Trading for Eric Berry a possibility?

[GrimCoconut]

Kurtis Drummond is The Real Deal.

I definitely agree with this. I've been wanting him since last year. I was really disappointed when he didn't declare.

[GrimCoconut]

No....

BUT....Cleats, Brooks and Stewart are Clearly not the answer.

The answer is the same as it ever was.

Back to the Future!

Maybe Elam isn't the answer at FS but I think he could very well be an upgrade at SS over Bernard. I think Elam is at least on par with Pollard if not slightly better and he has room to improve. Value wise perhaps he wasn't the best pick but it happens. We still have years to judge whether or not he was truly a bad pick.

[ravensnick]

I definitely agree with this. I've been wanting him since last year. I was really disappointed when he didn't declare.

That could be a great idea. i think brooks could definitely play nfl CB.

[ravensnick]

No....

 

BUT....Cleats, Brooks and Stewart are Clearly not the answer.

 

The answer is the same as it ever was.

 

Back to the Future!

Stewarts was more than solid while he was healthy for the Rams, Elam may not be the greatest FS, but remember, he wasn't even supposed to start and he is a natural SS. I think he's a top 10 SS this year. Brooks is a rookie with great measurable (4.4 40, decent size, etc.), no reason to trash him yet.

[Drew P]

Stewarts was more than solid while he was healthy for the Rams, Elam may not be the greatest FS, but remember, he wasn't even supposed to start and he is a natural SS. I think he's a top 10 SS this year. Brooks is a rookie with great measurable (4.4 40, decent size, etc.), no reason to trash him yet.

 

Yeah I think people have high expectations set since Reed set the bar so high and Elam and Brooks are midgets BUT Bob Sanders was a midget and he was a hammer.

[Bltravens]

Yeah I think people have high expectations set since Reed set the bar so high and Elam and Brooks are midgets BUT Bob Sanders was a midget and he was a hammer.

Brooks is literally the same height as Reed and Elam is a single inch shorter...

[GrimCoconut]

That could be a great idea. i think brooks could definitely play nfl CB.

Yeah I think Brooks could be a great nickel CB. I think it's full premature to say Brooks can't handle FS but this is all just fun speculation anyway. I think Brooks would have to fail and give them no faith or even have an Arthur Brown situation where we value Drummond so highly we take him despite having Brooks and Elam.

I'd be psyched for Drummond if we draft him. Him and my man Melvin Gordon are my two favorite prospects next year at the moment.

[AsianRice]

This idea is crazier than I'm visiting North Korea as a tourist......

[Drew P]

Brooks is literally the same height as Reed and Elam is a single inch shorter...

3 midgets then ...while the rest of the league is going for height i think people are labeling these guys as busts prematurely

[ravensnick]

3 midgets then ...while the rest of the league is going for height i think people are labeling these guys as busts prematurely

There not midgets, they are about average at 5'11" (brooks, reed) or an inch short at 5'10" (elam). Have a 6'2" safety is nice, but no good if he's not a good player

[Poes Crows]

Can't find the time to address the majority of your post, though I completely disagree with it.  I will respond to the one quoted  point below however.

 

Firstly, we can all agree that a player can develop with time and instruction.  We can say that about all the recent draft picks that haven't risen to expectation or optimism yet.  That said it's important to note that not only was Cleats Elam our first round pick, but also that he was touted by Oz and Company to be an absolute steal.  Oz stated he was a "Top of the Board" player. "Near the Top of his Board". 

 

I've viewed a lot of players but rarely have I seen a top draft pick so thoroughly challenged and outclassed by his contemporaries.  The weaknesses were clearly apparent in his collegiate film.  His play last year completely confirmed how outmatched he is at that position in the NFL.  The only explanation one can offer is that the Front Office did not put adequate time into his evaluation.  Cleats play at safety was so thoroughly abysmal it made the viewer cringe.

 

Cleats will never be able to defend his position in the NFL and if we have to endure another year listening to the sound of "CLANK" as the ball accelerates off his lifeless hands it will be the official indictment of our Front Office.

 

This fan never said Ed Reed was the best he's ever been.  But he still clearly remains better than anything we've currently got.  His ability to lead a defense remains. What we have instead are a group of outmatched and nervous kids that will not be properly positioned when the moment of truth arrives again and again.

 

6-10....you heard it here first.

 

 

 

 

Ok, I know I shouldn't bother but I'm stuck in bed with a bad back today(I hurt it the other day) that canceled my golf game and I'm on whatever drugs that makes me angry but relieve my pain. So forgive me if I'm coming off as rude. 

 

1. Bad rookie season does not equal bad player.

[ravensnick]

Can't find the time to address the majority of your post, though I completely disagree with it.  I will respond to the one quoted  point below however.

 

Firstly, we can all agree that a player can develop with time and instruction.  We can say that about all the recent draft picks that haven't risen to expectation or optimism yet.  That said it's important to note that not only was Cleats Elam was our first round pick, but also that he was touted by Oz and Company to be an absolute steal.  Oz stated he was a "Top of the Board" player. "Near the Top of his Board". 

