Can we now shut up about Joe Flacco's contract?

[ellicottraven]

Actually, there was for quite some time. It took most fans a good 3-4 years to realize that Oher was just bad. I count myself in that group as well.

The thing is, Flacco is actually good, and he's going to be here for a really long time. There's nothing wrong with criticism, but a lot of the time its unfounded and flat out incorrect.

I agree with the Oher sentiment. I was another one that thought for a very long time that he would turn out to be a star, but to no avail. With Flacco, however, I do believe he has some things to correct and change, but never his winning ways and the quality of quarterback he really is...

[1/28/01]

Well, there's a big difference between a mediocre player like Oher who rarely plays well to a guy like Flacco, who generally plays well.

Sometimes people do go overboard defending him.....the key word there is "defending" him. From the start Bulger threads. The start Tyrod threads. The "he isn't a leader" threads, or the "deer in headlight" comments, or the "pick up the pom-pom comments"...need I go on?

I agree with most of this. The "generally plays well" part for some reason just jumped out at me. Generally would mean often. Often would constitute consistency. That's my problem with Flacco. And I don't care about outside factors. Every quarterback deals with them. Just give me some consistency and I am good to go!

[gabefergy]

I agree with most of this. The "generally plays well" part for some reason just jumped out at me. Generally would mean often. Often would constitute consistency. That's my problem with Flacco. And I don't care about outside factors. Every quarterback deals with them. Just give me some consistency and I am good to go!

Consistentcy has been Flacco's biggest issue. He has a string of good games and then an awful one. This has happened throughout most of his career.

I don't think it's wrong to say that Flacco has generally been a good QB.

Generally =/= consistently.

[redrum52]

I agree with most of this. The "generally plays well" part for some reason just jumped out at me. Generally would mean often. Often would constitute consistency. That's my problem with Flacco. And I don't care about outside factors. Every quarterback deals with them. Just give me some consistency and I am good to go!

Quoted for truth.

[1/28/01]

Consistentcy has been Flacco's biggest issue. He has a string of good games and then an awful one. This has happened throughout most of his career.

I don't think it's wrong to say that Flacco has generally been a good QB.

Generally =/= consistently.

I get that they are not 100% interchangeable. I just want more consistency. 1 great game, 2 average games and then 1 horrid game are no longer acceptable from a 7 year QB. Down games? Sure. Horrid and utterly appalling? Heck no!

[gabefergy]

I get that they are not 100% interchangeable. I just want more consistency. 1 great game, 2 average games and then 1 horrid game are no longer acceptable from a 7 year QB. Down games? Sure. Horrid and utterly appalling? Heck no!

I agree, and I am optimistic that Kubiak's system will make Flacco's job easier.

[5aiah]

Consistentcy has been Flacco's biggest issue. He has a string of good games and then an awful one. This has happened throughout most of his career.

I don't think it's wrong to say that Flacco has generally been a good QB.

Generally =/= consistently.

You're right, generally he has been a good QB overall. But he hasn't been consistent, like you admitted, and it's not just because he went up against a good team all of a sudden. He's the type to beat the steelers and then suffer accuracy problems vs the raiders. This year I hope consistency isn't a problem.

 

 

I agree with most of this. The "generally plays well" part for some reason just jumped out at me. Generally would mean often. Often would constitute consistency. That's my problem with Flacco. And I don't care about outside factors. Every quarterback deals with them. Just give me some consistency and I am good to go!

I kinda disagree with the "going overboard defending flacco" part because you see even now its people attacking other QBs like Brady,Dalton,Peyton,etc., and then getting upset when others trash Flacco and bring up legitimate points. It's not "the world picks on Joe" situation people would like to believe. People are forced to stick to going overboard after they make statements like Flacco is better than Brady.

[1/28/01]

I agree, and I am optimistic that Kubiak's system will make Flacco's job easier.

I am hopeful as well.

[1/28/01]

I feel like taking thumb tacks to my eyes before entering a Flacco thread on most days. Today, I guess I was bored.

[5aiah]

I feel like taking thumb tacks to my eyes before entering a Flacco thread on most days. Today, I guess I was bored.

I find that they are a good indicator of where the fan base is at on this board. The threads are always hilarious to me.

[The Mom Gene]

I get that they are not 100% interchangeable. I just want more consistency. 1 great game, 2 average games and then 1 horrid game are no longer acceptable from a 7 year QB. Down games? Sure. Horrid and utterly appalling? Heck no!

Give him a decent O-Line and a running game... and he'll be fine...  throw in a couple of good WR and a reliable TE...  I think we might be on our way...

[flynismo]

I agree with most of this. The "generally plays well" part for some reason just jumped out at me. Generally would mean often. Often would constitute consistency. That's my problem with Flacco. And I don't care about outside factors. Every quarterback deals with them. Just give me some consistency and I am good to go!

