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Ravens to sign CBs Dominique Franks and Aaron Ross

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Figured this was worth it's own thread at this point.  It should create some good competition for the #3 spot.  It'll be curious to see if both end up making the 53, and if so, what that means for UDFAs like Sammy Seamster and Deji Olatoye who have both been very impressive, according to reports.

 

Ravens are adding both Aaron Ross and Dominique Franks to the roster, according to sources

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Im guessing the Chykie making numerous mistakes (as he always does) opens up the roster to find our 3rd CB.

 

Really hoping we find our nickel CB!

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Decent little signings...Franks will likely be a special teamer/depth based on how he has played in the past, while Ross will give Asa Jackson and Chykie  Brown a push for the nickel spot.

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So we are no longer in the running for Flowers... :(

Too many teams are interested in him. At least 10 teams showed interest in him and I think he has already been on a couple of his 5 or 6 team visits that have been set up. At this point it seems he might be too pricey, but you never know...we might still give him a look.

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Shocked Drayton Florence didn't have a better showing, he seemed like a solid player on the Panthers D last year. Guess he's over the hill, Florence also tried out for KC and didn't get signed so that's probably a sign that we made the right evaluation.

 

 

I'm just happy that we got an insurance policy for our young cb's, I think Franks could be nice in that Corey Graham role.

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No surprise to hear about Aaron Ross, and apparently Dominique Franks was really impressive during his tryout.

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Shocked Drayton Florence didn't have a better showing, he seemed like a solid player on the Panthers D last year. Guess he's over the hill, Florence also tried out for KC and didn't get signed so that's probably a sign that we made the right evaluation.

 

 

I'm just happy that we got an insurance policy for our young cb's, I think Franks could be nice in that Corey Graham role.

Think about that front seven, though.

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Think about that front seven, though.

 

Yeah not doubting that the front 7 was a big part of their success but Florence still seemed like a solid enough cb. Seemed like the favorite to get signed after he said he thought he could "help us win" but just wasn't impressive in his try out apparently.

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Ross is a fairly mediocre player but Franks has some upside.

 

Ross has a good amount of experience though.  It's always good to have that around.  One of them may not make the team.

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Ross is a fairly mediocre player but Franks has some upside.

 

I wouldn't say mediocre. Just hasn't had the best circumstances to be successful these last couple years. Signed a nice 5 mil per year contract with the Jags in 2012 and obviously that didn't pan out well playing on an awful defense, with an awful coaching staff on, on an awful team. Got cut when new management took over in Jacksonville as part of a big house cleaning after a 2-14 season, Ross was on an inflated contract to begin with so they parted ways.

 

Then last year he went back to the Giants and got injured very early in the season and never got a chance to show what he had left in the tank. I don't expect him to set the world on fire here but he could be a good depth player, more reliable then Chykie was last year when he had to come in.

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I wouldn't say mediocre. Just hasn't had the best circumstances to be successful these last couple years. Signed a nice 5 mil per year contract with the Jags in 2012 and obviously that didn't pan out well playing on an awful defense, with an awful coaching staff on, on an awful team. Got cut when new management took over in Jacksonville as part of a big house cleaning after a 2-14 season, Ross was on an inflated contract to begin with so they parted ways.

 

Then last year he went back to the Giants and got injured very early in the season and never got a chance to show what he had left in the tank. I don't expect him to set the world on fire here but he could be a good depth player, more reliable then Chykie was last year when he had to come in.

He was on an awful defense and got cut? What makes you think he wasn't part of the problem?

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He was on an awful defense and got cut? What makes you think he wasn't part of the problem?

It could have a lot to do with them just wanting to clean house of all expensive players and start over new with any players who hadn't been a long tenured player who had contributed a ton.

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I hope Franks can prove he has what it takes to be a starter, I expect Ross to be a ST'er. These new signings could be what Asa needs to get more determined to mastering his craft. Good signing.

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He was on an awful defense and got cut? What makes you think he wasn't part of the problem?

 

He got released because he was overpaid and the new management preferred to cut their losses after the 2-14 season, they basically cleaned house of all the over paid players just eating up cap. That doesn't mean Ross wasn't a good player, just means he wasn't worth 5 mil a year, it was a bad contract to begin with.

 

Playing with a bad front 7 is the worst thing that can happen to a cb, hard to look like an effective corner when your just chasing shadows all game because your pass rush isn't getting any pressure. Eventually it starts to kill your morale when your job becomes exponentially harder because of the lack of pass rush.. It's hard to feel good about yourself and be on top of your game when your just demoralized from playing on the worst team in the NFL.

 

Ross has A LOT to prove in camp if he wants to make this roster but it's not fair to call him mediocre, been a victim of circumstance to a  large extent with the Jags stint and the injury last year.

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He got released because he was overpaid and the new management preferred to cut their losses after the 2-14 season, they basically cleaned house of all the over paid players just eating up cap. That doesn't mean Ross wasn't a good player, just means he wasn't worth 5 mil a year, it was a bad contract to begin with.

