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Browns fan urinates on Art Modell's Grave

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There is an article in the Baltimore Sun too.....  Here's to hoping that they find that guy and prosecute him...  for vandalism, destruction of property, and urinating in public.......

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Absolutely despicable. First and foremost Art was a human being, and a father. Any disdain that Browns fans have for the man come in second place to those very basic facts. Disrespect to the dead is extremely disgusting, and being drunk is certainly no excuse. Furthermore, Browns fans who still have such a level of hate for the man need to reevaluate their lives. Their team has been back for over a decade, get over it. 

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Comment deleted because Moderator 3 is correct, not all Cleveland fans act like this.

 

I doubt they will ever find out who he was.. :(

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Cleveland Browns fans = Classless

Let's not paint them all with the same brush. Also, please remember these are "no smack" forums.

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I just find it annoying that some idiot thought he was making a "statement" by doing it.

 

Birds crap on the graves of Browns fans every day and it equally doesn't matter.

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I have a very good friend who is a Browns fan and his handle is Browns Fan here, and he would never do that . this goes beyond football. For those not local, WBAL did a piece on this and Baltimore County Police are looking for the guy and the cemetery will press charges.

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Absolutely despicable. First and foremost Art was a human being, and a father. Any disdain that Browns fans have for the man come in second place to those very basic facts. Disrespect to the dead is extremely disgusting, and being drunk is certainly no excuse. Furthermore, Browns fans who still have such a level of hate for the man need to reevaluate their lives. Their team has been back for over a decade, get over it. 

 

Not defending the action in any way, but I think the bold is overstated here. We compare their pain to our pain and say if we got over it so should they. I don't think that's fair. I used to live in Chicago and befriended some Ohio transplants and when they explained it to me, honestly the hurt doesn't compare at all. Not because of what happened, which was essentially the same, but because of the aftermath. We lost our team, were devastated, got a team back many years later, and have since achieved glory in some of the most improbable ways ever. Browns fans lost their team, which had a head coach by the name of Bill Belichick and a by the name of Ozzie Newsome (Hometown hero blah blah blah). The team moved, Belichick was fired, Newsome stayed on. I don't think I need to get into what ended up happening with those two guys.

 

Again, none of this is to say desecrating a Modell's resting place is justified, but while Modell is a harbinger of providence for us, he is the single greatest factor in this history of Cleveland sports misery(especially now that Lebron has returned). I understand the rancor, but it's sad they lack the class to hand it more constructively. If you believe in karma...maybe this has something to do with it.

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He should be locked up, throw away the key. We don't need a guy like him running around in this society. Also I hate guys like this who take sports way too seriously. Hopefully he is able to get a life in jail.

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This is not gonna blow over easily here in Baltimore btw dude had #20 Reed Jersey on over top his Browns Jersey. He put us in it by wearing that......

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Absolutely despicable. First and foremost Art was a human being, and a father. Any disdain that Browns fans have for the man come in second place to those very basic facts. Disrespect to the dead is extremely disgusting, and being drunk is certainly no excuse. Furthermore, Browns fans who still have such a level of hate for the man need to reevaluate their lives. Their team has been back for over a decade, get over it. 

This.

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Not defending the action in any way, but I think the bold is overstated here. We compare their pain to our pain and say if we got over it so should they. I don't think that's fair. I used to live in Chicago and befriended some Ohio transplants and when they explained it to me, honestly the hurt doesn't compare at all. Not because of what happened, which was essentially the same, but because of the aftermath. We lost our team, were devastated, got a team back many years later, and have since achieved glory in some of the most improbable ways ever. Browns fans lost their team, which had a head coach by the name of Bill Belichick and a by the name of Ozzie Newsome (Hometown hero blah blah blah). The team moved, Belichick was fired, Newsome stayed on. I don't think I need to get into what ended up happening with those two guys.

 

Again, none of this is to say desecrating a Modell's resting place is justified, but while Modell is a harbinger of providence for us, he is the single greatest factor in this history of Cleveland sports misery(especially now that Lebron has returned). I understand the rancor, but it's sad they lack the class to hand it more constructively. If you believe in karma...maybe this has something to do with it.

 

 

I have to say that the two moves really were completely different. The Colts went to Indy and took the team's name and all of memorabilia and history. And it took 12 years for the NFL to return to Bmore, no thanks to the NFL, but to Mr. Modell.

