Why do the Ravens always Settle for less?

[Inqui]

What's up with all the Boldin threads. This isn't 2013.

Ravens fans are like that guy who can't get over his ex.

[Tru11]

like i said in the other boldin thread.

 

fans either cant/refuse to understand what the Cap is and how it affects the bussiness side of a team.

[itscbm5042]

 We could have gotten more for Boldin he just came off a great playoff run and was a huge reason we won the superbowl. I find it hard to believe that out of 31 teams a 6th rounder is the best we could get. I don't think wer'e settling for less like the OP but a 6th for Q was bull.

Um...what? You find it hard to believe a 6th is the best we could get? Because that WAS the best we could get. What do you think some other team offered a 3rd rounder and the Ravens said... nah let's give him to John's brother... come on. People forget the Ravens tried to keep him by restructuring and Q said no. At the time, the money spent elsewhere looked like OK moves but they didn't pan out. Would I have kept Boldin? Yeah, I would have found a way to make the deal. But do I understand where the Ravens were at when they made the decision? Yeah, I understand that too.

[Ausman]

People, People, People...

 

i'm not dweling on the Past Boldin trade. my main point is : "In the Future" do Not settle for less.

 

Ending up with a Franchise Left Tackle (Monroe) and a great Replacement for Ray (D. Smith) and Marlon's production is Awesome but we can Not count on this type of scenario happening again.

 

What Ozzie ended up doing was that he just turned a losing position into a Winning one and thank God we didn't keep that 6th rounder. He cut his losses and made turned them into Monroe, Dumervil , and D. Smith.

 

And in the end we ended up screwing the Jaguars by taking 2 of their best players. if one team screws us than we should screw another team ,which we shoudl still do in the future.

 

Maybe I need to make my points clearer in my topic post...

[display name]

I think a 4th or 5th round pick for Boldin would have made the most sense.

[The Mom Gene]

Ravens fans are like that guy who can't get over his ex.

SMH...  Boldin probably comes to these boards and cracks up....  But, I hate to say that I agree...  it's crazy....  Time to move on folks.  I mean I know it's the offseason, but we are reverting back to stuff like "Do we miss Boldin?...  and now we're discussing it again with the whole Ravens settle for less thing....

[bMore Heathen]

Everybody in the NFL knew how valuable Q was to the Ravens. Why shouldn't we have gotten a 2nd rounder at least?

Because the entire league knew we would cut him if we couldn't trade him. He wasn't going to be a Raven after he refused to extend his contract. No matter how valuable you think he was, he wasn't worth that price tag he was carrying. It would have been different if he was catching 100 balls a year, but he wasn't. I didn't like seeing him go either, but I knew it was coming.

[ravensnick]

I would like to make a few points here in regards to the Ravens settling for less.

 

1). The AnQuan Boldin Trade:

 

The 49ers clearly robbed us and got the better end of the deal! A measly 6th round pick are you kidding me? Why didn't we get a 2nd and 3rd rounder? That should have been the trade. The 6th round pick we got has not fared out and I don't want to mention his name cause I don't want to call people out. Without AnQuan Boldin we would have not won a Superbowl and becuase of his value to us we should have gotten a 6th round pick.

 

2). The difference between a one time Champion and a Dynasty:

 

The difference between a team that wins a championship every decade vs. a Dynasty is that Dynasties are willing to get Greedy and the regualr champions will settle for less.

 

I'm by no means telling Ozzie how to do his job but we got a shot at being a Dynsaty and Ozzie needs to go for it. So yes I am asking if he can get a little more greedy an aggressive when dealing players. As the great Gordon Gekko says it: "Greed is Good".

 

1). If we have to trade one of our best players due to cap limits, we should accept nothing less than a 2nd round pick and 3rd rounder. Preferrably a 1st rounder if we can get it.

 

2). Get contract extensions done sooner instead of letting them play it out and letting their prices go up. (Torrey and Jimmy for example)

 

3). Never ever settle for less in a trade make sure it's a win-win and not a get the wrong side of the deal!

I would seriously question the mental health of the other team if they gave us more than a 5th for Q. He's on the wrong side of 30, slow, and wasn't the most impressive (not bad tho) outside the SB run. He cap space was huge compared to his actual production. It was take the 6th round pick or cut Q and get absolutely nothing as well as more money againist our cap. Second, even dynasty rarely repeat and 8-8 is still not a good year but a mediocre.We will be good this year, i hope.

