Top 20 Players (ESPN)

[BmoreBird22]

I mean I don't want to overhype Pro Bowls and numbers, but no way is Joe Flacco the best player on the team. He might be the most valueable but I thought this list was 20 best players on each team. I don't see how you have a guy who hasn't been named a pro bowler above 3 future hall of famers like Suggs, Yanda and Ngata. I would be fine with Joe being a top 5 but they had to of given him number 1 just because he is a QB.

I would be very hesitant to call those three HoF players and more hesitant to call Yanda more talented than Joe. Sure, Ngata and Suggs are, but Yanda makes his money by being a tough, gritty player who works extremely hard at perfecting his craft, not by being the most gifted one out there.

[gabefergy]

Joe is definitely number 1. They got that much right.

[Alexir]

I would be very hesitant to call those three HoF players and more hesitant to call Yanda more talented than Joe. Sure, Ngata and Suggs are, but Yanda makes his money by being a tough, gritty player who works extremely hard at perfecting his craft, not by being the most gifted one out there.

 

What's Joe's talent besides one of the best arms in the league? Not putting him down, just defending Yanda. Yanda is a force out there. Joe doesn't have elite speed (not a scrambler), he's not cerebral (not a field general). Just wonder why you think he is more talented than Yanda.

[BmoreBird22]

What's Joe's talent besides one of the best arms in the league? Not putting him down, just defending Yanda. Yanda is a force out there. Joe doesn't have elite speed (not a scrambler), he's not cerebral (not a field general). Just wonder why you think he is more talented than Yanda.

Joe has all the arm talent you want in a quarterback, is mobile enough to move around, throw on the run, and run when necessary. The cerebral aspect of the game isn't a talent, that's just studying and learning the game. Joe is an extremely talented quarterback.

[SecretAgentMan]

Yanda isn't a hall of famer. You can make a very good case for Ngata an Suggs though.

[Tank 92]

Yanda isn't a hall of famer. You can make a very good case for Ngata an Suggs though.

 

 

Agreed.  And I think this year further solidifies their worthiness. Seems they are both on the right track to getting back to form and destroying some opposing offenses.

[BmoreBird22]

Yanda isn't a hall of famer. You can make a very good case for Ngata an Suggs though.

I couldn't see it for Suggs just yet. He hasn't hit the 100 sack mark and has had several seasons of less than 10 sacks. I realize he does more than rush the quarterback, but that's always been his main job. He'd have to have some great seasons to finish out his career. 

Ngata, if he could ever get back to being healthy and find his form, would be a HoF player no doubt. He's so dominant and changes everything an offensive line does when he's healthy. He just has to get back to form.

[codizzle]

As is now none of them are HOFers at all.. Ngata would need to absolutely get back to complete dominant form and play a few more years... Suggs would have to get some solid numbers for a handful of years and yanda just simply won't make it

[BmoreBird22]

As is now none of them are HOFers at all.. Ngata would need to absolutely get back to complete dominant form and play a few more years... Suggs would have to get some solid numbers for a handful of years and yanda just simply won't make it

Yanda was one of the most dominant guards in the league for a few years. He'd have to return to 2012 form for a few years to have a case, but I feel he could make a case

[gabefergy]

I couldn't see it for Suggs just yet. He hasn't hit the 100 sack mark and has had several seasons of less than 10 sacks. I realize he does more than rush the quarterback, but that's always been his main job. He'd have to have some great seasons to finish out his career. 

Ngata, if he could ever get back to being healthy and find his form, would be a HoF player no doubt. He's so dominant and changes everything an offensive line does when he's healthy. He just has to get back to form.

I see it the other way around. Suggs is a lot closer to being a HoF level player than Ngata. He has a DPOY and is approaching the 100 sack mark which he should easily pass, and has been one of the best run-defenders at his position for his entire career. 120+ sacks is a reasonable expectation by the time he retires which should absolutely put him in the HoF talk.

 

Ngata on the other hand, has really only had a 2-3 year peak where he was one of the most dominant players in football. He's still very good at 30 years old, but he is not the player he was back in 2010-2011 and his career seems to be trending downwards.

[Tank 92]

 

 

Ngata on the other hand, has really only had a 2-3 year peak where he was one of the most dominant players in football. He's still very good at 30 years old, but he is not the player he was back in 2010-2011 and his career seems to be trending downwards.

