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Predict the Week One Roster - Merged

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With the first game of the seasons 59 days away and training camp around the corner, it might be fun to make some early predictions on who will and should start for the Ravens.

QB: Joe Flacco

RB: Bernard Pierce

FB: Juice

TE: Dennis Pitta

WR: Torrey Smith

WR: Steve Smith

WR: Jacoby Jones

It's hard to leave Marlon Brown out of the starting lineup after a strong rookie showing, but he's best in the slot, the position Steve Smith will line up in. Jones also signed a fairly big contract, and that won't be just to return kicks.

LT: Eugene Monroe

LG: Kelechi Osemele

C: Jeremy Zuttah

RG: Marshall Yanda

RT: Ricky Wagner

The offensive line looks very much improved if they can get their chemistry down. Zuttah will be a huge upgrade and having a healthy guard duo is major. Wagner is a bit of a question mark, but he's a known run blocker and it's likely the Ravens have Yanda combo block with Wagner or slide a tight end to his side if he truly does struggle

DE: Chris Canty

NT: Haloti Ngata

DE: Kapron Lewis-Moore

KLM is a bit of an unknown, but reports are great from mini camp and he's likely a second or third rounder if not for the injury. The talent is there if he's healthy. He's stout against the run and can provide some push in the passing game. The only competition would be Tyson, but I think he'll be a versatile rotation player. Only other scenario I could see is Brandon Williams starting at the nose tackle spot and Ngata moving to DE.

OLB: Terrell Suggs

ILB: CJ Mosley

ILB: Daryl Smith

OLB: Courtney Upshaw

Upshaw over Dumervil will surprise some people, but Upshaw is much better against the run and it keeps Doom fresh. Mosley and Smith is going to be one heck of an athletic duo.

CB: Jimmy Smith

CB: Lardarius Webb

CB: Aaron Ross

FS: Darian Stewart

SS: Matt Elam

Brooks appears to be just learning the defense for now and not really in a position to start right out of the gates. It'll be no surprise if he takes over later, but not right now. I think Ross wins the third corner spot due to his experience with Spags and his experience overall

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i dont think we see ngata at NT, its a strange situation with him because we know what hes capable of, but its tough to find a position for him because he just never seems to live up to his potential at any position, one day we say move him back to NT because he cant rush the passer well enough, the next day we say put him at DE so he doesnt get injured again lol. 

 

but i personally think if we see upshaw on the field, then we will see brandon wiliams and maybe jernigan, because they seem like more stout option against the run than KLM and canty

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I'm still wondering when the heck is John Simon going to show up and carve a role in the defense? I Never hear anything about the guy during OTA's, it's like he's a ghost? Guess we'll wait and see in training camp and pre season.....

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I'm still wondering when the heck is John Simon going to show up and carve a role in the defense? I Never hear anything about the guy during OTA's, it's like he's a ghost? Guess we'll wait and see in training camp and pre season.....

Simon has too many bodies in front of him. His mark will be on STs, baring injury of course. He's got Suggs, Doom, McPhee, and Upshaw in front of him. Not surprising that we don't hear about him. Maybe next year if McPhee walks.

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I could pretty easily see Simon being a stud on special teams for us. I see that being his big impact this year which is good since special teams is always important. Maybe he gets some playing time as well this year subbing out for Suggs to keep him fresh.

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Simon has too many bodies in front of him. His mark will be on STs, baring injury of course. He's got Suggs, Doom, McPhee, and Upshaw in front of him. Not surprising that we don't hear about him. Maybe next year if McPhee walks.

He looked good at Ohio, has a motor. Thought he'd be making some sparks!
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I could pretty easily see Simon being a stud on special teams for us. I see that being his big impact this year which is good since special teams is always important. Maybe he gets some playing time as well this year subbing out for Suggs to keep him fresh.

6-2 262 I think, with a 4.62 40.... Hope he gets his chance to shine soon...
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Agree with the opening day lineup for the most part. My changes would be as follows:

 

Offense

Instead of 3 WRs, I think you see 2 WR & 2 TE more often. I think Torrey + S. Smith + Pitta + Daniels > Torrey + S. Smith + Jones/Brown + Pitta. This is really semantics though.

 

Defense

I think the front 4 D lineman are going to rotate often, but in my opinion the "starters" will likely be:

DE - Canty

NT - Ngata

DT - WIlliams

DE/OLB - Suggs

 

I put Suggs in there because he really is a DE in our hybrid scheme. I think KLM, Tyson and Urban will rotate at Canty's spot; possibly also being in at DT during passing downs. NT/DT positions will be a rotation of Jernigan, Ngata, Williams, and possibly Cody (if he does not get cut). McPhee and Suggs will be the rotation at DE/RUSH LB.

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I personally see it as the following:

Flacco, T. Smith, S. Smith, M. Brown/Jones, Pitta, Daniels, Juszczyk. Rice/Pierce. First of all, I think we're going to try to incorporate more 2 TE sets but I think we're going to fail to do it due to poor performance from Daniels. I see Juszczyk replacing him midway through the season. I see Brown and Jones splitting that #3 job depending on what we want from the #3 at that time. At the end of the season I expect WR and TE to still be an issue, leading us to pave a high priority on fixing it next off-season.

OL is pretty simple and seems unanimous. Monroe, KO, Zuttah, Yanda, Wagner.

As for defense, I think our starting DL will be Ngata, Williams, Canty with heavy substitutions. I think by the end of the year Tyson will be pushing to start. On pass rushers, Suggs will start and we'll likely see Dumervil in 3-4 packages with McPhee in 4-3 packages.