Well, he does play well far more often than not, but when the guy screws up, he does so in grand fashion, and it's hard for a lot of people to forgive his mistakes when they are so avoidable. We all realize that QBs are going to throw INTs, make a few bad throws, etc., but when this guy makes you go "HOLY ----" for both good and bad reasons in the same game nearly every week, we either want from him 1: more consistency or 2: more good plays to compensate for the bad ones. He generally provides us with #2.

He can give us #1 in addition to that when the outside factors improve.

[flynismo]

You're right, generally he has been a good QB overall. But he hasn't been consistent, like you admitted, and it's not just because he went up against a good team all of a sudden. He's the type to beat the steelers and then suffer accuracy problems vs the raiders. This year I hope consistency isn't a problem.

 

 

I kinda disagree with the "going overboard defending flacco" part because you see even now its people attacking other QBs like Brady,Dalton,Peyton,etc., and then getting upset when others trash Flacco and bring up legitimate points. It's not "the world picks on Joe" situation people would like to believe. People are forced to stick to going overboard after they make statements like Flacco is better than Brady.

 

Yeah, I can't co-sign that one....is Brady overrated? Hell yes. Would Flacco put up the same numbers with that OL and Randy Moss and Welker in their primes? Probably.

 

Is Flacco better than Brady in a vacuum? At his best, yeah, I'd say so. But that's the problem with Flacco so far. We don't always get his best from him. With Brady, you know what you're getting every week. He preys on weak and average defenses, usually struggles against top defenses...with Flacco, like you said, he rip the Steelers a new one one week, and then look like poo against the Raiders. It's maddening. But....it's also gotten us pretty dang far, so I've learned to shut up, stop whining and enjoy the consistent success we never had before he got here.

[5aiah]

Yeah, I can't co-sign that one....is Brady overrated? Hell yes. Would Flacco put up the same numbers with that OL and Randy Moss and Welker in their primes? Probably.

 

Is Flacco better than Brady in a vacuum? At his best, yeah, I'd say so. But that's the problem with Flacco so far. We don't always get his best from him. With Brady, you know what you're getting every week. He preys on weak and average defenses, usually struggles against top defenses...with Flacco, like you said, he rip the Steelers a new one one week, and then look like poo against the Raiders. It's maddening. But....it's also gotten us pretty dang far, so I've learned to shut up, stop whining and enjoy the consistent success we never had before he got here.

They're different QBs who play in different systems their entire career. Is Flacco better in the Air Coryell system that takes advantage of his unique throwing power and meshes his great play action ability with a great run game, sure I'd give him the nod over Brady in that situation and any other like it. In systems and offenses requiring precision/touch passing,complex reads,outstanding vision, consistency, and pre-snap genius, Brady,Arod,Manning,and Brees are all on a different level that Flacco has yet to reach or even give glimpses of reaching on a consistent basis. You speak of number but I'm talking real QB skills and responsibility, Andrew Luck would even be a better pick outside of the Ravens scheme.

 

Brady does well against good defenses as well, you're hilariously downplaying him, and people like you wonder why Flacco gets absolutely no respect. Flacco is the best Ravens scheme QB we've ever had, I knew he would be from the start so I never ever whine when others do because i don't expect him to be Arod. I enjoy having a good QB consistently for once, more than I care about a good QB's consistency. 

[The Mom Gene]

Yeah, I can't co-sign that one....is Brady overrated? Hell yes. Would Flacco put up the same numbers with that OL and Randy Moss and Welker in their primes? Probably.

 

Is Flacco better than Brady in a vacuum? At his best, yeah, I'd say so. But that's the problem with Flacco so far. We don't always get his best from him. With Brady, you know what you're getting every week. He preys on weak and average defenses, usually struggles against top defenses...with Flacco, like you said, he rip the Steelers a new one one week, and then look like poo against the Raiders. It's maddening. But....it's also gotten us pretty dang far, so I've learned to shut up, stop whining and enjoy the consistent success we never had before he got here.

As someone said earlier...  Joe CLUTCH....

[Ravenseconbeast]

Yeah, I can't co-sign that one....is Brady overrated? Hell yes. Would Flacco put up the same numbers with that OL and Randy Moss and Welker in their primes? Probably.

Is Flacco better than Brady in a vacuum? At his best, yeah, I'd say so. But that's the problem with Flacco so far. We don't always get his best from him. With Brady, you know what you're getting every week. He preys on weak and average defenses, usually struggles against top defenses...with Flacco, like you said, he rip the Steelers a new one one week, and then look like poo against the Raiders. It's maddening. But....it's also gotten us pretty dang far, so I've learned to shut up, stop whining and enjoy the consistent success we never had before he got here.

To sum it up, Joe is inconsistent. Even during the past 2weeks @camp, its been the same thing. Beautiful passes, then completely dumbfounded throws.

[5aiah]

To sum it up, Joe is inconsistent. Even during the past 2weeks @camp, its been the same thing. Beautiful passes, then completely dumbfounded throws.

Yep, that's just Joe, take the good with the bad. It ends up not mattering too much in our offense but in other ones it would be debilitating. We got who we need, end of story. 