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-717-Haloti-Ngatas-Cant-Miss-BEASTLY-Workout--Then-Slam-Dunk/ac3d9976-f503-4fb7-b7b2-c52e008a5932

 

Have you seen the videos in this article? Hardly looks like a guy who is thinking about a downward trend to his career. Now that he is healthy and there is again sufficient help on the D line, I think Haloti will return to being a dominant force. 

[The Raven]

Yanda could be a HOFer, but he won't be due to the simple fact that the fantasy football hype has eliminated any attention linemen get. I'm expecting fewer and fewer linemen inductees every year now. Fantasy football takes all the attention away from the line, and that will show in the HOF ballots.

 

To put it simply, he has HOF ability but not HOF recognition. 

[BmoreBird22]

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-717-Haloti-Ngatas-Cant-Miss-BEASTLY-Workout--Then-Slam-Dunk/ac3d9976-f503-4fb7-b7b2-c52e008a5932

 

Have you seen the videos in this article? Hardly looks like a guy who is thinking about a downward trend to his career. Now that he is healthy and there is again sufficient help on the D line, I think Haloti will return to being a dominant force.

I feel like I've heard this story before when he was losing weight, and the next when the move back to the natural nose was supposed to help.... I'm going to wait and see

[BmoreBird22]

I see it the other way around. Suggs is a lot closer to being a HoF level player than Ngata. He has a DPOY and is approaching the 100 sack mark which he should easily pass, and has been one of the best run-defenders at his position for his entire career. 120+ sacks is a reasonable expectation by the time he retires which should absolutely put him in the HoF talk.

 

Ngata on the other hand, has really only had a 2-3 year peak where he was one of the most dominant players in football. He's still very good at 30 years old, but he is not the player he was back in 2010-2011 and his career seems to be trending downwards.

I would pick Suggs out of the duo, also, if I had to pick. Ngata is likely done soon and that doesn't bode well for his resume.

Suggs should get 120+ sacks, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't. He really slowed down a ton down the stretch last year and the injury in 2012 obviously hurt him some. He's gonna have to prove he can get back to the level he was at in 2011 and stay healthy for an entire season. I think he's one of the best run defenders in the league, but that won't garner as much attention as sacks

[BmoreBird22]

I see it the other way around. Suggs is a lot closer to being a HoF level player than Ngata. He has a DPOY and is approaching the 100 sack mark which he should easily pass, and has been one of the best run-defenders at his position for his entire career. 120+ sacks is a reasonable expectation by the time he retires which should absolutely put him in the HoF talk.

 

Ngata on the other hand, has really only had a 2-3 year peak where he was one of the most dominant players in football. He's still very good at 30 years old, but he is not the player he was back in 2010-2011 and his career seems to be trending downwards.

I would pick Suggs out of the duo, also, if I had to pick. Ngata is likely done soon and that doesn't bode well for his resume.

Suggs should get 120+ sacks, but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't. He really slowed down a ton down the stretch last year and the injury in 2012 obviously hurt him some. He's gonna have to prove he can get back to the level he was at in 2011 and stay healthy for an entire season. I think he's one of the best run defenders in the league, but that won't garner as much attention as sacks

[Tank 92]

I feel like I've heard this story before when he was losing weight, and the next when the move back to the natural nose was supposed to help.... I'm going to wait and see

 

lol.......I guess there is no choice but to wait and see. I'll admit The Tongan Beast has been a long time favorite of mine so my optimism is a bit shaded.  

 

Let's revisit this in December.

[Tank 92]

lol.......I guess there is no choice but to wait and see. I'll admit The Tongan Beast has been a long time favorite of mine so my optimism is a bit shaded.  

 

Let's revisit this in December.

 

 

Wasn't paying attention, but it's funny that this was my 5000 post.

 

you go Haloti and GO  

[BmoreBird22]

lol.......I guess there is no choice but to wait and see. I'll admit The Tongan Beast has been a long time favorite of mine so my optimism is a bit shaded.  

 

Let's revisit this in December.

I'm very much hoping he returns to form because he can be such a force

[Tank 92]

I'm very much hoping he returns to form because he can be such a force

 

 

I think his play last year was severely undervalued by some....... not a lot of glory at the NT. Remember Buddy L?