I expect our LB to consist of Smith, Brown and Mosley all starting and being used to support the run and our efforts to stop it. I think all three could start on certain formations.

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I personally see it as the following:

Flacco, T. Smith, S. Smith, M. Brown/Jones, Pitta, Daniels, Juszczyk. Rice/Pierce. First of all, I think we're going to try to incorporate more 2 TE sets but I think we're going to fail to do it due to poor performance from Daniels. I see Juszczyk replacing him midway through the season. I see Brown and Jones splitting that #3 job depending on what we want from the #3 at that time. At the end of the season I expect WR and TE to still be an issue, leading us to pave a high priority on fixing it next off-season.

OL is pretty simple and seems unanimous. Monroe, KO, Zuttah, Yanda, Wagner.

As for defense, I think our starting DL will be Ngata, Williams, Canty with heavy substitutions. I think by the end of the year Tyson will be pushing to start. On pass rushers, Suggs will start and we'll likely see Dumervil in 3-4 packages with McPhee in 4-3 packages.

I expect our LB to consist of Smith, Brown and Mosley all starting and being used to support the run and our efforts to stop it. I think all three could start on certain formations.

 

Interested in hearing why you feel O.D will have a poor season. I realize that all things won't go smoothly this season, but why O.D.?

 

Also I don't see TE being a issue next season unless you feel Pitta isn't the answer as well. Yes Kubes loves the 2TE offense but not to the point were a major emphasis is placed on having a strong #2. Actually as it stands right now if both Pitta and O.D perform well we'll have an luxury of talent at the TE position. I think the future combo of Pitta, Gilmore and Juice will be more then enough at the TE/HB positions for us.  

 

As for WR, again I'm not naïve to think that every move made will work out for the best, but I think anyone expecting a top draft pick at WR or a quality WR in FA next year will be upset with Ozzie yet again. I think both Smith and Brown will just continue to get better and a I think Smitty has a strong 2 years left. If guys like Bulter and Camp show promise and develop well. I could easily see Torrey, Brown, Camp, Bulter and maybe a 2-3rd round pick moving forward but no major additions to the WR position.

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Interested in hearing why you feel O.D will have a poor season. I realize that all things won't go smoothly this season, but why O.D.?

Also I don't see TE being a issue next season unless you feel Pitta isn't the answer as well. Yes Kubes loves the 2TE offense but not to the point were a major emphasis is placed on having a strong #2. Actually as it stands right now if both Pitta and O.D perform well we'll have an luxury of talent at the TE position. I think the future combo of Pitta, Gilmore and Juice will be more then enough at the TE/HB positions for us.

As for WR, again I'm not naïve to think that every move made will work out for the best, but I think anyone expecting a top draft pick at WR or a quality WR in FA next year will be upset with Ozzie yet again. I think both Smith and Brown will just continue to get better and a I think Smitty has a strong 2 years left. If guys like Bulter and Camp show promise and develop well. I could easily see Torrey, Brown, Camp, Bulter and maybe a 2-3rd round pick moving forward but no major additions to the WR position.

Dang, I forgot about Gilmore. Thanks for reminding me! I think he could very well have a prominent role if Daniels struggles as I feel he may.

I feel like Daniels will struggle fur to a few reasons. I don't think he's been exceptional these past couple years and he's not a great blocker. Combine that with the fact that he's getting older and I recently read an article where it stated that TE seem to decline at his age and I feel that he could be that guy we feel will do well and just doesn't. It's just a hunch and it's not supported by much facts other than what I've supplied. It just seems like every year we have "that guy" and he sets up well to be "that guy" this year.

No Pitta is the answer but I'm not sure how long he'll be the answer but he's definitely the answer through this deal. I think we could need someone to replace him and be a dual threat and I think we may be able to find that next year.

As for WR, I just think Brown sets up well for the sophomore slump. He is a guy who had low expectations and exceeded then last year. I think he'll have higher expectations and is at risk for not being ready for the next step. Not a slight on him or his talent at all but more of a hunch once again that statistically speaking players can easily not repeat surprising performances. I do think he'll put it together in his third year but I just think he struggles this year. And Steve Smith has a few more years, like two I agree, but you need someone groomed behind him. Not sure we have that at the moment.

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Dang, I forgot about Gilmore. Thanks for reminding me! I think he could very well have a prominent role if Daniels struggles as I feel he may.

I feel like Daniels will struggle fur to a few reasons. I don't think he's been exceptional these past couple years and he's not a great blocker. Combine that with the fact that he's getting older and I recently read an article where it stated that TE seem to decline at his age and I feel that he could be that guy we feel will do well and just doesn't. It's just a hunch and it's not supported by much facts other than what I've supplied. It just seems like every year we have "that guy" and he sets up well to be "that guy" this year.

No Pitta is the answer but I'm not sure how long he'll be the answer but he's definitely the answer through this deal. I think we could need someone to replace him and be a dual threat and I think we may be able to find that next year.

As for WR, I just think Brown sets up well for the sophomore slump. He is a guy who had low expectations and exceeded then last year. I think he'll have higher expectations and is at risk for not being ready for the next step. Not a slight on him or his talent at all but more of a hunch once again that statistically speaking players can easily not repeat surprising performances. I do think he'll put it together in his third year but I just think he struggles this year. And Steve Smith has a few more years, like two I agree, but you need someone groomed behind him. Not sure we have that at the moment.

