Rolando McClain traded to Dallas Cowboys

[MTRavensFan]

It kind've irked me when I first saw that. Why didn't he try here? But I'm glad he's doing good. Hopefully it continues.

He has no place here with Mosley, Brown, Daryl & Bynes. Hopefully Rolando plays a lot of snaps next year and stays out of trouble

 

I think he kind of did try here, but was blown away on that first day by the level of work and commitment it was going to take to even make the team. I think Harbaugh used that conditioning test to mess with his head a little.

 

In Dallas, he can breeze right in and pretty much be guaranteed the starting job without all that effort. I'm with you, I'm hoping he does well.

[berad]

I hope he does well so we get the full 6th rounder. Also, we don't play the Cowboys.

 

Btw, Dallas doesn't have a conditioning test so he went straight from court to the field lol

[Crabcakes&Football]

Just like I thought the Ravens got robbed in the McLain trade. We should have just asked for a conditional 6th rounder instead of swapping.

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-cowboys/post/_/id/4730588/mcclain-makes-good-first-impression

 

We didn't get robbed, His value to us was zero, even if he decided to give it a 3rd "try" here I'm sure we were probably sick of him jerking us around. He wasn't making the team here, no way. If they find value in our trash, good for them, and good for him too. He could make the pro bowl there and I still wouldn't feel bad about this trade.

[Tiz]

I think he kind of did try here, but was blown away on that first day by the level of work and commitment it was going to take to even make the team. I think Harbaugh used that conditioning test to mess with his head a little.

In Dallas, he can breeze right in and pretty much be guaranteed the starting job without all that effort. I'm with you, I'm hoping he does well.

Sad but true

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2014/07/dallas-cowboys-coach-jason-garrett-calls-conditioning-test-a-recipe-for-disaster.html/

[H8R]

Just like I thought the Ravens got robbed in the McLain trade. We should have just asked for a conditional 6th rounder instead of swapping.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-cowboys/post/_/id/4730588/mcclain-makes-good-first-impression

First , who's "McLain"? Secondly? How did we get robbed? He wasn't going to play here... Not with his lack of commitment to football... Couldn't even hang for one practice. We don't need soft butt players like that around here... besides, we have (I hope ) our LB's of the future...

[H8R]

I think he kind of did try here, but was blown away on that first day by the level of work and commitment it was going to take to even make the team. I think Harbaugh used that conditioning test to mess with his head a little.

In Dallas, he can breeze right in and pretty much be guaranteed the starting job without all that effort. I'm with you, I'm hoping he does well.

mess with his head? He came in out of shape, and Harbs was supposed to let that fly? Either you're COMMITED to the team or you won't be on it..

[MTRavensFan]

mess with his head? He came in out of shape, and Harbs was supposed to let that fly? Either you're commuted to the team or you won't be on it..

what I mean is, test his commitment.

 

I think Rolando was probably in relatively OK shape, but it messed with his head how hard it was, the level of effort we expect out of everyone kind of shocked him..

And Harbs WAS willing to give him another chance and come to workouts, it was Rolando who declined.

 

Like berad said, Dallas doesn't even have a conditioning test. What kind of effort does that require?

[H8R]

what I mean is, test his commitment.

I think Rolando was probably in relatively OK shape, but it messed with his head how hard it was, the level of effort we expect out of everyone kind of shocked him..

And Harbs WAS willing to give him another chance and come to workouts, it was Rolando who declined.

Like berad said, Dallas doesn't even have a conditioning test. What kind of effort does that require?

I wouldn't say that's messing with his head... I'd say that's putting things into perspective ..Like "THIS is what it takes to be a Raven" are you willing to "work like a raven?" The answer was clearly NO...

[ravensdan]

It's likely a year later he may have actually gotten some help in his personal life and decided he had to give it one last shot to make it. And Dallas is desperate. Hopefully he rises to the challenge. He was never needed here.

[callahan09]

We upgraded a draft pick in exchange for Rolando McClain?  That's some wizardry, right there.  I'm shocked.  This is awesome!  Haha

[descent into the maelstrom]

Sad but true

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2014/07/dallas-cowboys-coach-jason-garrett-calls-conditioning-test-a-recipe-for-disaster.html/

Jason Garrett might actually be onto something.  The one major injury we've had, Ross, was a torn achilles during a conditioning test.  I can't remember who, Franks maybe, failed the conditioning test but passed a day or two later.  Seems like Jacoby Jones did the same thing last year.  It's not like anyone goes from unfit to fit in a matter of days!  It seems to me that the maybe these tests are risky with no real value.  If someone shows up truly out of shape (McKinnie!), then it would probably be obvious quite quickly with simple observation and no conditioning test required.