[ravensnick]

In order to form a dynasty you need a franchise QB and you have to continually have great drafts (giving you good cheap young talent). We have the first, but not the 2nd at all. We haven't even had a good draft in like 6 years so it's actually actually pretty amazing we've done this well considering that. I just don't get what building a dynasty has to do with Ozzie being greedy though. And how he hadn't been aggressive enougj

We haven't had a great draft since 2008, but to say we haven't had a good draft is a little crazy. We got torrey and jimmy in 2011. 

[ravefan52]

We haven't had a great draft since 2008, but to say we haven't had a good draft is a little crazy. We got torrey and jimmy in 2011.

Yeah other than that one. Still wasn't great tho

[ravensnick]

Yeah other than that one. Still wasn't great tho

Wasn't great but was very good. All of our drafts feature some solid starters and lots of depth, just like most drafts our. But we did hit gold a good bit with later picks in Webb, Jones, and Pitta.

[edthehead]

I really shouldnt post here but,,,,

 

On the subject of dynasties.

List for me how many teams have made six consecutive playoff appearances.....

 

See some teams hit it big and then fizzle to nothing for four or five years.  The Ravens maintain by spending smart and investing well.  Being a dynasty is not a sprint but a marathon.

Mr K-Dog,,,I agree with what you are saying.I think we could have possibly gotten a 5th for him,, I do not think he is just speaking of boldin,,but what he is speaking of is how other teams are so aggressive ie; denver,,, atl they  made a bold move by trading away it all for julio jones(a move I would not make),I do look at us as being a possible dynasty but we need a major move,don't get me wrong I love our moves and how we do operate,depth and finding hidden gems are always a plus,next year draft I hope we trade up and get that impact player,, it is time to stop worrying about comp pics we need to do what we need to do,,,what do you think and you what are your thoughts on being more aggressive and making bold moves,,,    

[The Mom Gene]

We haven't had a great draft since 2008, but to say we haven't had a good draft is a little crazy. We got torrey and jimmy in 2011. 

Building a complete team can take YEARS, as we have all seen.  Most teams are lucky to get one or two great players a year.

[The Mom Gene]

Mr K-Dog,,,I agree with what you are saying.I think we could have possibly gotten a 5th for him,, I do not think he is just speaking of boldin,,but what he is speaking of is how other teams are so aggressive ie; denver,,, atl they  made a bold move by trading away it all for julio jones(a move I would not make),I do look at us as being a possible dynasty but we need a major move,don't get me wrong I love our moves and how we do operate,depth and finding hidden gems are always a plus,next year draft I hope we trade up and get that impact player,, it is time to stop worrying about comp pics we need to do what we need to do,,,what do you think and you what are your thoughts on being more aggressive and making bold moves,,,    

 

I love what we have done this offseason, and nobody in the national media has even given it a sniff of attention...  I can't wait for football.

[K-Dog]

Mr K-Dog,,,I agree with what you are saying.I think we could have possibly gotten a 5th for him,, I do not think he is just speaking of boldin,,but what he is speaking of is how other teams are so aggressive ie; denver,,, atl they  made a bold move by trading away it all for julio jones(a move I would not make),I do look at us as being a possible dynasty but we need a major move,don't get me wrong I love our moves and how we do operate,depth and finding hidden gems are always a plus,next year draft I hope we trade up and get that impact player,, it is time to stop worrying about comp pics we need to do what we need to do,,,what do you think and you what are your thoughts on being more aggressive and making bold moves,,,    

 

Mr. K-Dog !??!!?  Thats my Dad.    No just kidding.

 

Okay Denver is a great example.Talk to me about Denver 2008 to present.   Now lets watch Denver for ,,,, say the next six years.  I will betcha' a dollar in that 12 year span Baltimore will have a better over all record and more play off appearances.

 

I guess the question is which team is better?   The team that maintains a high level  with many many wins over time and a the occasional SB victory, or the team that peaks and then plummets with a few wins and a few SB wins in a short time but over all more losses than wins ?

[Ravn5592]

We were gonna let Boldin walk and everyone knew it, we either get a 6th rounder or nothing.

[The Raven]

Everybody in the NFL knew how valuable Q was to the Ravens. Why shouldn't we have gotten a 2nd rounder at least?

 

It doesn't freaking matter how valuable he was to us. What matters is how valuable he is to them.