 

Yea I definitely agree you are just going off a hunch lol. Imo Daniels has been really good over the last 2 1/2 year, obviously last year he didn't finish the season. But over this span one could argue that O.D was really right in the middle of his prime. During that span he has overall better numbers then Pitta and I don't think either of us would say Pitta hasn't had good seasons. Even last year before the injury he had 3 TDs in about 4 games and averaged about 4-5recs, so he was well on his way to having another strong season. What helps him even more is the fact that he's a #2TE now and won't be relied on as heavily as usual. I question his injury history, but again him being a #2 TE should help. Also I've always found O.D to be a much better blocker(in this system) then given credit for. But we'll see. Also I think the age thing isn't as relevant as years past. The passing game is so protected now that guys aren't getting banged up nearly as much as they used to, but I do worry about his injury history.

 

I get what you are saying about Brown but I think sometimes we can over think things a bit. Yes much wasn't expected of him last season initially, but once he cracked that starting line up I'd say much was expected of him simply because we had no one else to help Torrey and Brown did really well for himself. Much of my optimism steams from the system we now have and the greatness I feel Flacco will have in it with his weapons. So when I look at Brown, I don't see him regressing this year, I just don't see his opportunities being as great this year. However you touched on the fact that you feel he'll continue to develop and be good the following season(2015) and that's exactly when I see him starting to take over for Smitty. Again based on this system, I see Marlon Brown as a more shifty and explosive Kevin Walter. You can move him inside or out and he'll be a great compliment to Torrey. Again just from a system comparison and how me might be used, if you go back to the mid 90's he's a Ed McCaffrey clone imo. He's that tall lanky physical guy that will do a lot of the dirty work(blocking, clear out routes etc) and be rewarded with redzone targets. His YAC/RAC yards will be high because most defenses won't gameplan for him so he'll be working in space a lot. Again I'm not saying that's who he is or if Kubes even sees that from Brown, but if he does envision that from Brown I think he'll have tremendous success. Because of this I think Brown is the guy being groomed to step up when Smith leaves.

 

I just don't see any major additions added to WR because it's a high priced position and the Ravens are all about value. Now if they can land a Mason, Boldin, Smith type vet, then yes, but other then that, I see us continuing to add guys like Pitta, Gilmore, Juice, Camp, Brown, Bulter and other later round guys and maybe a 2-3rd round guy if they fall into our laps.

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I see being Ngata moved to DE and Brandon Williams take over at NT

 

I actually see the exact opposite. BW being used as the 3 with Ngata at the NT. BW was drafted to be a NT, but he's more then capable of playing the 3tech. I feel Ngata is better suited closer to the ball and the NT position is prefect for him at this stage of his career. Allow him the opportunity to control the LOS like a Vince Wilfork from that position because he's not as explosive and quick as he used to be. Too many injuries have slowed the big man. At this point I think you are just happy with an effective Ngata and accept the fact that the days of him being dominant may be over.  

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I will post my prediction first week of September.

I am pretty sure the list I have will be 100% correct.  Check back here to see for sure.

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Yea I definitely agree you are just going off a hunch lol. Imo Daniels has been really good over the last 2 1/2 year, obviously last year he didn't finish the season. But over this span one could argue that O.D was really right in the middle of his prime. During that span he has overall better numbers then Pitta and I don't think either of us would say Pitta hasn't had good seasons. Even last year before the injury he had 3 TDs in about 4 games and averaged about 4-5recs, so he was well on his way to having another strong season. What helps him even more is the fact that he's a #2TE now and won't be relied on as heavily as usual. I question his injury history, but again him being a #2 TE should help. Also I've always found O.D to be a much better blocker(in this system) then given credit for. But we'll see. Also I think the age thing isn't as relevant as years past. The passing game is so protected now that guys aren't getting banged up nearly as much as they used to, but I do worry about his injury history.

I get what you are saying about Brown but I think sometimes we can over think things a bit. Yes much wasn't expected of him last season initially, but once he cracked that starting line up I'd say much was expected of him simply because we had no one else to help Torrey and Brown did really well for himself. Much of my optimism steams from the system we now have and the greatness I feel Flacco will have in it with his weapons. So when I look at Brown, I don't see him regressing this year, I just don't see his opportunities being as great this year. However you touched on the fact that you feel he'll continue to develop and be good the following season(2015) and that's exactly when I see him starting to take over for Smitty. Again based on this system, I see Marlon Brown as a more shifty and explosive Kevin Walter. You can move him inside or out and he'll be a great compliment to Torrey. Again just from a system comparison and how me might be used, if you go back to the mid 90's he's a Ed McCaffrey clone imo. He's that tall lanky physical guy that will do a lot of the dirty work(blocking, clear out routes etc) and be rewarded with redzone targets. His YAC/RAC yards will be high because most defenses won't gameplan for him so he'll be working in space a lot. Again I'm not saying that's who he is or if Kubes even sees that from Brown, but if he does envision that from Brown I think he'll have tremendous success. Because of this I think Brown is the guy being groomed to step up when Smith leaves.

I just don't see any major additions added to WR because it's a high priced position and the Ravens are all about value. Now if they can land a Mason, Boldin, Smith type vet, then yes, but other then that, I see us continuing to add guys like Pitta, Gilmore, Juice, Camp, Brown, Bulter and other later round guys and maybe a 2-3rd round guy if they fall into our laps.

Allow me to preface by saying I like Daniels. I'm not knocking his talent at all. In fact, I think he's a great TE and I'd agree with you that he was viewed as a very good TE only three years back. Injuries and poor QB derailed his success and losing his head coach who helped make him successful didn't help. I'd also agree he's a better bicker than given credit but that's in the run game not pass protection, where he leaves much to be desired.

