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Who's the Better Ravens Coach: Billick or Harbaugh?

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Some will no doubt gravitate to one or the other because of the generation they're in.  However, compare the achievements of the 7 BB seasons vs the 6 JH seasons from the different eras. 

 

Which one is the better Ravens coach and why?

 

 

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Really?? I've been around for both of their tenures in full, and it is very clear

Yeah, it's not really a comparison. Harbs has had what Billick searched for his entire tenure. A QB that's not a turnover machine. But even if Billick had said QB, I still don't think he wins because he was just too soft. Although all training camps nowadays seem like Brian's legendary "camp cream puff"... There would be more room for debate if Billick had continued to coach.

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Billick. Less overall talent and still won a SB while keeping the team competitive. ... every other year. Harbaugh inherited a good team, don't care what you all say. He had the perfect blend of vets and young guys to keep things moving and two HOF talents to help mentor, govern and somewhat coach the team while he adjusted. We were stuck with Boller who ruined many a season and the fact it took so long for the defense to finally turn on the offense is astounding.

Try and breathe some damn life into this thread.

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Over all Harbaugh, but Billic was always fun in post game interviews. There was no question he didnt like the media.

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Does this really need a thread. Next somebody gonna make a thread called "Who's better Torrey Smith or Mark Clayton?"

why bash Clayton.. Just why.
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Billick was a good coach, but he had some extremely talented teams that were incredibly inconsistent. A lot of underachieving.

It's easily Harbaugh.

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Billick was a good coach, but he had some extremely talented teams that were incredibly inconsistent. A lot of underachieving.

It's easily Harbaugh.

 

Yes x 100

 

BILLICK is the one who also ruined this team because of his man-love for Boller, as well as allowing that locker room to fall apart the way it did.

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Billick had talent as well. Ray and Ed in their prime winning defensive MVP's.

I knew he was gone in 2007 but I remember being steaming mad when we passed on Garret and Ryan for Harbs......glad to be wrong

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why bash Clayton.. Just why.

 

Implying Torrey is better isn't bashing Clayton, just like implying Harbaugh is better isn't bashing Billick. Just pointing out that the answers to both of those questions were self explanatory.

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I will always respect and appreciate what Brian has done for this franchise/city, but the way he handled this offense was an absolute joke. He never adjusted, his philosophy never changed. It was always run the ball down their throat and play perfect defense to shut offenses down. He ignored our passing game, he never really tried to get it going. That was his philosophy. And it worked as long as our O-Line was elite in terms of run blocking, it worked as long as our defense was young, when all those guys were in their prime. But as they got older it all changed. Brian didn't, his philosophy never changed, he never adjusted. In todays game it's not enough anymore to just run the ball 40 times, let the QB complete 10 balls for 80 yards and make the defense do the rest.

 

Harbs - and it's not even close.

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Billick was an offensive guru without a QB (ie offense) who I think ended up confused on what his role was, he ended up more like a figurehead who couldn't control a team of dominant transcendent players. His worst habit was a complete lack of discipline which resulted in league leading penalties.

 

Harbaugh is very disciplined and runs the team with an iron fist (albeit with petty traits), he almost lost the team during the SB run. Last season he cleaned house and fielded his team and the results weren't great. His worst habit is starting his favorites over better players, which has cost us some games.

 

So while Harbaugh has a better QB but Harbaugh had a better team, both leave a lot to be desired when it comes to things like clock management or even overall coaching acumen.

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Billick was an offensive guru without a QB (ie offense) who I think ended up confused on what his role was, he ended up more like a figurehead who couldn't control a team of dominant transcendent players. His worst habit was a complete lack of discipline which resulted in league leading penalties.

 

Harbaugh is very disciplined and runs the team with an iron fist (albeit with petty traits), he almost lost the team during the SB run. Last season he cleaned house and fielded his team and the results weren't great. His worst habit is starting his favorites over better players, which has cost us some games.

 

So while Harbaugh has a better QB but Harbaugh had a better team, both leave a lot to be desired when it comes to things like clock management or even overall coaching acumen.

100% in agreement. IMHO Harbaugh has the edge because he is the more disciplined coach but that does not mean it has not hurt us at times. I believe that Harbs has not always put our best players on the field, but I actually think he may be becoming more mature with that. I think Kubiak and Harbs may be a good combination. Well lets call it a "positive feeling."

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Billick IMO

he started pretty much from scratch building this team and getting that dominating defense and running game.

id imagine if he had a legit QB he would have accomplished more.

Harbough inheritted that dominating defense and run game and also got lucky we finally landed a pretty darn good QB.

