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#1 Bullrush

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 01:46 PM

It's a quite month so maybe this will help to get by. The guys at ESPN (Ravens coverage) thought it would be a good idea to do a poll on who our top 20 players are right now. It's pretty odd to see the first 2 names on that list, guys that have yet to play a game in a Ravens uniform. But I think once they do that they'll be very productive for us.

 

http://espn.go.com/b...layer-countdown

 

No. 20: C.J. Mosley

Position: Inside linebacker

Total points: 34.

 

 

No. 19: Owen Daniels

Position: Tight end

Total points: 43.

 

 

No. 18: Marlon Brown

Position: Wide receiver

Total points: 52.

 

 

No. 17: Matt Elam

Position: Strong safety

Total points: 74.

 

 

No. 16: Kelechi Osemele

Position: Guard

Total points: 109.

 

 

No. 15: Jacoby Jones

Position: Wide receiver-returner

Total points: 124.

 

 

No. 14: Eugene Monroe

Position: Offensive tackle

Total points: 177. First-place votes: One.
 

 

 

No. 13: Ray Rice

Position: Running back

Total points: 178.
 

 

 

No. 12: Steve Smith

Position: Wide receiver

Total points: 188.
 

 

 

No. 11: Daryl Smith

Position: Inside linebacker

Total points: 191. First-place votes: Two.
 


Edited by Bullrush, 04 July 2014 - 08:48 AM.

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 03:29 PM

The rest will be revealed in the next few days/weeks. Who will be #1?

 

Depends on if they are ranking players in terms of importance to the teams success, or just best players on the team in general. Importance would have to be Flacco .. if he has a bad year, the Ravens will have a bad year. Best player in general could be either Yanda, Webb or Suggs.  


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 04:39 PM

Depends on if they are ranking players in terms of importance to the teams success, or just best players on the team in general. Importance would have to be Flacco .. if he has a bad year, the Ravens will have a bad year. Best player in general could be either Yanda, Webb or Suggs.


I found this explanation in their ranking system...

How did we come up with these rankings? I polled 18 media members who cover the team, asking them to give me their top 20 players based on talent and not on how valuable they are to the team. I used a simple system where a first-place vote is worth 20 points, a second-place one is 19 points, a third-place one is 18 points, etc.
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Posted 24 June 2014 - 05:05 PM

My opinion... Based on talent level in 2014:

1. Marshal yanda
2. Terrell Suggs
3. Lardarius Webb
3. Joe flacco
4. Elvis dummervil
5. Eugene Monroe
6. Daryl smith
7. Torrey smith
8. Jimmy smith
9. Steve smith
10. Dennis pitta
11. Haloti ngata
12. Jacoby jones
13. Jeremy zuttah
14. Courtney upshaw
15. Kelechi ossemelle
16. Matt Elam
17. Ray rice
18. Owen Daniels
19. Pernell McPhee
20. Ricky Wagner

Notes: I couldn't bring myself to rank kickers with these football players. I expect Wagner to have a really good year at right tackle. McPhee I still think has potential to be a key reserve and contribute. I expect art brown/Mosley and Stewart/brooks and Williams/canty to split a lot of time and none will be top 20 ravens for 2014. It was a tough choice between yanda and Suggs for number one.
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Posted 24 June 2014 - 05:15 PM

I would say that as an average over the coming year, the following will shape out to be our top 20 (negating injury):

 

1-5: Flacco, Suggs, Yanda, Ngata, Jimmy

6-10: Monroe, Webb, K.O., Dumervil, Pitta

11-15: Elam, Rice, Mosley, Steve Smith, Daryl Smith

16-20: Torrey, Zuttah, Art Brown, Canty, Jernigan

 

It gets really sloppy after about 10. 


Edited by hawkprey, 24 June 2014 - 05:15 PM.