 

Also, think about what happened after he went down in the SB. He's been extremely valuable even though not as dominant as in his early years.

[52520Andrew]

Of the 3, I would go Suggs. Really good run defender with over 100 sacks and a DPOY. Don't know if he does it but seems most of the others to me

[BmoreBird22]

I think his play last year was severely undervalued by some....... not a lot of glory at the NT. Remember Buddy L?

 

Also, think about what happened after he went down in the SB. He's been extremely valuable even though not as dominant as in his early years.

It is a very unglorified position that carries a lot of value, but that doesn't mean tons to the voters. They look for dominant play

[gabefergy]

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-717-Haloti-Ngatas-Cant-Miss-BEASTLY-Workout--Then-Slam-Dunk/ac3d9976-f503-4fb7-b7b2-c52e008a5932

 

Have you seen the videos in this article? Hardly looks like a guy who is thinking about a downward trend to his career. Now that he is healthy and there is again sufficient help on the D line, I think Haloti will return to being a dominant force. 

It's impressive for sure, but his production on the field has been slipping.

[TDubbs]

Yanda could be a HOFer, but he won't be due to the simple fact that the fantasy football hype has eliminated any attention linemen get. I'm expecting fewer and fewer linemen inductees every year now. Fantasy football takes all the attention away from the line, and that will show in the HOF ballots.

 

To put it simply, he has HOF ability but not HOF recognition. 

 

Couldn't agree more with that statement. It's sad that the future (and present) of HOF voting will be predominately based on Fantasy type recognition. The guys who protect the QB's that put up the stats for WR's get no love or recognition. Guy's like Joe Thomas, Yanda, Joe Staley, Jason Peters, do not get the recognition they deserve in terms of HOF potential. 

[Tank 92]

It's impressive for sure, but his production on the field has been slipping.

As I mentioned to BBird, let's revisit this in December.

[codizzle]

Couldn't agree more with that statement. It's sad that the future (and present) of HOF voting will be predominately based on Fantasy type recognition. The guys who protect the QB's that put up the stats for WR's get no love or recognition. Guy's like Joe Thomas, Yanda, Joe Staley, Jason Peters, do not get the recognition they deserve in terms of HOF potential.

Joe staley and joe thomas are close to finalizing HOF careers

Just don't see it with yanda yet.. Not even close yet

[The Raven]

Joe staley and joe thomas are close to finalizing HOF careers

Just don't see it with yanda yet.. Not even close yet

 

Yeah, after looking into it, he's not that close. Most guards in the HOF have around nine or ten Pro Bowls but Yanda only has three. There is one guard in the HOF that only has four Pro Bowls, but he also has four Superbowl wins with the Skins. 

 

I think he could be considered if he gets seven Pro Bowls, but since he's already 29 and he's battled a few injuries, I'm not sure it's likely.

[arnie_uk]

As I mentioned to BBird, let's revisit this in December.

even if he has a bad year you will defend him anyway

[BmoreBird22]

Joe staley and joe thomas are close to finalizing HOF careers

Just don't see it with yanda yet.. Not even close yet

  

Yeah, after looking into it, he's not that close. Most guards in the HOF have around nine or ten Pro Bowls but Yanda only has three. There is one guard in the HOF that only has four Pro Bowls, but he also has four Superbowl wins with the Skins. 

 

I think he could be considered if he gets seven Pro Bowls, but since he's already 29 and he's battled a few injuries, I'm not sure it's likely.

When did Yanda start playing guard? I know he played some tackle, but he's a three straight pro-bowl and all-pro guard, so it's likely could keep going

[codizzle]

When did Yanda start playing guard? I know he played some tackle, but he's a three straight pro-bowl and all-pro guard, so it's likely could keep going

I just don't see a guard from Baltimore going into the HOF.. Especially not as easy as a big market team

Unless it keeps it up into his mid 30's and ends up with 7-8 pro bowls and even better chance if we win another Super Bowl

[BmoreBird22]

I just don't see a guard from Baltimore going into the HOF.. Especially not as easy as a big market team

Unless it keeps it up into his mid 30's and ends up with 7-8 pro bowls and even better chance if we win another Super Bowl

I didn't realize that market was the determining factor in HoF decisions, not the play of the players. And rings also will not be a deciding factor for a guard.

He's going to have to return to form and keep it up for five or more years, but he could make it