[Wisdom]

To sum it up, Joe is inconsistent. Even during the past 2weeks @camp, its been the same thing. Beautiful passes, then completely dumbfounded throws.

 

I couldn’t agree with you more!

[flynismo]

They're different QBs who play in different systems their entire career. Is Flacco better in the Air Coryell system that takes advantage of his unique throwing power and meshes his great play action ability with a great run game, sure I'd give him the nod over Brady in that situation and any other like it. In systems and offenses requiring precision/touch passing,complex reads,outstanding vision, consistency, and pre-snap genius, Brady,Arod,Manning,and Brees are all on a different level that Flacco has yet to reach or even give glimpses of reaching on a consistent basis. You speak of number but I'm talking real QB skills and responsibility, Andrew Luck would even be a better pick outside of the Ravens scheme.

 

Brady does well against good defenses as well, you're hilariously downplaying him, and people like you wonder why Flacco gets absolutely no respect. Flacco is the best Ravens scheme QB we've ever had, I knew he would be from the start so I never ever whine when others do because i don't expect him to be Arod. I enjoy having a good QB consistently for once, more than I care about a good QB's consistency. 

 

I guess you missed the part about "in a vacuum"? I could give a crap about stats.

 

You say I'm hilariously downplaying Brady? Well, no kidding Sherlock. That's what it means when I say he is overrated.

 

And for the record, "people like me" could care less whether he gets no respect or not, at least from the non-Ravens world. I just can't stand whiny, ungrateful people. That's how many of these anti-Flacco people who claim to be Ravens fans come off.

 

But I do whole-heartedly agree with your last sentence. Let's be real, only a complete idiot would not believe Flacco is a franchise QB to build your team around. At the end of the day, that's what matters. We can nitpick him or anyone else we want to death, nobody is above improvement. But why can people not just appreciate the guy for what he is, rather than think the grass is greener elsewhere??

[flynismo]

To sum it up, Joe is inconsistent. Even during the past 2weeks @camp, its been the same thing. Beautiful passes, then completely dumbfounded throws.

 

Well, no surprises there, eh? lol

[Tank 92]

Why not? I thought we were fans of this team? And given the fact where we were before he got here and where he has taken us since, it's ridiculous the amount of criticism he gets. Stupid and incessant criticism of one of our guys = him being defended by the fans that support him and the team. Doesn't sound complicated to me.

You wouldn't think it would be that hard to understand that some like and defend the QB of their SB winning, consistently successful franchise.

I really think some are more interested in stats and press than results.

[Wisdom]

Give him a decent O-Line and a running game... and he'll be fine...  throw in a couple of good WR and a reliable TE...  I think we might be on our way...

 

Hilarious!  Give, give, give and what’s Flacco giving us in return for such generosity?  How about some consistency….. Hmm, if we can get that from him, we may very well be on to something.   I’m hopeful!         

[5aiah]

I guess you missed the part about "in a vacuum"? I could give a crap about stats.

 

You say I'm hilariously downplaying Brady? Well, no kidding Sherlock. That's what it means when I say he is overrated.

You mentioned numbers and I answered the vacuum part. It depends on the scheme, in a true vacuum Rodgers, Brady and the other elite are a level above Flacco. That's if by vacuum you mean truly outside any scheme. Flacco's inconsistency between throws wouldn't fly in a Patriot offense.

 

My point was that you were downplaying his performance against good defenses while others downplay Flacco's performances as flukes. You're all the same to me, opinion not backed by anything else.

[flynismo]

Hilarious!  Give, give, give and what’s Flacco giving us in return for such generosity?  How about some consistency….. Hmm, if we can get that from him, we may very well be on to something.   I’m hopeful!         

Well, you are crossed off my list of intelligent responses of the day. Good job!

[redrum52]

Here we go. I'd like to state this wasn't my goal.

[flynismo]

You mentioned numbers and I answered the vacuum part. It depends on the scheme, in a true vacuum Rodgers, Brady and the other elite are a level above Flacco. That's if by vacuum you mean truly outside any scheme. Flacco's inconsistency between throws wouldn't fly in a Patriot offense.

 

My point was that you were downplaying his performance against good defenses while others downplay Flacco's performances as flukes. You're all the same to me, opinion not backed by anything else.

 

 

haha, the irony....

[flynismo]

Here we go. I'd like to state this wasn't my goal.

For what it's worth, I know that. I don't lump you in the same category as I do certain other posters, like the one whose name rhymes with Shwizard

[5aiah]

haha, the irony....

Those guys have proven their elite time and time again, they've backed it up over and over. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

Here we go. I'd like to state this wasn't my goal.

Mine either. For pretty much the whole offseason, I was optimistic about our offense. Then topics like this starts popping up few days b4 football starts and it sucks off the fun out reading through these forums.

[flynismo]

Those guys have proven their elite time and time again, they've backed it up over and over. 

 

 

That's cute and all, but your previous statement is backed up by nothing but your opinion. That is a fact.

Hence, the irony of your comment.