[Purple Punishment]

It doesn't freaking matter how valuable he was to us. What matters is how valuable he is to them.

We got what we could for him. He was going to walk anyways. He was not getting 6M a year from us. Better to get something than nothing.

[Ravensfan23]

Mr K-Dog,,,I agree with what you are saying.I think we could have possibly gotten a 5th for him,, I do not think he is just speaking of boldin,,but what he is speaking of is how other teams are so aggressive ie; denver,,, atl they  made a bold move by trading away it all for julio jones(a move I would not make),I do look at us as being a possible dynasty but we need a major move,don't get me wrong I love our moves and how we do operate,depth and finding hidden gems are always a plus,next year draft I hope we trade up and get that impact player,, it is time to stop worrying about comp pics we need to do what we need to do,,,what do you think and you what are your thoughts on being more aggressive and making bold moves,,,    

 

Why fix what isn't broken? You look at teams like the Broncos and Falcons making bold moves but what has it really gotten them? And also you look at their necessity to make said bold moves. Peyton is nearing the end of his career and the Broncos know that without him chances are that team won't nearly be as good. So they are looking to surround that team with as much talent as possible to hopefully ensure getting over the SB hump. The Falcons made the Julio move in hopes of catching the Saints and other teams like the Packers in the NFC. They felt the necessity to made that bold move because they had to chase the bigger fish. On the other hand the Ravens have consistently been one of the bigger fish in the AFC. The Ravens have consistently shown they are capable of beating the "teams to beat" in the AFC so there isn't much of a need to break away from their philosophy and start making bold moves that historically never seem to work out as well as teams hope.

 

Most times Bold moves are meant to be short term, in hopes to win a SB in a 1-3 year span. The Ravens generally build for longevity. You have to truly weight the risk vs reward for big splash moves like other teams make. For the Ravens a move like Steve Smith or Elvis Dumervile is a splash, but it's still done in a smart team building way. If both Smith and Doom commanded big money or we decided to keep Boldin, what do we lose in return. As much as we missed Q last year, missing him wasn't the biggest issue we had. It was poor oline play. So if we make a Bold move like you suggest and say we traded away most of our draft to move up for a stud, are you willing to make that move up if it means not being able to acquire Monroe and relying on Oher as your Franchise LT?

 

If we give out big money for a guy like NIcks who was the prize WR this year, or made a big trade for DJax, are you willing to run the risk of maybe not being able to upgrade the oline like we think we've done this year? Are you willing to run the risk of maybe having to choose between upgrading the oline or signing Pitta long term? In that case which would you choose?

 

Also think of it this way, we are so good at drafting that we have made a lot of Bold moves, they have just come from in house. If Webb was drafted by another team and we gave him the same big contract we did a couple years ago, is that not viewed as a big FA move? If Ngata and Suggs were drafted by other teams and we signed those guys in FA would they not be viewed as Big deals? How about Flacco, Rice and Yanda?

 

The Ravens are as close to building a Dynasty as any other team in the NFL and even more so then the Pats and Broncos imo.

[Militant X 1]

I would like to make a few points here in regards to the Ravens settling for less.

 

1). The AnQuan Boldin Trade:

 

The 49ers clearly robbed us and got the better end of the deal!

 

Really?  I stopped reading after this!  Q is gone man!  This will be our second season without him and you cats that keep harping on this trade need to let it and him gooooooo!  He's gone!  He's happy to be a 49er.  You cats need to move on cause Q did!  Sheesh!  Smh!

 

#Mili

[Tiz]

Everybody in the NFL knew how valuable Q was to the Ravens. Why shouldn't we have gotten a 2nd rounder at least?

Because he was valuable to baltimore not valuable to them

[True_to_52]

Boldin, before the SB run was nothing special regardless of scheme fit or whatever else you want to use as an excuse. Let's take into account that Boldin had a much better OL to work with in SF and other elements. We do not know if Boldin would have done the same here as he did in SF. At the time Boldin was an aging receiver coming off a great playoff run and due a nice chunk of change and did not want to take a pay reduction. Remember GM's think ahead and take into account other contracts, upcoming extensions, and the salary cap situation. It actually made sense at the time if you  really think about it. 

[supaB]

I see what the guy is saying on one point.  I've always felt Ozzie doesnt get true value when it comes to trades.  Whether it be a player or, especially in the draft.  We would move down in the first to pick up an extra 4th while other teams team similar slides for a 2nd next year.  I love Ozzie, but that is one aspect he could improve on.  