I think looking at Daniels you must wonder if he'll be an Elvis Dumervil or a Chris Canty. Now Chris Canty wasn't wasn't even bad but you could argue that guys like Tyson played as well as him. That's clearly an analogy to how I think this could go. Daniels could do great, average or he could even be a Stokley. The question is who is he now? He's surely got great potential from his past performance. I'd lie if I said I wasn't excited to see him play with Joe. It's just a gut feeling that he will end up disappointing us that's all. Nothing really more to it.

Yeah I definitely think he'll take over in 2015. I'd agree with the comparisons and even the complement to Torrey. I guess the question is whether Torrey can or is that true #1 dominant receiver who teams need to devote extra coverage to stop. I personally think he is and if not currently then can be. With that said, I try to remove my own bias when I try to guess (unless it's a hunch) when I judge stuff and assuming Torrey isn't necessarily that then we need it because I don't see that special "it" factor from Brown.

As for Butler, well, that's just taking camp talk. He looked great but then I could use those same articles about how Marlon is struggling, which I also don't provide much weight. We'll see what happens with Butler in the season if he makes the team, which I think he can.

I think we could very well address WR high if any two of the following bullets happen:

1. Torrey leaves or struggles.

2. Steve SmIth isn't the same.

3. Marlon Brown tears an ACL or struggles.

4. Campanaro or Butler fail to impress.

I have this because if any two of those scenarios happens then I think the FO will consider it a problem especially if the offense doesn't rank high. We already have seen Jacoby Jones isn't really a #2 WR. I hate labeling but it's true. Jones is best for big plays, in every facet. It's what he does. For this reason, I expect Jones and Brown to rotate as a starting third WR and even used in four wide sets.

I don't think there will be a set line-up except for a few people. I see a lot of rotations on both sides of the ball.

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I think looking at Daniels you must wonder if he'll be an Elvis Dumervil or a Chris Canty. Now Chris Canty wasn't wasn't even bad but you could argue that guys like Tyson played as well as him. That's clearly an analogy to how I think this could go. Daniels could do great, average or he could even be a Stokley. The question is who is he now? He's surely got great potential from his past performance. I'd lie if I said I wasn't excited to see him play with Joe. It's just a gut feeling that he will end up disappointing us that's all. Nothing really more to it.

 

 

I had to stop reading your post after this. I'll go back and finish the rest, but I think this is a great question and one that has to be asked as you mentioned. Like I said, I'm not naïve enough to think that ever move made this year will work out perfectly or that guys like O.D and Smitty will come in and recreate their youthful years, so I definitely understand where you are coming from.

 

Is he Doom or Canty? That's a really good question. Because if he's Doom, then he's probably asked to stick around for at least another year or 2. If he's Canty, then we probably see a lot of Juice and Gilmore in situations where you'd expect to see O.D. One of the best things I like about Harbs is he plays the guy who's playing the best, period. My overall expectations isn't for him to live up to the Pro Bowl standard he was at before his injury, but I do think he'll perform well.

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Yeah I definitely think he'll take over in 2015. I'd agree with the comparisons and even the complement to Torrey. I guess the question is whether Torrey can or is that true #1 dominant receiver who teams need to devote extra coverage to stop. I personally think he is and if not currently then can be. With that said, I try to remove my own bias when I try to guess (unless it's a hunch) when I judge stuff and assuming Torrey isn't necessarily that then we need it because I don't see that special "it" factor from Brown.

As for Butler, well, that's just taking camp talk. He looked great but then I could use those same articles about how Marlon is struggling, which I also don't provide much weight. We'll see what happens with Butler in the season if he makes the team, which I think he can.

I think we could very well address WR high if any two of the following bullets happen:

1. Torrey leaves or struggles.

2. Steve SmIth isn't the same.

3. Marlon Brown tears an ACL or struggles.

4. Campanaro or Butler fail to impress.

I have this because if any two of those scenarios happens then I think the FO will consider it a problem especially if the offense doesn't rank high. We already have seen Jacoby Jones isn't really a #2 WR. I hate labeling but it's true. Jones is best for big plays, in every facet. It's what he does. For this reason, I expect Jones and Brown to rotate as a starting third WR and even used in four wide sets.

I don't think there will be a set line-up except for a few people. I see a lot of rotations on both sides of the ball.

 

I actually do see that "it" factor from Marlon. I still remember when I was at the Castle watching practice and he just jumped out to me. I'm like this kid is gonna be good. Now i'm not saying it as far as top WR 1500yds 12Tds "it". But he's definitely good enough to be a quality #2 guy.

 

I don 't put much into Bulter or Camp honestly. Both guys have to show and prove that being drafted late or not at all wasn't an accurate evaluation. As for the drafting of a WR, I make that statement under the presumption that guys remain healthy and Torrey stays. Obviously if something goes wrong we'll be looking for a WR no doubt. But all things going well, I don't see us targeting a

WR early honestly.

 

1. I don't see either happening. Much like you I think Torrey can and will thrive in a #1 role. He's gotten better every year in the NFL and I can't see the Ravens letting him get away. Also because of this, I don't see us drafting a WR high. I can't see Ozzie drafting a #2 WR high unless it's a can't miss guy.

 

2. Very fair point but again, I feel Marlon is the guy who will take over for Smitty either way, so his performance doesn't really factor into what we do a WR imo.

 

3. That's tough to say. That's like saying the Ravens will target a QB high if Joe gets injuried. Of course we would. Now Brown has had some injury issues even dating back to college, I definitely agree with it, if he gets hurt we will. But all things being healthy I say no.