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 05:21 PM

1. Yanda
2. Flacco
3. Suggs
4. Monroe
5. Jimmy
6. Webb
7. Dumervil
8. Ngata
9. Torrey
10. Steve
11. Pitta
12. Tucker (kickers are people too and I believe we have the very best).
13. Daryl
14. Osemele
15. Rice

The rest idk
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Posted 24 June 2014 - 05:22 PM

I would say that as an average over the coming year, the following will shape out to be our top 20 (negating injury):

1-5: Flacco, Suggs, Yanda, Ngata, Jimmy
6-10: Monroe, Webb, K.O., Dumervil, Pitta
11-15: Elam, Rice, Mosley, Steve Smith, Daryl Smith
16-20: Torrey, Zuttah, Art Brown, Canty, Jernigan

It gets really sloppy after about 10.


I agree after 10 was tough. I think Webb still belongs ahead of jimmy at corner. And I can't see ngata in the top 5 ravens in 14. As hard as that is he is not close to the monster he was. Injury and apathy are slowing him down. A shame. Jacoby definately belongs on the list. Outside of Suggs and flacco he has the most ability to single handedly win a game for us in multiple ways. That is a good player.
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Posted 24 June 2014 - 05:24 PM

1. Yanda
2. Flacco
3. Suggs
4. Monroe
5. Jimmy
6. Webb
7. Dumervil
8. Ngata
9. Torrey
10. Steve
11. Pitta
12. Tucker (kickers are people too and I believe we have the very best).
13. Daryl
14. Osemele
15. Rice

The rest idk


Seriously though compared to other kickers tucker would be our highest ranked player by position group. Does that make him our "best" player though? This ignoring the kicker is best. At least ours is not an idiot like manning would say.
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Posted 24 June 2014 - 05:26 PM

I agree after 10 was tough. I think Webb still belongs ahead of jimmy at corner. And I can't see ngata in the top 5 ravens in 14. As hard as that is he is not close to the monster he was. Injury and apathy are slowing him down. A shame. Jacoby definately belongs on the list. Outside of Suggs and flacco he has the most ability to single handedly win a game for us in multiple ways. That is a good player.


I know you like Jacoby a lot, but let's slow down there
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Posted 24 June 2014 - 05:49 PM

I know you like Jacoby a lot, but let's slow down there


Not saying he's our third best player but his skills provide the third most impact on a game. Considering returns and big pass plays.
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Posted 24 June 2014 - 05:59 PM

Seriously though compared to other kickers tucker would be our highest ranked player by position group. Does that make him our "best" player though? This ignoring the kicker is best. At least ours is not an idiot like manning would say.

Ay, all I'm saying is if I was in charge of the madden rankings Tucker would be like a 98 lol

I dunno. I personally think kicker is an undervalued position. They could be the difference between wins and losses so I might be a little biased because I know I seem to be in the minority of thinking that. I believe having a "franchise kicker" is very valuable even though a lot of teams like to live and die with veteran floating free agents. Only If you have one with a Stover or Vinatiere caliber though, which I believe we do.

I get what you're saying though, it's tricky for me to say. I don't know where that line would be drawn but I just can't ignore him considering the career he's had thus far.

Like 2-3 years ago when I'd think of Oakland I would think of SeaBass, I don't know if that's just me.

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 06:05 PM

Not saying he's our third best player but his skills provide the third most impact on a game. Considering returns and big pass plays.

Doss had a return TD in limited tries and a 100 yard game against Green Bay, and he was let go. Jacoby isn't a huge improvement over that. You could say Koch has a huge impact on the game too, it's just that it's not difficult to find a specialist.


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 06:29 PM

IMO this is a silly endeavor. Football is a team sport and as we saw with basketball, the best player on the planet can not win a championship by himself, you are only as good as your supporting cast. You could say Flacco and Ngata are the most important, after all, they get paid the most. Or you could say Torrey and Jimmy are the most valuable, after all, they get paid meager wages yet produce much. Who's the most athletic? That doesn't really matter when you're in the trenches with your 300 lbs. Hell, you could look at the Ravens and say we don't have any stars at all on this team....just a roster full of above average football players that make us one heck of team.

 

The top players on this team are the 11 on the field when the whistle sounds. They get my vote.