 

Can't believe I think the Cowboys are capable of doing anything right!

[Tiz]

Jason Garrett might actually be onto something. The one major injury we've had, Ross, was a torn achilles during a conditioning test. I can't remember who, Franks maybe, failed the conditioning test but passed a day or two later. Seems like Jacoby Jones did the same thing last year. It's not like anyone goes from unfit to fit in a matter of days! It seems to me that the maybe these tests are risky with no real value. If someone shows up truly out of shape (McKinnie!), then it would probably be obvious quite quickly with simple observation and no conditioning test required.

Can't believe I think the Cowboys are capable of doing anything right!

You failed at making a point especially if you're using 1 out of 90 as an attempted point.

Dallas lost sean lee without having a conditioning test done so would you cite that as proof the test is needed? And what does franks 5 attempts have to do with whether or not the test is needed? If anything it's way too soon to draw any conclusions from his test.

[descent into the maelstrom]

You failed at making a point especially if you're using 1 out of 90 as an attempted point.

Dallas lost sean lee without having a conditioning test done so would you cite that as proof the test is needed? And what does franks 5 attempts have to do with whether or not the test is needed? If anything it's way too soon to draw any conclusions from his test.

Well, you failed at math because 90 players didn't take the conditioning test.  I'm certainly not saying there is "proof" in anything.  I'm just pointing out that one does not go from being out of shape to being in shape in a matter of days.  I've never before given any thought to risk in a simple conditioning test, but I find it interesting that at least one NFL head coach believes the risk is not worth taking.  I said Garrett "might" be onto something, not that anything has been proved.  And yes, players get injured when not in conditioning tests.  Thanks for that information that I would not have otherwise been aware of.

[Tiz]

Well, you failed at math because 90 players didn't take the conditioning test. I'm certainly not saying there is "proof" in anything. I'm just pointing out that one does not go from being out of shape to being in shape in a matter of days. I've never before given any thought to risk in a simple conditioning test, but I find it interesting that at least one NFL head coach believes the risk is not worth taking. I said Garrett "might" be onto something, not that anything has been proved. And yes, players get injured when not in conditioning tests. Thanks for that information that I would not have otherwise been aware of.

Assuming 90 men on the roster (maxed at 90 this time of year) all had to take the test is not a math failure

Again you're arguing with no basis to argue on and as a result have now devalued your argument by your opening comment. So feel free to tell us all how many of our roster took the test, how many are required and please again point out that out of that number less than 5% failed.

[757RavensFan]

Assuming 90 men on the roster (maxed at 90 this time of year) all had to take the test is not a math failure

Again you're arguing with no basis to argue on and as a result have now devalued your argument by your opening comment. So feel free to tell us all how many of our roster took the test, how many are required and please again point out that out of that number less than 5% failed.

 

No dog in this fight, but all were not required to take the conditioning test days before camp opened.  I recall reading that those who proved to be in great shape during OTA's and mini camp, weren't required to take the conditioning test. 

[Tiz]

Possibly but the point still remind the injuries during running are such a small percentage that its not proof as to whether he test is good or bad for teams....

[The Raven]

Rolando starting at mike this week.

 

https://twitter.com/drewdavison/status/506500071374852097

[GrimCoconut]

Rolando starting at mike this week.

https://twitter.com/drewdavison/status/506500071374852097

That's great! Hopefully he turns into a 6th for us.

[JO_75]

Full breakdown of the trade.  Lots of conditions as I thought...

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/02/ravens-get-sixth-rounder-only-if-mcclain-plays-half-of-defensive-snaps/

 

Deal in place right now is to swap 7ths in 2016.  McClain has to be on the 46 man active roster 3 times or 53 man roster 5 times for that trade to go through.  If our pick comes before Dallas' in the 7th, the picks don't get swapped.

 

Additionally, if McClain plays 50% of the snaps this year, the trade moves up to the 2015 draft, we get a 6th, and send our 7th.

 

Thankfully for us he is starting this week against the 49ers. So I don't know about the other confusing mumbo jumbo but if he keeps starting we may hit the 50% or more of the snaps played by the end of the year.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/01/rolando-mcclain-to-start-in-the-middle-for-the-cowboys/

[Ravensuperfan1]

the bum 

[GrimCoconut]

I hope McClain does well. I don't hate the guy but he was a luxury.

