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Why do the Ravens always Settle for less?

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I would like to make a few points here in regards to the Ravens settling for less.

 

1). The AnQuan Boldin Trade:

 

The 49ers clearly robbed us and got the better end of the deal! A measly 6th round pick are you kidding me? Why didn't we get a 2nd and 3rd rounder? That should have been the trade. The 6th round pick we got has not fared out and I don't want to mention his name cause I don't want to call people out. Without AnQuan Boldin we would have not won a Superbowl and becuase of his value to us we should have gotten a 6th round pick.

 

2). The difference between a one time Champion and a Dynasty:

 

The difference between a team that wins a championship every decade vs. a Dynasty is that Dynasties are willing to get Greedy and the regualr champions will settle for less.

 

I'm by no means telling Ozzie how to do his job but we got a shot at being a Dynsaty and Ozzie needs to go for it. So yes I am asking if he can get a little more greedy an aggressive when dealing players. As the great Gordon Gekko says it: "Greed is Good".

 

1). If we have to trade one of our best players due to cap limits, we should accept nothing less than a 2nd round pick and 3rd rounder. Preferrably a 1st rounder if we can get it.

 

2). Get contract extensions done sooner instead of letting them play it out and letting their prices go up. (Torrey and Jimmy for example)

 

3). Never ever settle for less in a trade make sure it's a win-win and not a get the wrong side of the deal!

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Gordon Gekko also served 8 years in prison for insider trading and security fraud. And got a crappy sequel with Shia lawhine.

1. If anyone offered more for Q. We WOULDVE TAKEN IT. A 6th rounder is better than nothing

2. A dynasty is NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION.

We didn't repeat! Wah! Wah! Wah! Boo freakity hoo. We went 8-8 and are "a league worst". We are "rebuilding".

Um. If I recall, we basically traded a 7th rounder for a 6th rounder. That's not settling for less. We got a starting center for a 6th. And traded a 4th, 5th, and 6th for a FRANCHISE LEFT TACKLE.

Yeah. We got something for Boldin. If anyone would offered more, we would've take it. It was better than cutting him

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I would like to make a few points here in regards to the Ravens settling for less.

 

1). The AnQuan Boldin Trade:

 

The 49ers clearly robbed us and got the better end of the deal! A measly 6th round pick are you kidding me? Why didn't we get a 2nd and 3rd rounder? That should have been the trade. The 6th round pick we got has not fared out and I don't want to mention his name cause I don't want to call people out. Without AnQuan Boldin we would have not won a Superbowl and becuase of his value to us we should have gotten a 6th round pick.

 

2). The difference between a one time Champion and a Dynasty:

 

The difference between a team that wins a championship every decade vs. a Dynasty is that Dynasties are willing to get Greedy and the regualr champions will settle for less.

 

I'm by no means telling Ozzie how to do his job but we got a shot at being a Dynsaty and Ozzie needs to go for it. So yes I am asking if he can get a little more greedy an aggressive when dealing players. As the great Gordon Gekko says it: "Greed is Good".

 

1). If we have to trade one of our best players due to cap limits, we should accept nothing less than a 2nd round pick and 3rd rounder. Preferrably a 1st rounder if we can get it.

 

2). Get contract extensions done sooner instead of letting them play it out and letting their prices go up. (Torrey and Jimmy for example)

 

3). Never ever settle for less in a trade make sure it's a win-win and not a get the wrong side of the deal!

 

1. No team in the NFL would give up a 2nd and a 3rd for a 31 year old Boldin that costs 7 million. Period.

 

2. Don't even get what you're trying to say here, sorry.

 

1) That's not how the league works. That just plain does not work.

 

2) In most cases, they try to get them done sooner. Takes two to make a signing though and that's the critical part you're forgetting.

 

3) When have we gotten on the wrong side of the deal?

 

So why do the Ravens always settle for less? Well, they don't.

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Oh, and also, what team in their right mind would give up a 2nd and a 3rd for a player that was going to be cut if we couldn't trade him?  We got something rather than nothing.