 

4. I don't see their failures sending Ozzie into a "gotta add to wr" mode. I think if either of those guys fail to impress, you'll see a younger Vet WR added. But it won't be a huge name or something to get excited over, It'll be a guy like Louis Murphy who had some success in the NFL and may just need a better situation.

 

I agree with coby, he's not a #2 but he could be really good as a #3. I think there will be heavy rotation around the entire team expect for QB and the oline. Other then that guys will be rotated a lot, especially on defense.

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The title says it all.  With training camp upon us, take an early shot at the 53 man roster.  I've always found it interesting to see the thought process that goes into picking 53 out of 90 players.

 

 

Quarterback (3):

In: Joe Flacco, Tyrod Taylor, Keith Wenning

Bubble:

Out:

 

It feels weird to put 3 QBs, but that's what I think happens this year.  I've seen that Wenning has been very timid in the pocket and that's before pads were even on.  Tyrod isn't the best option, but I trust him more to keep us competitive for a few games if Flacco were to get hurt than I would Wenning.  Wenning could go to the PS, but I wonder if they chance it if they really do believe that he's the backup of the future.

 

Running Back (3):

In: Bernard Pierce, Justin Forsett, Lorenzo Taliaferro

Bubble: Ray Rice (suspension?)

Out: Cierre Wood, Fitzgerald Toussaint

 

The big question here is whether Ray Rice will get suspended, which I fully believe he will.  If for some odd reason he doesn't, scratch Forsett off.  I don't see much changing here unless there's an injury.  All 3 backs slated to make the team are complementary of one another.  Wood could make a late push based on performance in the preseason, but I'd say this is what it would look like.

 

Fullback (1):

In: Kyle Juszczyk

Bubble:

Out: Shaun Chapas

 

Not much needs to be said here.  Juice is the guy at FB and Chapas is nothing more than a camp body for this team.

 

Wide Receiver (5):

In: Torrey Smith, Steve Smith, Marlon Brown, Jacoby Jones, Michael Campanaro

Bubble: Jeremy Butler, LaQuan Williams, Deonte Thompson

Out: Mike Willie, Gerrard Sheppard, Kamar Aiken, Jace Davis

 

I'd like to keep 6, but as the roster goes along, it's hard to find 6 spots.  If something happens and there's room, I think Butler and Williams have the most likely shot of getting that spot.  There's no doubt in my mind that Campanaro makes the team being that we traded a future pick and that he's a different receiver from anything else we have on the roster.

 

Tight End (3):

In: Dennis Pitta, Owen Daniels, Crockett Gillmore

Bubble: Phillip Supernaw

Out: Nathan Overbay

 

There's not much question here in my mind either.  The top 3 are pretty much settled.  The only reason I have Supernaw as a bubble guy is that Kubiak loves his TEs.  If we can somehow manage to keep 4, Supernaw could be the guy.  He managed to crack the Texans roster with Kubiak last year so it's possible, but unlikely.

 

Offensive Line (9):

In: Eugene Monroe, Kelechi Osemele, Jeremy Zuttah, Marshal Yanda, Rick Wagner, Ryan Jensen, John Urschel, Gino Gradkowski, AQ Shipley

Bubble: James Hurst, Jah Reid, Will Rackley

Out: Parker Graham, Brett Van Sloten, David Mims, Reggie Stephens

 

This is a difficult one.  I can't see us not adding a veteran T at some point, but based off of what we have now, this is unfortunately how I see it playing out.  If the season started today, I think the plan would be to have Osemele as the backup T option in case of injury.  That gives us Jensen or Shipley at G, the latter being a scary thought.  I like Hurst, but I've heard he's really struggled against the 1s and 2s and has looked very timid on his leg, so he could be an IR candidate if things don't improve.  The only reason Reid is on the bubble is due to the lack of T depth.

 

Defensive Line (7):

In: Haloti Ngata, Chris Canty, Brandon Williams, DeAngelo Tyson, Kapron Lewis-Moore, Timmy Jernigan, Brent Urban

Bubble: Terrence Cody

Out: Derrick Hopkins, Jamie Meder, AJ Pataiali'i, Levi Brown

 

This group is young, but deep.  I like Hopkins as a PS candidate, but there's simply too much in front of him to crack this roster.  Canty could be cut if the young guys show well and he doesn't improve on last year, but I think being a veteran keeps him around.  Cody is on the bubble, but likely to be cut.

 

Inside Linebacker (4):

In: Daryl Smith, CJ Mosley, Arthur Brown, Josh Bynes

Bubble: Albert McClellan

Out: Austin Spitler, Zach Orr

 

I'd love to find a spot for McClellan, but it's really difficult to only pick 53.  I gave the edge to Bynes since they're similar ST players, but Bynes has more defensive experience.  Spitler is out on the basis of him being a pure STer with Bynes and McClellan as similar players with defensive ability.  The real question here is who starts opposite Daryl.

 

Outside Linebacker (5):

In: Terrell Suggs, Elvis Dumervil, Courtney Upshaw, Pernell McPhee, John Simon

Bubble:

Out: Nick DiMarco, DJ Roberts

 

There's not much question here either.  All 5 of those guys are pretty much locks for this team barring injury.  The 2 UDFAs won't crack the roster.

 

Cornerback (5):

In: Lardarius Webb, Jimmy Smith, Chykie Brown, Asa Jackson, Aaron Ross

Bubble: Dominique Franks, Deji Olatoye, Sammy Seamster

Out: Tramain Jacobs

 

This is easily the most questionable position.  I gave the edge to Ross based on veteran experience.  Franks is a vet but doesn't have that much more playing time than Chykie, so I doubt we go with that much inexperience at CB.  Another question here is if we keep 6.  I think Olatoye and Seamster could push for roster spots at the expense of a 5th safety in the next grouping.  For now, I'll go with 5.