 

Playing with a bad front 7 is the worst thing that can happen to a cb, hard to look like an effective corner when your just chasing shadows all game because your pass rush isn't getting any pressure. Eventually it starts to kill your morale when your job becomes exponentially harder because of the lack of pass rush.. It's hard to feel good about yourself and be on top of your game when your just demoralized from playing on the worst team in the NFL.

 

Ross has A LOT to prove in camp if he wants to make this roster but it's not fair to call him mediocre, been a victim of circumstance to a  large extent with the Jags stint and the injury last year.

You sure paint the Jags out to be one stink pile of misery. Maybe there's some truth there, but I'd be insulted if I were a Jags fan reading that our team was so bad that our good players were too depressed to play well. Regardless of your feelings for him, Ross will struggle to make our team and I doubt he makes the cut. But it's worth trying, right?

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You sure paint the Jags out to be one stink pile of misery. Maybe there's some truth there, but I'd be insulted if I were a Jags fan reading that our team was so bad that our good players were too depressed to play well. Regardless of your feelings for him, Ross will struggle to make our team and I doubt he makes the cut. But it's worth trying, right?

 

Ross could definitely make it based on experience alone.  Franks doesn't have much more experience than Chykie.  He's got an extra year in there but he's primarily been a STer throughout his career.  He played a grand total of 13 snaps last year on defense.

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Right now these seem like good depth moves. I don't really care that we won't sign Flowers. These 2 players are both pretty good and probably much cheaper.

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I hope Franks can prove he has what it takes to be a starter, I expect Ross to be a ST'er. These new signings could be what Asa needs to get more determined to mastering his craft. Good signing.

I don't think either of these players will start. Webb and Jimmy seem pretty well solidified in those 2 positions. I know Ross has been a primary starter before, but I wouldn't expect him to be put in that role unless Webb or Jimmy gets hurt.

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I don't think either of these players will start. Webb and Jimmy seem pretty well solidified in those 2 positions. I know Ross has been a primary starter before, but I wouldn't expect him to be put in that role unless Webb or Jimmy gets hurt.

 

I think by starter, he means #3 CB, arguably a starter

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Ross could definitely make it based on experience alone.  Franks doesn't have much more experience than Chykie.  He's got an extra year in there but he's primarily been a STer throughout his career.  He played a grand total of 13 snaps last year on defense.

Sounds like Corey Graham's backstory.

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Sounds like Corey Graham's backstory.

 

But we also had much more depth at the time and Graham got his playing time due to injury.  Maybe Franks can be the next Corey Graham.  I'd love it if it were to happen.  I just think it's risky to go into the season with Brown, Franks, and Jackson as the depth.  If Jimmy or Webb get hurt, that's a scary thought.  Ross may not be the best, but having a veteran with large amounts of experience has some hidden value in a young group.

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Hopefully one of them will take over the #3 spot and do decent because I really don't trust Brown/Asa. I think it was stupid not to draft a CB. Now we're relying on some unproven young guys that haven't shown much and a couple of vets that no one else wanted to essentially be a starter on our defense. God forbid one of our top two CB's get injured.

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Signing these guys to the team is all well and good for training camp comp but it's way too early to even consider them making the 53 let along starting in the nickel. Ravens have about 5 legit openings on the team that are up for grabs and CB/S is one area.

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Hopefully one of them will take over the #3 spot and do decent because I really don't trust Brown/Asa. I think it was stupid not to draft a CB. Now we're relying on some unproven young guys that haven't shown much and a couple of vets that no one else wanted to essentially be a starter on our defense. God forbid one of our top two CB's get injured.

Drafting one wouldn't fix the unproven problem at all, and rookies are arguably more unproven than what the Ravens have since both Asa and Brown have at least played in preseason games and what not to get experience. The only rookie worth drafting to immediately contribute and play well would have been Kyle Fuller, in my opinion, but any other is going to have their struggles like the rest

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#1 Jimmy

#2 Webb

#3 Asa

#4 Brown

#5 Ross

 

Not really worried about the corner position anymore if the guys behind Jimmy/Webb play as expected. Asa can probably step in and start if he has to, if one of the two get hurt. Ross is also proven and adds a lot of experience and depth.

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#1 Jimmy

#2 Webb

#3 Asa

#4 Brown

#5 Ross

 

Not really worried about the corner position anymore if the guys behind Jimmy/Webb play as expected. Asa can probably step in and start if he has to, if one of the two get hurt. Ross is also proven and adds a lot of experience and depth.

As much as I would like to see it, Asa hasn't really shown me anything for me to consider him worthy of the #3 spot.

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Well, he was suspended, he didn't really get a chance to prove himself. From what I remember though he looked great in the preseason. And he's making plays right now in camp as well, getting some snaps with the 1st string defense. Let's see how he does in the preseason but I have high hopes for him, I think if he keeps it up he could be the next Corey Graham / Cary Williams and be a starter in about 2 years.

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Well, he was suspended, he didn't really get a chance to prove himself. From what I remember though he looked great in the preseason. And he's making plays right now in camp as well, getting some snaps with the 1st string defense. Let's see how he does in the preseason but I have high hopes for him, I think if he keeps it up he could be the next Corey Graham / Cary Williams and be a starter in about 2 years.