 

I've viewed a lot of players but rarely have I seen a top draft pick so thoroughly challenged and outclassed by his contemporaries.  The weaknesses were clearly apparent in his collegiate film.  His play last year completely confirmed how outmatched he is at that position in the NFL.  The only explanation one can offer is that the Front Office did not put adequate time into his evaluation.  Cleats play at safety was so thoroughly abysmal it made the viewer cringe.

 

Cleats will never be able to defend his position in the NFL and if we have to endure another year listening to the sound of "CLANK" as the ball accelerates off his lifeless hands it will be the official indictment of our Front Office.

 

This fan never said Ed Reed was the best he's ever been.  But he still clearly remains better than anything we've currently got.  His ability to lead a defense remains. What we have instead are a group of outmatched and nervous kids that will not be properly positioned when the moment of truth arrives again and again.

 

6-10....you heard it here first.

Are we watch the same players? Elam was better than average... as a rookie that was supposed to sit a year behind ihedigibo, but thrust into a foriegn role because of Huff. He didn't even get to play his true position. He was good, for a rookie. But Vaccaro, Reid, Mathieu were straight fire and from his rookie class. I have elam being a standout player and future leader. The kid was playing well at the end of the year. 

[jimjim5]

I definitely agree with this. I've been wanting him since last year. I was really disappointed when he didn't declare.

 

So was I. I was looking for him to be in this years draft. I though the Ravens would be in a great position to get him. He's Jimmy Ward with the measurables. I would still grab him next year if he's there at a value position, regardless of the Brooks acquisition.

[Harry123]

I would happily give up a 2nd 5th 7th and Darian Stewart (or some other deal like that) for him but Webb and a 1st!? U mad bruh!?

[Drew P]

There not midgets, they are about average at 5'11" (brooks, reed) or an inch short at 5'10" (elam). Have a 6'2" safety is nice, but no good if he's not a good player

 

Well stature doesnt matter at all of they are good players but a tall safety sure would sure help against the giant TE's out there...

[rmw10]

Well stature doesnt matter at all of they are good players but a tall safety sure would sure help against the giant TE's out there...

 

That's why we have guys like CJ Mosley and Arthur Brown.

[Drew P]

That's why we have guys like CJ Mosley and Arthur Brown.

 

Yeah i like them both but they wont be on the field together anytime soon and that soft spot in the post route where the LB's cut it off is where the Ravens will be tested

[ravensnick]

Well stature doesnt matter at all of they are good players but a tall safety sure would sure help against the giant TE's out there...

Most safeties are screwed against big and physical TEs unless your 235 6'2" Kam Chacellor.

[Bltravens]

Most safeties are screwed against big and physical TEs unless your 235 6'2" Kam Chacellor.

What an animal he is.

[-Truth-]

Can't find the time to address the majority of your post, though I completely disagree with it.  I will respond to the one quoted  point below however.

 

Firstly, we can all agree that a player can develop with time and instruction.  We can say that about all the recent draft picks that haven't risen to expectation or optimism yet.  That said it's important to note that not only was Cleats Elam our first round pick, but also that he was touted by Oz and Company to be an absolute steal.  Oz stated he was a "Top of the Board" player. "Near the Top of his Board". 

 

I've viewed a lot of players but rarely have I seen a top draft pick so thoroughly challenged and outclassed by his contemporaries.  The weaknesses were clearly apparent in his collegiate film.  His play last year completely confirmed how outmatched he is at that position in the NFL.  The only explanation one can offer is that the Front Office did not put adequate time into his evaluation.  Cleats play at safety was so thoroughly abysmal it made the viewer cringe.

 

Cleats will never be able to defend his position in the NFL and if we have to endure another year listening to the sound of "CLANK" as the ball accelerates off his lifeless hands it will be the official indictment of our Front Office.

 

This fan never said Ed Reed was the best he's ever been.  But he still clearly remains better than anything we've currently got.  His ability to lead a defense remains. What we have instead are a group of outmatched and nervous kids that will not be properly positioned when the moment of truth arrives again and again.

 

6-10....you heard it here first.

I wasn't overly high on Elam's coverage ability when he came out of Florida, but it should be noted that he was playing out of position. He was expected to be used as an in-the-box SS with Michael Huff manning the FS position. Huff underperformed, was released, and Elam was forced into switching positions because James Ihedigbo had even spottier abilities in coverage. He did have his fair share of struggles, but he's likely to fare better at his natural position. Eric Berry is easily one of the best cover Strong Safeties, but I'm not sold that his abilities are a fit as a center-fielder FS. Either way, he would cost a tremendous amount, and the acquisition would not be worth it. The 6-10 prediction is overly harsh. I'm not a fan of handing out predictions, but considering that we've improved this season, the notion of already handing us a worse record than the year before seems unsupported.

[Willbacker]

That's why we have guys like CJ Mosley and Arthur Brown.

I hope they do better than Bart Scott. Can't remember the year but it was Bart's last year and opposing teams just kept throwing those passes up the middle and the receiver would catch it with Bart chasing him looking like he was doing the australian crawl. I actually gave him the name windmill cuz of his arms doing the wild circular motion while he was trying to catch the receiver. Lol.