 

Safety (5):

In: Matt Elam, Darian Stewart, Terrence Brooks, Jeromy Miles, Anthony Levine

Bubble: Brynden Trawick, Omar Brown

Out:

 

I think the first 4 are pretty much locks.  I gave Levine a roster spot based on his ST ability, but I think that spot could easily go to Trawick or Brown, a 6th CB, or a 6th WR.

 

Special Teams (3):

In: Justin Tucker, Sam Koch, Morgan Cox

Bubble: Richie Leone

Out:

 

I think we continue with the consistency of Koch despite a down year.  Leone is said to be boom or bust, and I'm not sure that we go with him with Harbaugh's emphasis on ST.  I won't write him off, but I think Koch is safe for one more year.

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I would switch Ross and Franks. Ross's career is basically done, and Franks can actually contribute.

 

Also, Wenning isn't good enough to have a spot locked down. He might be stashed on the PS.

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I would switch Ross and Franks. Ross's career is basically done, and Franks can actually contribute.

Also, Wenning isn't good enough to have a spot locked down. He might be stashed on the PS.

What good does Franks do us though? He's got 1 more year of experience than Chykie and played a whopping 14 defensive snaps last year. That doesn't really solve our lack of experience issue for depth.

I'm keeping Wenning on the roster because I don't think they want to risk losing him a la Derek Anderson awhile back.

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My predictions will be shown in a video presentation including all the players in the starting lineup. It should air a little after 1:00 pm on the Baltimore area CBS station on September 7th. I don't claim any credit in making the video but what that video says are what my predictions will be ;)

We will just have to see how the preseason goes, I want to see the players in our system before I get any real predictions going on how it will shake out.

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My predictions will be shown in a video presentation including all the players in the starting lineup. It should air a little after 1:00 pm on the Baltimore area CBS station on September 7th. I don't claim any credit in making the video but what that video says are what my predictions will be ;)

We will just have to see how the preseason goes, I want to see the players in our system before I get any real predictions going on how it will shake out.

 

Oh I can guarantee this my prediction will change come the last week of August/first week of September.  Just taking a stab now because I'm bored lol

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Oh I can guarantee this my prediction will change come the last week of August/first week of September. Just taking a stab now because I'm bored lol

Yeah thats true. Maybe we should try to figure out what formations we will be in for the first series against the Bengals.

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What good does Franks do us though? He's got 1 more year of experience than Chykie and played a whopping 14 defensive snaps last year. That doesn't really solve our lack of experience issue for depth.

I'm keeping Wenning on the roster because I don't think they want to risk losing him a la Derek Anderson awhile back.

Id rather lose Wenning than someone like Campanaro or Shipley, who might actually play. And really, how often does anyone get claimed off of the practice squad? I still think Franks will be better. Neither were on a roster, so I think we can assume that neither will be putting the league on notice any time soon. Edited by hawkprey
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Id rather lose Wenning than someone like Campanaro or Shipley, who might actually play. And really, how often does anyone get claimed off of the practice squad? I still think Franks will be better. Neither were on a roster, so I think we can assume that neither will be putting the league on notice any time soon.

 

It's all about the risk.  If they believe in him as the guy that will be the future backup, I suspect that they'll keep him on the roster.  I'm more than fine with it if they do chance it.  I wasn't a huge fan of the guy in the pre-draft scouting.  I just don't see them taking the chance if it's a guy that they truly believe in for the future.

 

It's just such a risk to go with just Franks.  I have a hard time believing that Franks can be an adequate #3 when he was on an injury depleted Falcons D last year and still only played 14 snaps.

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From what I hear, Franks is good on special teams. That will be his ticket and if he shows himself capable on defense he has a good opportunity. Ross is more the vet and if they are concerned with what they have and want someone they are comfortable with playing corner, he will probably stay. I could see it coming down to what they think of Chykie and Asa.

I think Wenning makes it, I am sure Kubiak will want to get him some experience and he will probably be a stash. Depends on what we decide to cut but I think this year they will want that third QB.

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From what I hear, Franks is good on special teams. That will be his ticket and if he shows himself capable on defense he has a good opportunity. Ross is more the vet and if they are concerned with what they have and want someone they are comfortable with playing corner, he will probably stay. I could see it coming down to what they think of Chykie and Asa.

I think Wenning makes it, I am sure Kubiak will want to get him some experience and he will probably be a stash. Depends on what we decide to cut but I think this year they will want that third QB.

 

ST is Franks' ticket, in my opinion.  Of course if he plays incredibly well at CB, we'll take it.  I just think that if there's a concern about the 3rd CB, Ross has to be that guy.  If Chykie or Asa convincingly win the job, that's where I can see the case for Franks over Ross because of that ST ability.

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I will never understand the hype around KLM. Couldn't find any highlight videos. He could very well be a solid player but Some fans have been treating this guy like he's the second coming. With all this hype he better be a top 10 DE lol.

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I will never understand the hype around KLM. Couldn't find any highlight videos. He could very well be a solid player but Some fans have been treating this guy like he's the second coming. With all this hype he better be a top 10 DE lol.

He was a second to third round prospect before the ACL tear. You can most likely find videos of him in draftbreakdown.com. not highlights, but full videos of his defensive snaps

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With the first game of the seasons 59 days away and training camp around the corner, it might be fun to make some early predictions on who will and should start for the Ravens.