 

The Browns left Cleveland in '96 and the name, history and memorabilia remained with the city.  It was most apparent that they would get a team and it happened only two years after the Browns departure. This was a minor inconvenience compared to what Baltimore endured. 

 

Agreed that an established organization came here and the new Browns were an expansion team.  But what kind of success were the Browns achieving at the time they left? Seems the move spurred a resurrection of the franchise that may not have occurred had they remained next to Lake Erie.

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Not defending the action in any way, but I think the bold is overstated here. We compare their pain to our pain and say if we got over it so should they. I don't think that's fair. I used to live in Chicago and befriended some Ohio transplants and when they explained it to me, honestly the hurt doesn't compare at all. Not because of what happened, which was essentially the same, but because of the aftermath. We lost our team, were devastated, got a team back many years later, and have since achieved glory in some of the most improbable ways ever. 

 

I definitely agree with you. Hard for me to fully understand the true feeling of losing either team, being 23 and from Canada lol. Difficult to relate to losing the team and waiting for it to come back. 

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The only thing that I would say beasy2487 is... We left them their name, their logo's, and their history...  In our situation, EVERYTHING was snatched from Baltimore...  even the secretary's desk with her personal belongings in it....  Not only that, but in case you haven't been there....  Johnny U, and the rest of the boys are displayed in the Pro Football Hall of fame with the Indianapolis Colts... HUGE difference...

 

I have watched the 1995 Cleveland Browns on NFL Network's - A Football Life... yeah, I felt for them.

Maybe some should watch ESPN's - 30 for 30 - The Band that Wouldn't Die.... 

 

They knew in advance that the Browns were leaving Cleveland...  It was denied To Baltimore right up and until the Mayflower Moving Vans pulled out of Owings Mills.

 

It not only took us YEARS, but MILLIONS of dollars to get a team....  and we couldn't keep our wonderful Colts name or Logo, or history.

 

HUGE Difference....  I grew up with MY Colts

 

I love my Ravens with all my heart and soul...  But NOW I will never waiver from the Purple and Black....  EVER!

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The only thing that I would say beasy2487 is... We left them their name, their logo's, and their history...  In our situation, EVERYTHING was snatched from Baltimore...  even the secretary's desk with her personal belongings in it....  Not only that, but in case you haven't been there....  Johnny U, and the rest of the boys are displayed in the Pro Football Hall of fame with the Indianapolis Colts... HUGE difference...

 

I have watched the 1995 Cleveland Browns on NFL Network's - A Football Life... yeah, I felt for them.

Maybe some should watch ESPN's - 30 for 30 - The Band that Wouldn't Die.... 

 

They knew in advance that the Browns were leaving Cleveland...  It was denied To Baltimore right up and until the Mayflower Moving Vans pulled out of Owings Mills.

 

It not only took us YEARS, but MILLIONS of dollars to get a team....  and we couldn't keep our wonderful Colts name or Logo, or history.

 

HUGE Difference....  I grew up with MY Colts

 

I love my Ravens with all my heart and soul...  But NOW I will never waiver from the Purple and Black....  EVER!

Agreed. No I don't think he browns move is in the same level as the colts quickly getting out of town.

IMO its on the same plane as the cardinals moving from chi to at.louis to Phoenix, oiler moving to tenn, raiders and rams moving.

Simply because in all accounts it was ownership fighting for a new stadium and was in a situation where they were losing money in their current environment.

Almost immediately upon the move the nfl announced Cleveland browns would be back, same thing happens with the city of Houston iirc. So no I don't feel sorry for them, don't think it is the same thing and yes I'd like to say get over it.

Ftr my father in law is Cleveland born and raised. Big browns fans and is over it. Jokes about he 2000 Lombardi being shared but hats as far as it goes, just jokes.

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That's just classless.I don't care what you think about what decisions someone makes about a football team,that's just something no one should ever do.That's someones deceased father and grandfathers grave you're doing that on.I can't even imagine what thoughts must've went through the families head finding out that some idiot urinated on their loved ones grave.Forget jail time,I'd want to seriously hurt the person if that was my father,uncle or any relative of mine.I'm having a hard time not cursing in this post just thinking about it.