IMO he was at the right place at the right time and he managed to make the most of it.

my knock on him is keeping Cam around to long.

also after last season when he forced castillo on us and the results im still waiting to see how things will turn out.

if harbaugh manages to get us to another SB or a couple more deep play off runs then it would not even be a debate though.

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Billick IMO

he started pretty much from scratch building this team and getting that dominating defense and running game.

id imagine if he had a legit QB he would have accomplished more.

Harbough inheritted that dominating defense and run game and also got lucky we finally landed a pretty darn good QB.

IMO he was at the right place at the right time and he managed to make the most of it.

my knock on him is keeping Cam around to long.

also after last season when he forced castillo on us and the results im still waiting to see how things will turn out.

if harbaugh manages to get us to another SB or a couple more deep play off runs then it would not even be a debate though.

Billick had way better defensive talent with him, yet only managed to make the playoffs four times in his none years here, going one and one twice.

Harbaugh goes his first five years with a rookie quarterback in the first year no less. He also has never been one and done.

By the way, John didn't get lucky to have a good quarterback. He was just actually able to develop him

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100% in agreement. IMHO Harbaugh has the edge because he is the more disciplined coach but that does not mean it has not hurt us at times. I believe that Harbs has not always put our best players on the field, but I actually think he may be becoming more mature with that. I think Kubiak and Harbs may be a good combination. Well lets call it a "positive feeling."

it takes a while for Harbs to improve on his weaknesses as a coach but he DOES improve. He is way better with clock management than his earlier years...(even though Tucker saved him with that 61 yarder at Detroit; seriously he panicked bad there) but for the most part he's been better, now his progression is looking like actually fielding the best team out there. The doghouse is still there but it's not being used as much.

I think he is starting to control his ego a little bit more. Maybe that 8-8 season is what we needed. It seems like the team is way more focused this offseason in comparison to last year.

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it takes a while for Harbs to improve on his weaknesses as a coach but he DOES improve. He is way better with clock management than his earlier years...(even though Tucker saved him with that 61 yarder at Detroit; seriously he panicked bad there) but for the most part he's been better, now his progression is looking like actually fielding the best team out there. The doghouse is still there but it's not being used as much.

I think he is starting to control his ego a little bit more. Maybe that 8-8 season is what we needed. It seems like the team is way more focused this offseason in comparison to last year.

Like the fans, I could see the team feeling very entitled and like they were guaranteed the playoffs each year. It's a big wake up call
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Harbaugh. He has a better talent at keeping the team together and disciplined. In Billick's era the Ravens as a team belonged to the defense. Some of that happened, because we didn't have a legit QB to run the offense, but alot of it happened because Billick let a bunch of players run all over him.

Harbs knows how to push the right buttons with the right players. The small mutiny the Ravens went through during their SB run in 2012/13 is a perfect example. John saw, that he demanded too much from his team, they rebelled and he immediately solved the situation by talking it out. I feel Brian would've lost the team right there.

Nobody's perfect, though. John held on to Cam for too long, slowing down Joe Flacco's development, but even in a rebuilding year in 2013/14, he still managed to keep the team motivated and steared them to an 8-8 record, which is darn impressive considering the exodus of talent that the Ravens went through that year.

 

Overall, Harb's Ravens are a more balanced team, while Billick's was clearly Ray's team and both of their SB runs show that, imho.

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As has been mentioned, it seemed that Billick was just along for the ride.  Harbs has had the difficult task in reforming the Team without the huge amount of talent that Billick had, save the QB position. 

 

Harbs, no question. 

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it takes a while for Harbs to improve on his weaknesses as a coach but he DOES improve. He is way better with clock management than his earlier years...(even though Tucker saved him with that 61 yarder at Detroit; seriously he panicked bad there) but for the most part he's been better, now his progression is looking like actually fielding the best team out there. The doghouse is still there but it's not being used as much.

I think he is starting to control his ego a little bit more. Maybe that 8-8 season is what we needed. It seems like the team is way more focused this offseason in comparison to last year.

That & his whole offensive coaching staff being fired.....

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I think people forget about how good we have had it under Harbs, and how the team was before he got here. You know that you have an excellent franchise/coach/team when 8-8 and barely missing out on the playoffs is considered a major disappointment that makes people start whining to fire the coach. Remember all those years we missed under Billick?? Yeah... I think that answers our question here.

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I think it's quite easily Harbaugh. He has never coached a losing team, ever. Not many guys can say that and certainly Billick can't.

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For all those saying, "Harbs inherited good talent!!"... really?? So, when he got here, he may have had a top defense, but what did that do for them in 2007?? And Flacco/Rice/Torrey/etc. are products of Harbs and company, not Billick. So, please, research your facts.

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