QB: Joe Flacco

RB: Bernard Pierce

FB: Juice

TE: Dennis Pitta

WR: Torrey Smith

WR: Steve Smith

WR: Marlon Brown/Jacoby Jones

 

LT: Eugene Monroe

LG: Kelechi Osemele

C: Jeremy Zuttah

RG: Marshall Yanda

RT: Ricky Wagner

The offensive line looks very much improved if they can get their chemistry down. Zuttah will be a huge upgrade and having a healthy guard duo is major. Wagner is a bit of a question mark, but he's a known run blocker and it's likely the Ravens have Yanda combo block with Wagner or slide a tight end to his side if he truly does struggle

DE: Chris Canty

NT: Haloti Ngata

DE: Kapron Lewis-Moore/Deangelo Tyson

OLB: Terrell Suggs

ILB: CJ Mosley

ILB: Daryl Smith

OLB: Courtney Upshaw/Dumervil

CB: Jimmy Smith

CB: Lardarius Webb

CB: Aaron Ross

FS: Darian Stewart

SS: Matt Elam

 

Couple changes. I really doubt they demote dumervil and upshaw and him were costarters last year.

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I will never understand the hype around KLM. Couldn't find any highlight videos. He could very well be a solid player but Some fans have been treating this guy like he's the second coming. With all this hype he better be a top 10 DE lol.

2nd round grade coming out last year, tore his ACL. was a beast at ND

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I will never understand the hype around KLM. Couldn't find any highlight videos. He could very well be a solid player but Some fans have been treating this guy like he's the second coming. With all this hype he better be a top 10 DE lol.

He's pretty hyped around here and I'm not sure how well he'll do but I know quite a bit about him. I'm a Notre Dame fan among other college football teams. Kaplan does a lot of things well, but most importantly, he's an excellent leader. I'd go as far to say that losing him cost them their chance to compete in the championship game against Alabama. I also feel it affected Tuitt and Nix this year. Their down performance this past season could be evidence of that.

Kaplan has good use of hands, which helps him as a pass rusher. He reminds me of Corey Redding to an extent. I'm personally not fond of him in the 4-3 much like Redding. He's got a good jump on the ball and he's pretty stout against the run considering he played RE in their 3-4 defensive system. He needs to improve his pass rush like every guy coming out of college, but he has the tools to do it. His injury is the only reason he dropped, otherwise I expect he would've gone in the second round.

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Couple changes. I really doubt they demote dumervil and upshaw and him were costarters last year.

I was doing it on the premise of base defense against a run formation

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He looked good at Ohio, has a motor. Thought he'd be making some sparks!

 

Not with those other studs in front of him.

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Couple changes. I really doubt they demote dumervil and upshaw and him were costarters last year.

 

 No matter what the roster says, Upshaw is the starter and Dumeril is the situational player.

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i dont think we see ngata at NT, its a strange situation with him because we know what hes capable of, but its tough to find a position for him because he just never seems to live up to his potential at any position, one day we say move him back to NT because he cant rush the passer well enough, the next day we say put him at DE so he doesnt get injured again lol. 

 

but i personally think if we see upshaw on the field, then we will see brandon wiliams and maybe jernigan, because they seem like more stout option against the run than KLM and canty

 

Surely, you can't be serious, right?

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What good does Franks do us though? He's got 1 more year of experience than Chykie and played a whopping 14 defensive snaps last year. That doesn't really solve our lack of experience issue for depth.

I'm keeping Wenning on the roster because I don't think they want to risk losing him a la Derek Anderson awhile back.

It doesn't solve our problem at inexperienced depth behind Smith and Webb, however, it's not always about that. Corey Graham was a special teams ace and was nominated and attended the Pro Bowl for the Bears in 2011. Graham only had 87 snaps on defense through 3 games that year as well. Granted, Franks was on a team that could've really used his help in the secondary, so I'm not sure how great he'll be but it's something well have to see. I personally don't think he'll be more than ST but that could be enough depending on what the team feels we need the most out of our CB depth.

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ST is Franks' ticket, in my opinion. Of course if he plays incredibly well at CB, we'll take it. I just think that if there's a concern about the 3rd CB, Ross has to be that guy. If Chykie or Asa convincingly win the job, that's where I can see the case for Franks over Ross because of that ST ability.

Might be crazy here but I wouldn't be surprised if we ran less nickel and had our 3 LB on the field a lot with Elam playing a nickel role.
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I actually do see that "it" factor from Marlon. I still remember when I was at the Castle watching practice and he just jumped out to me. I'm like this kid is gonna be good. Now i'm not saying it as far as top WR 1500yds 12Tds "it". But he's definitely good enough to be a quality #2 guy.

I don 't put much into Bulter or Camp honestly. Both guys have to show and prove that being drafted late or not at all wasn't an accurate evaluation. As for the drafting of a WR, I make that statement under the presumption that guys remain healthy and Torrey stays. Obviously if something goes wrong we'll be looking for a WR no doubt. But all things going well, I don't see us targeting a

WR early honestly.

1. I don't see either happening. Much like you I think Torrey can and will thrive in a #1 role. He's gotten better every year in the NFL and I can't see the Ravens letting him get away. Also because of this, I don't see us drafting a WR high. I can't see Ozzie drafting a #2 WR high unless it's a can't miss guy.

2. Very fair point but again, I feel Marlon is the guy who will take over for Smitty either way, so his performance doesn't really factor into what we do a WR imo.

3. That's tough to say. That's like saying the Ravens will target a QB high if Joe gets injuried. Of course we would. Now Brown has had some injury issues even dating back to college, I definitely agree with it, if he gets hurt we will. But all things being healthy I say no.