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1. No team in the NFL would give up a 2nd and a 3rd for a 31 year old Boldin that costs 7 million. Period.

2. Don't even get what you're trying to say here, sorry.

1) That's not how the league works. That just plain does not work.

2) In most cases, they try to get them done sooner. Takes two to make a signing though and that's the critical part you're forgetting.

3) When have we gotten on the wrong side of the deal?

So why do the Ravens always settle for less? Well, they don't.

3) Lee Evans. Other than that...nada

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It takes a team to offer a 2nd and 3rd to get that deal done.  The highest offer was a 6th.  We took the higher offer.  Is it really that difficult to understand?  It wasn't a case of us having a better offer, and accepting a lower one just for the hell of it.  It doesn't work that way.

 

Oh, and also, what team in their right mind would give up a 2nd and a 3rd for a player that was going to be cut if we couldn't trade him?  We got something rather than nothing.

 

 

I think his point was that we shouldn't have gotten rid of him at all if we couldn't get what we would consider fair value.It ties into the whole "settling for less" mentality he's talking about.

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Oh, and also, what team in their right mind would give up a 2nd and a 3rd for a player that was going to be cut if we couldn't trade him?  We got something rather than nothing.

 

Everybody in the NFL knew how valuable Q was to the Ravens. Why shouldn't we have gotten a 2nd rounder at least?

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Everybody in the NFL knew how valuable Q was to the Ravens. Why shouldn't we have gotten a 2nd rounder at least?

 

Because he's over 30 and the team had to take on $6M.

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I really shouldnt post here but,,,,

 

On the subject of dynasties.

List for me how many teams have made six consecutive playoff appearances.....

 

See some teams hit it big and then fizzle to nothing for four or five years.  The Ravens maintain by spending smart and investing well.  Being a dynasty is not a sprint but a marathon.

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i just made a thread about how the fanbase generally is over the emotional part of the boldin trade, and realizes that it was a smart move, and a clutch move that we made in a pinch. we keep boldin for 1 year, and dont get doom, and dont get canty which leads to ngata cody tyson and jones as our only DLineman. we probably dont get daryl smith so we end up with mclellan and josh bynes as our starting ILB's, we also wont be able to make the monroe trade because mckinnie was under contract and we wouldnt have the space to pick up monroes. 

 

we are fielding special teamers as starters all over our defense, we have no franchise LT, which we have searched for for years. 

 

nobody expected pitta to go down, or jacoby, if that doesnt happen, then we have a go to security blanket for flacco, pitta and boldin play the same exact role, same playstyle, except pitta is slightly less strong but much bigger and much more athletic with much more consistent hands, people also seem to forget about boldins cases of the dropsies, he has had quite a few head scratching drops with us. in the long run, pitta is younger, has a better chemistry with joe, and in the long run will probably be much more productive than boldin ever could have been for us. 

 

please people, get over your emotions and look at more than just highlights of our best players, actually learn something about the workings of your franchise, you cant get away with posting rants on these boards if you arent up to date with our front office activity and know what youre posting about.

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Everybody in the NFL knew how valuable Q was to the Ravens. Why shouldn't we have gotten a 2nd rounder at least?

he was going to be cut, nobody was going to offer more than what we got for him, matter of fact i dont even think we were being offered anything by anybody else. we decline that trade, and we cut him and get nothing.

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he was going to be cut, nobody was going to offer more than what we got for him, matter of fact i dont even think we were being offered anything by anybody else. we decline that trade, and we cut him and get nothing.

 

I believe it was reported at the time that we had 3 total offers, the 6th from SF due to their insane plethora of picks each and every year, and the 2 other teams (which I can't recall) both offered a 7th.  We took what we could get instead of getting nothing.  If he was worth more than a 6th, we would have gotten more than a 6th.

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A 31 year old WR with 6 mil on the cap and one year on his contract(so basically a 1 year rental) is not worth a 3rd round pick.