[Blackbirds Rule]

Cmon 6th round pick let's go

[The Mom Gene]

Cmon 6th round pick let's go

Yeeee-up.  If he succeeds, we get the draft pick.....  You'd think more people would be rooting for him.

[beasy2487]

Well, you failed at math because 90 players didn't take the conditioning test.  I'm certainly not saying there is "proof" in anything.  I'm just pointing out that one does not go from being out of shape to being in shape in a matter of days.  I've never before given any thought to risk in a simple conditioning test, but I find it interesting that at least one NFL head coach believes the risk is not worth taking.  I said Garrett "might" be onto something, not that anything has been proved.  And yes, players get injured when not in conditioning tests.  Thanks for that information that I would not have otherwise been aware of.

 

I think regardless of the points, we're talking about Jason Garrett as a standard bearer for good judgment. Jason Garrett...who(m):

 

A) Believes in Tony Romo

Preferred to coach under Jerry Jones rather than Steve Bisciotti/Ozzie Newsome

C) Is 2 games over .500 as a head coach after 4 seasons (With that 2 game differential coming in the year when he was brought in halfway through the season. Thus, every year he has been the head coach of the team from the beginning of T the team has gone 8-8 in, arguably, the weakest division in football)

D) Is the definition of mediocrity

E) All of the above

 

No matter what he's talking about, I just can't look to Jason Garrett for sound judgment.

[Blackbirds Rule]

Well, you failed at math because 90 players didn't take the conditioning test.  I'm certainly not saying there is "proof" in anything.  I'm just pointing out that one does not go from being out of shape to being in shape in a matter of days.  I've never before given any thought to risk in a simple conditioning test, but I find it interesting that at least one NFL head coach believes the risk is not worth taking.  I said Garrett "might" be onto something, not that anything has been proved.  And yes, players get injured when not in conditioning tests.  Thanks for that information that I would not have otherwise been aware of.

Every teams conditioning tests are different. Franks said this was alot tougher than he ever saw. The conditioning tests are just used  in some cases to see which players worked hard during the off season. I can't remember the last person outside of Ross who was hurt doing our conditioning test.  think Ngata hurt his hammy but that's about it.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Possibly but the point still remind the injuries during running are such a small percentage that its not proof as to whether he test is good or bad for teams....

 

Yea but think his point was if the conditioning test isn't that valuable in either assessing playing shape or getting a player into playing shape - if even one player gets injured doing it its not worth it. Classic risk vs, reward, Could that same player get injured in 1on1 no contact drills? Sure. But that has quantified or at least a perceived value in player development or assessment while running back and forth has absolutely no bearing on a players ability.

[mg90]

That defense....

[berad]

Yea but think his point was if the conditioning test isn't that valuable in either assessing playing shape or getting a player into playing shape - if even one player gets injured doing it its not worth it. Classic risk vs, reward, Could that same player get injured in 1on1 no contact drills? Sure. But that has quantified or at least a perceived value in player development or assessment while running back and forth has absolutely no bearing on a players ability.

 

You're no use in practice if you take a few reps then need a breather. The test shows you are fit enough for practice and, if you don't pass it, then off you go to the treadmill.

 

Putting someone who is out of shape of the field is a disservice to the rest of the team.

[beasy2487]

Yea but think his point was if the conditioning test isn't that valuable in either assessing playing shape or getting a player into playing shape - if even one player gets injured doing it its not worth it. Classic risk vs, reward, Could that same player get injured in 1on1 no contact drills? Sure. But that has quantified or at least a perceived value in player development or assessment while running back and forth has absolutely no bearing on a players ability.

 

Disagree slightly here. The merit of the conditioning test is that it measures a player's work ethic. Work ethic and character are huge parts of the Ravens' philosophy, and although they do not guarantee quality play, our approach dictates that the better all around person someone is, the more likely they are to do what it takes to be great. Considering we won a ring in a year when we were FAR from the most talented team in the tournament, gotta say I trust our philosophy over the Cowboys'.

[Blackbirds Rule]

Disagree slightly here. The merit of the conditioning test is that it measures a player's work ethic. Work ethic and character are huge parts of the Ravens' philosophy, and although they do not guarantee quality play, our approach dictates that the better all around person someone is, the more likely they are to do what it takes to be great. Considering we won a ring in a year when we were FAR from the most talented team in the tournament, gotta say I trust our philosophy over the Cowboys'.

I agree with your entire statement