[Ravenseconbeast]

We always spend the maximum salary cap allows, and NEVER EVER spend it for flash.   

Our organization draft/pick up players solely based on what they can do for our team.   We never settle for less.   This is honestly the most rigorous organization i've ever witnessed.   Whether it be sports or business.   

[jaege]

I think a 4th or 5th round pick for Boldin would have made the most sense.

 

 

A 1st would have made even more sense, but who was going to give them to us? They took what was offered. Not that I agree with them letting him go at any trade price. I am in the camp that thinks they should have done what it took (honoring his contract) to keep him. He proved to be worth more than all the trash we got for that 6 mill, such is the benefit of hindsight.

[Ravensfan23]

A 1st would have made even more sense, but who was going to give them to us? They took what was offered. Not that I agree with them letting him go at any trade price. I am in the camp that thinks they should have done what it took (honoring his contract) to keep him. He proved to be worth more than all the trash we got for that 6 mill, such is the benefit of hindsight.

 

I agreed with the move when it was made. From a business standpoint which the NFL is, it made sense. From a on field stand point as you said hindsight is 20/20, but honestly I still agreed with the decision. Nobody could have predicted the injuries to KO, Pitta and Coby looking forward. I think if both KO and PItta plays all 16 games this team is right back in the playoffs even without Boldin. But the way the season played out with all the injuries and such the Boldin trade definitely hurt. But if everything went the say Ozzie and company envisioned, the trade wouldn't have been so bad.

 

My question is, which I can't recall at this time is, was it just a pay cut for Boldin or did the Ravens want to lower his cap and extend him for about 3 more years. Because if it was just a pay cut then you're probably not looking at Boldin as a option moving forward and at that point you get what you can for him. Nobody would have given more then a 6th for Boldin because even with his dominate playoff run, he was still viewed as a older guy who didn't create much separation and probably was nothing more then a number 2 option in most cases.

[rmw10]

I agreed with the move when it was made. From a business standpoint which the NFL is, it made sense. From a on field stand point as you said hindsight is 20/20, but honestly I still agreed with the decision. Nobody could have predicted the injuries to KO, Pitta and Coby looking forward. I think if both KO and PItta plays all 16 games this team is right back in the playoffs even without Boldin. But the way the season played out with all the injuries and such the Boldin trade definitely hurt. But if everything went the say Ozzie and company envisioned, the trade wouldn't have been so bad.

 

My question is, which I can't recall at this time is, was it just a pay cut for Boldin or did the Ravens want to lower his cap and extend him for about 3 more years. Because if it was just a pay cut then you're probably not looking at Boldin as a option moving forward and at that point you get what you can for him. Nobody would have given more then a 6th for Boldin because even with his dominate playoff run, he was still viewed as a older guy who didn't create much separation and probably was nothing more then a number 2 option in most cases.

 

I believe it was reported at the times that the Ravens asked him for a straight pay cut of about $2M, right after he said the Ravens are the only team he'd play for of course.  It doesn't sound like there was much interest in keeping him around beyond that year anyways.  In the end, we saved some money and got something out of him.

[Ravensfan23]

I believe it was reported at the times that the Ravens asked him for a straight pay cut of about $2M, right after he said the Ravens are the only team he'd play for of course.  It doesn't sound like there was much interest in keeping him around beyond that year anyways.  In the end, we saved some money and got something out of him.

 

Yea that's how I see it. Boldin wasn't a long term option and we got something in return. It's not just the 6th round pick but the money we saved allowed us to get Doom and just generally make moves to better the team long term.

[Tank 92]

We always spend the maximum salary cap allows, and NEVER EVER spend it for flash.   

Our organization draft/pick up players solely based on what they can do for our team.   We never settle for less.   This is honestly the most rigorous organization i've ever witnessed.   Whether it be sports or business.   

 

 

lol........ This is pretty much spot on.  We squeeze every drop from every penny available and it provides for consistency in competitiveness. 

 

It's not a matter of "settling for less", it's more like spending wisely for balance and consistency. It may not be flashy, but I'm guessing this Team will be in the hunt at the end of every season for the foreseeable future. As a fan, I like the way we do business. 

[TDubbs]

Just because we don't give up entire drafts to trade into the top 10 like the Falcons, doesn't mean we are 'settling for less'. If you want media hype to drum up team interest that ultimately ends in disappointment, follow those teams lol.