4. I don't see their failures sending Ozzie into a "gotta add to wr" mode. I think if either of those guys fail to impress, you'll see a younger Vet WR added. But it won't be a huge name or something to get excited over, It'll be a guy like Louis Murphy who had some success in the NFL and may just need a better situation.

I agree with coby, he's not a #2 but he could be really good as a #3. I think there will be heavy rotation around the entire team expect for QB and the oline. Other then that guys will be rotated a lot, especially on defense.

It's not one factor that'll send Ozzie into "gotta add a WR" mode, it'll be two of those factors or more. That is what will decide it IMO. I could easily see two of those factors occurring.
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Might be crazy here but I wouldn't be surprised if we ran less nickel and had our 3 LB on the field a lot with Elam playing a nickel role.

 

Hmmm ... Thats actually a very interesting concept. Arthur, CJ, and Daryl on the field at the same time w/ Elam hunting around. Smith and Webb locking down the outside. A scheme like that could certainly work against teams like the Steelers and Browns. It would put a lot of pressure on the FS though, unless we could get a deadly pass rush. 

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Hmmm ... Thats actually a very interesting concept. Arthur, CJ, and Daryl on the field at the same time w/ Elam hunting around. Smith and Webb locking down the outside. A scheme like that could certainly work against teams like the Steelers and Browns. It would put a lot of pressure on the FS though, unless we could get a deadly pass rush. 

The exciting thing about all three of them is that they can blitz like the blue blazes at a moment's notice (I wanted to use another adjective :P ) so we'd definitely have options for that kind of look.

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Might be crazy here but I wouldn't be surprised if we ran less nickel and had our 3 LB on the field a lot with Elam playing a nickel role.

 

I'm kind of expecting Brooks to play a role as a slot CB as well.  I think Brooks' ability to play CB could allow us to go with 5 CB's and 5 S's.

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With the first game of the seasons 59 days away and training camp around the corner, it might be fun to make some early predictions on who will and should start for the Ravens.

QB: Joe Flacco   

RB: Bernard Pierce

FB: Juice

TE: Dennis Pitta

WR: Torrey Smith

WR: Steve Smith

WR: Jacoby Jones

It's hard to leave Marlon Brown out of the starting lineup after a strong rookie showing, but he's best in the slot, the position Steve Smith will line up in. Jones also signed a fairly big contract, and that won't be just to return kicks.

LT: Eugene Monroe

LG: Kelechi Osemele

C: Jeremy Zuttah

RG: Marshall Yanda

RT: Ricky Wagner

The offensive line looks very much improved if they can get their chemistry down. Zuttah will be a huge upgrade and having a healthy guard duo is major. Wagner is a bit of a question mark, but he's a known run blocker and it's likely the Ravens have Yanda combo block with Wagner or slide a tight end to his side if he truly does struggle

DE: Chris Canty

NT: Haloti Ngata

DE: Kapron Lewis-Moore

KLM is a bit of an unknown, but reports are great from mini camp and he's likely a second or third rounder if not for the injury. The talent is there if he's healthy. He's stout against the run and can provide some push in the passing game. The only competition would be Tyson, but I think he'll be a versatile rotation player. Only other scenario I could see is Brandon Williams starting at the nose tackle spot and Ngata moving to DE.

OLB: Terrell Suggs

ILB: CJ Mosley

ILB: Daryl Smith

OLB: Courtney Upshaw

Upshaw over Dumervil will surprise some people, but Upshaw is much better against the run and it keeps Doom fresh. Mosley and Smith is going to be one heck of an athletic duo.

CB: Jimmy Smith

CB: Lardarius Webb

CB: Aaron Ross

FS: Darian Stewart

SS: Matt Elam

Brooks appears to be just learning the defense for now and not really in a position to start right out of the gates. It'll be no surprise if he takes over later, but not right now. I think Ross wins the third corner spot due to his experience with Spags and his experience overall

 

 
The only changes i would make is lorenezo taliaferro start instead of pierce and you have 12 starting defenders so i dont think ross will start. I think tyson will beat out KLM. I think tucker will start along with sam koch as punter
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The only changes i would make is lorenezo taliaferro start instead of pierce and you have 12 starting defenders so i dont think ross will start. I think tyson will beat out KLM. I think tucker will start along with sam koch as punter

 

I should have 12 offensive players starting as well. It's more to say who I think the third wide receiver will be and who the nickel corner will be. An interesting thought I've been toying with for nickel corner is Terrence Brooks, who has experience playing corner.

 

Why Taliefero over Pierce? 

 

Tyson is a player I really like, and I was torn between him and KLM

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I have to say I disagree with merging these threads. They're similar, but talking about distinctly different things and it's kinda tough to keep track of who's talking about the starting roster and who's talking about the 53-man squad.

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I have to say I disagree with merging these threads. They're similar, but talking about distinctly different things and it's kinda tough to keep track of who's talking about the starting roster and who's talking about the 53-man squad.

 

I thought so as well, as that was the only reason I posted the 53 man thread.  I have a feeling there are going to be a lot more 53 man threads.

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Surely, you can't be serious, right?

i am, and dont call me shirley. 

 

but really, the past 3 years we have talked over and over about moving ngata to his more natural position... but what is his natural position? because since he signed his contract hes played DE, DT, and NT, and he has been half the player he used to be, regardless of what position/role we put him in. he is still one of the better starters in the league, but arthur jones was better for us last year, and he was better in the super bowl run, and he is young and just getting started, we had to let him walk because of ngatas cap hit. not saying we have a better answer on the roster now, and not saying we really need one, but we could get ngatas level of production for much cheaper.

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