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 08:29 PM

Not saying he's our third best player but his skills provide the third most impact on a game. Considering returns and big pass plays.


He makes splash plays, but not enough to be the third most impacting player on a game
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Posted 24 June 2014 - 10:42 PM

He makes splash plays, but not enough to be the third most impacting player on a game

I agree, theres no way JJ has a bigger impact than either of the Smiths. He has a big play every now and then in a return or big play but he isnt to be relied upon to do so, he's pretty one dimensional as far as we've seen, a speedster and going deep is just what he does and every now and then we get lucky and he'll be open


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 06:59 AM

Ay, all I'm saying is if I was in charge of the madden rankings Tucker would be like a 98 lol

I dunno. I personally think kicker is an undervalued position. They could be the difference between wins and losses so I might be a little biased because I know I seem to be in the minority of thinking that. 

 

He's got be a 98 lol. I agree w/ that .. So often the Kicker does make the difference in a win. We don't win that Monday Nighter in Detroit without Tucker, and that had a huge impact on our playoff hopes at the time. Cant undervalue a player who puts points on the board most ever game. 


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 12:18 PM

He's got be a 98 lol. I agree w/ that .. So often the Kicker does make the difference in a win. We don't win that Monday Nighter in Detroit without Tucker, and that had a huge impact on our playoff hopes at the time. Cant undervalue a player who puts points on the board most ever game.

Also no Super Bowl 35 without Stover. Patriots dynasty could've looked way different.
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Posted 25 June 2014 - 12:19 PM

Marlon Brown comes in at #18. Not sure what nutcase ranked him in the Top 10.

 

I'd have to say #1 is going to be either Suggs or Yanda. Both guys had some issues with injuries so it could be anyone really. Maybe Flacco or Monroe.

 

No. 18: Marlon Brown

Position: Wide receiver

Total points: 52.

Highest ranking: No. 10. Lowest ranking: Not ranked.

What you need to know: Brown was the best rookie on offense last season, making 49 receptions and catching seven touchdown passes after going undrafted. He won't have to start after the Ravens signed Steve Smith in free agency, but Brown is the favorite to be the team's No. 3 wide receiver.

Where Brown should be ranked: I was one of the seven voters who didn't have Brown in their top 20. Brown has a strong upside, but I don't see him matching the numbers he put up as a rookie. Steve Smith, Torrey Smith, Dennis Pitta and even Owen Daniels should get more passes thrown their way than Brown.

File this away: Brown tied a rookie franchise record with seven touchdowns last season and became the first rookie in team history to score a touchdown in his first two games.

What the Ravens are saying about Brown: “He's a big, strong guy with body control and catch radius. Joe [Flacco] can put the ball around him, and he can make an adjustment and go make the catch, and that's really valuable in the red zone.” -- coach John Harbaugh

 

http://espn.go.com/b...-rankings-no-18


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 06:28 PM

Pretty cool idea. My list would be:

 

1. Joe Flacco

2. Eugene Monroe

3. Terrell Suggs

4. Marshall Yanda

5. Lardarius Webb

6. Elvis Dumervil

7. Haloti Ngata

8. Dennis Pitta

9. Jimmy Smith

10. Torrey Smith

11. Daryl Smith

12. Steve Smith

13. Justin Tucker

14. Kelechi Osemele

15. Chris Canty

16. Ray Rice

17. Arthur Brown

18. Matt Elam

19. Owen Daniels

20. Bernard Pierce

 

I'm not putting any rookies in the top 20 until I have seen them actually play. Jeremy Zuttah is probably in there too, but I haven't seen enough of him to give a fair assessment.

 

It's funny that I have all the Smiths bunched together. That wasn't intentional.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 07:03 PM

He's got be a 98 lol. I agree w/ that .. So often the Kicker does make the difference in a win. We don't win that Monday Nighter in Detroit without Tucker, and that had a huge impact on our playoff hopes at the time. Cant undervalue a player who puts points on the board most ever game. 

I'd make him a 99 tbh. 


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