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That's just classless.I don't care what you think about what decisions someone makes about a football team,that's just something no one should ever do.That's someones deceased father and grandfathers grave you're doing that on.I can't even imagine what thoughts must've went through the families head finding out that some idiot urinated on their loved ones grave.Forget jail time,I'd want to seriously hurt the person if that was my father,uncle or any relative of mine.I'm having a hard time not cursing in this post just thinking about it.

Good Job HomeoftheBRAVENS....  Glad for the effort and the restraint!..  :)

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I have to say that the two moves really were completely different. The Colts went to Indy and took the team's name and all of memorabilia and history. And it took 12 years for the NFL to return to Bmore, no thanks to the NFL, but to Mr. Modell.

 

The Browns left Cleveland in '96 and the name, history and memorabilia remained with the city.  It was most apparent that they would get a team and it happened only two years after the Browns departure. This was a minor inconvenience compared to what Baltimore endured. 

 

Agreed that an established organization came here and the new Browns were an expansion team.  But what kind of success were the Browns achieving at the time they left? Seems the move spurred a resurrection of the franchise that may not have occurred had they remained next to Lake Erie.

 

Will use this as a response to all that responded to me...Yes what happened to our team was bad and football meant so much to Baltimore too, but it still doesn't compare to what football meant/means to Cleveland. Football was created in Canton, Ohio. Half of the plays in the book were invented by the Browns' namesake (Paul Brown), including the the most common play run even today (the draw). So yes, the way they handled and are continuing to handle it is utter lunacy but the hurt just isn't the same. It's like being in a struggling family and your dad decides to leave your Mom, marry someone else, and proceeds to have an amazing future with his new family. To stick with that analogy, losing the Colts was like losing our best friend, losing the Browns was like losing their father. It would be like taking soccer away from Brazil.

 

Net, their fans are clowns and frankly deserve the mediocrity they're seeing today, but I do understand why the fury still burns hot.

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Will use this as a response to all that responded to me...Yes what happened to our team was bad and football meant so much to Baltimore too, but it still doesn't compare to what football meant/means to Cleveland. Football was created in Canton, Ohio. Half of the plays in the book were invented by the Browns' namesake (Paul Brown), including the the most common play run even today (the draw). So yes, the way they handled and are continuing to handle it is utter lunacy but the hurt just isn't the same. It's like being in a struggling family and your dad decides to leave your Mom, marry someone else, and proceeds to have an amazing future with his new family. To stick with that analogy, losing the Colts was like losing our best friend, losing the Browns was like losing their father. It would be like taking soccer away from Brazil.

 

Net, their fans are clowns and frankly deserve the mediocrity they're seeing today, but I do understand why the fury still burns hot.

 

 

Can't say that I agree with the father/best friend comparison and analogy, but I do see your point concerning them seeing their former team having success while they continue to flounder. But do consider that Baltimore waited 12 years for a team, not 2.  And not only were long time Colts fans distraught, a whole generation of youngsters were denied the pleasures of rooting for their home team while growing up.

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Not defending the action in any way, but I think the bold is overstated here. We compare their pain to our pain and say if we got over it so should they. I don't think that's fair. I used to live in Chicago and befriended some Ohio transplants and when they explained it to me, honestly the hurt doesn't compare at all. Not because of what happened, which was essentially the same, but because of the aftermath. We lost our team, were devastated, got a team back many years later, and have since achieved glory in some of the most improbable ways ever. Browns fans lost their team, which had a head coach by the name of Bill Belichick and a by the name of Ozzie Newsome (Hometown hero blah blah blah). The team moved, Belichick was fired, Newsome stayed on. I don't think I need to get into what ended up happening with those two guys.

Again, none of this is to say desecrating a Modell's resting place is justified, but while Modell is a harbinger of providence for us, he is the single greatest factor in this history of Cleveland sports misery(especially now that Lebron has returned). I understand the rancor, but it's sad they lack the class to hand it more constructively. If you believe in karma...maybe this has something to do with it.

It was a business decision he felt like he had to make. I don't regret it, I'm sure they do but that is no reason to go disrespect Art (or anyone) the way he did.

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So despicable... obviously one Browns "fan" doesn't represent the whole fanbase, but the general hate and ill-will towards Art really needs to end.

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