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What's up with all the Boldin threads. This isn't 2013.

But.. But.. It's Q. He's > Jerry Rice Man. And we let him go for a SIXTH ROUND PICK(technically we traded that pick for a higher second rounder)

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Gordon Gekko also served 8 years in prison for insider trading and security fraud. And got a crappy sequel with Shia lawhine.

1. If anyone offered more for Q. We WOULDVE TAKEN IT. A 6th rounder is better than nothing

2. A dynasty is NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION.

We didn't repeat! Wah! Wah! Wah! Boo freakity hoo. We went 8-8 and are "a league worst". We are "rebuilding".

Um. If I recall, we basically traded a 7th rounder for a 6th rounder. That's not settling for less. We got a starting center for a 6th. And traded a 4th, 5th, and 6th for a FRANCHISE LEFT TACKLE.

Yeah. We got something for Boldin. If anyone would offered more, we would've take it. It was better than cutting him

 We could have gotten more for Boldin he just came off a great playoff run and was a huge reason we won the superbowl. I find it hard to believe that out of 31 teams a 6th rounder is the best we could get. I don't think wer'e settling for less like the OP but a 6th for Q was bull.

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We could have gotten more for Boldin he just came off a great playoff run and was a huge reason we won the superbowl. I find it hard to believe that out of 31 teams a 6th rounder is the best we could get. I don't think wer'e settling for less like the OP but a 6th for Q was bull.

You're forgetting the nearly 7 million dollar salary..

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Thats fair I wasn't really considering that.

31 year old that's not an elite WR is not worth that money. Thanks H8R for shortening it. 

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31 year old that's not an elite WR is not worth that money. Thanks H8R for shortening it. 

 

The rookie got put in his place by the hall of famer :(

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The rookie got put in his place by the hall of famer :(

Haha. Welcome to the Boards. You'll fit right in. Another Cali raven fan does us well(I live in San Fran).  

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Lol. You guys. Hey, Marlon Brown scored the same amount of TD's as Boldin. Granted , Marlon didn't have 1100 yards... But he didn't have the chance for 85 catches either. I'm not saying Marlon is better than Q... By no means. I'm just pointing out that some of Q's production WAS replaced with a cheaper ... FAR cheaper option. : )

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I loved Q. I love that we spend to the cap and build through the draft. I love that our players that leave get big pay days we can't afford.

Q was a productive player near the end of his career. He had a big 1-yr check. Who gives up a 1st or 2nd for that? The demand just wasn't there and the supply was so dry to push it there either. We run the offseason as well as anyone. Don't worry.

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We could have gotten more for Boldin he just came off a great playoff run and was a huge reason we won the superbowl. I find it hard to believe that out of 31 teams a 6th rounder is the best we could get. I don't think wer'e settling for less like the OP but a 6th for Q was bull.

I doubt we could. It was a win win. Boldin went to a contender and we got something in return for a player we were going to release anyway..

He also got all his money

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Lol. You guys. Hey, Marlon Brown scored the same amount of TD's as Boldin. Granted , Marlon didn't have 1100 yards... But he didn't have the chance for 85 catches either. I'm not saying Marlon is better than Q... By no means. I'm just pointing out that some of Q's production WAS replaced with a cheaper ... FAR cheaper option. : )

You really need to compare Boldins production with us and he never got 1000 yards.

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What's up with all the Boldin threads. This isn't 2013.

hey hey now i made one, but i wasnt talking about how we should have kept him, i was doing it to see how the boards look at the trade a year later, because i saw it as a smart move, and i thought most of the boards thought otherwise, i was surprised to see most agree with me lol

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In order to form a dynasty you need a franchise QB and you have to continually have great drafts (giving you good cheap young talent). We have the first, but not the 2nd at all. We haven't even had a good draft in like 6 years so it's actually actually pretty amazing we've done this well considering that. I just don't get what building a dynasty has to do with Ozzie being greedy though. And how he hadn't been aggressive enougj

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