He was suspended for 8 games last season, and didn't do anything when he got back. However I do remember him playing very well in the preseason (he had at least 1 interception in it last year) so hopefully he can compete seriously for a high amount of playing time.

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He was suspended for 8 games last season, and didn't do anything when he got back. However I do remember him playing very well in the preseason (he had at least 1 interception in it last year) so hopefully he can compete seriously for a high amount of playing time.

To be fair, by the time he returned from suspension our top 3 CBs were entrenched and Chykie was playing really good on ST. Kind of hard to come in mid season and take a spot unless you are a vet or a star player.

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Drafting one wouldn't fix the unproven problem at all, and rookies are arguably more unproven than what the Ravens have since both Asa and Brown have at least played in preseason games and what not to get experience. The only rookie worth drafting to immediately contribute and play well would have been Kyle Fuller, in my opinion, but any other is going to have their struggles like the rest

You don't know that. Rookies make big impacts all the time and it doesn't have to be one selected early either. Desmond Trufant (22 overall) was a top 10 CB in football last year. Micah Hyde, a 5th round pick, turned out to be a steal as a very solid nickel guy for the pack. Nickell Robey went undrafted and now he's one of the best slot guys in the league. There's about 4 or 5 others who were more than serviceable as number 3 corners and that's just last year's class. I would have wanted a CB over some of the other guys we selected in this draft, as I hadn't seen much of the couple we had (outside of Jimmy and Webb), but that's just me.

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You don't know that. Rookies make big impacts all the time and it doesn't have to be one selected early either. Desmond Trufant (22 overall) was a top 10 CB in football last year. Micah Hyde, a 5th round pick, turned out to be a steal as a very solid nickel guy for the pack. Nickell Robey went undrafted and now he's one of the best slot guys in the league. There's about 4 or 5 others who were more than serviceable as number 3 corners and that's just last year's class. I would have wanted a CB over some of the other guys we selected in this draft, as I hadn't seen much of the couple we had (outside of Jimmy and Webb), but that's just me.

 

…I'm still mad about us passing on Pierre Desir.

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Hopefully one of them will take over the #3 spot and do decent because I really don't trust Brown/Asa. I think it was stupid not to draft a CB. Now we're relying on some unproven young guys that haven't shown much and a couple of vets that no one else wanted to essentially be a starter on our defense. God forbid one of our top two CB's get injured.

You don't trust our unproven 3rd year guys but you would trust an unproven rookie ?

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Wouldn't it be funny if the corner back with the combined names of two of the worst free agent cbs we've had in the history of our franchise came here as a free agent,turned around what has been an average career and went on to become the best cb we've had in the history of our franchise?

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…I'm still mad about us passing on Pierre Desir.

Same. I wanted him or Devonta Freeman. Either would have been great and I'd be willing to take my chances on Gillmore being there in the 4th. And if he wasn't, I wouldn't have been that disappointed. I thought there were good CB's available throughout though.

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Decent little signings...Franks will likely be a special teamer/depth based on how he has played in the past, while Ross will give Asa Jackson and Chykie  Brown a push for the nickel spot.

I be surprised if Ross didn't win that competition. Ross has been a starting CB before and I see no reason why he can't by a #3 now. Frank will be a ST with potential and he is only 26.

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Same. I wanted him or Devonta Freeman. Either would have been great and I'd be willing to take my chances on Gillmore being there in the 4th. And if he wasn't, I wouldn't have been that disappointed. I thought there were good CB's available throughout though.

désir was taken about 3-5 picks before our one in the 4th. I think it would have ended up being a substantial reach. I think we should have take jaylen watkins at 99, then Gilmore/Lynch at the next pick.

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You don't trust our unproven 3rd year guys but you would trust an unproven rookie ?

No, but I hadn't thought those 3rd and 4th year guys have done that great. Maybe a rookie would do better maybe he won't, but it's another guy who can come in and compete for a spot.

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désir was taken about 3-5 picks before our one in the 4th. I think it would have ended up being a substantial reach. I think we should have take jaylen watkins at 99, then Gilmore/Lynch at the next pick.

I'm talking about our 3rd comp. I don't think it would have been a substantial reach at 99, but that's just my opinion. FWIW I was a big fan of Watkins too and thought that'd be a great pick. Would have been fine with Gillmore/Lynch at the next pick too.

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You don't know that. Rookies make big impacts all the time and it doesn't have to be one selected early either. Desmond Trufant (22 overall) was a top 10 CB in football last year. Micah Hyde, a 5th round pick, turned out to be a steal as a very solid nickel guy for the pack. Nickell Robey went undrafted and now he's one of the best slot guys in the league. There's about 4 or 5 others who were more than serviceable as number 3 corners and that's just last year's class. I would have wanted a CB over some of the other guys we selected in this draft, as I hadn't seen much of the couple we had (outside of Jimmy and Webb), but that's just me.

I wouldn't say all the time. For every Trufant you have a Dee Milliner. Sure, some rookies can play well, but you also get some that are like Jimmy and Revis and need to get their feet wet first. More often than not, cornerback is the least likely position to get any rookie production from. I'll try to find the article if I can, but cornerback are literally the least most contributing rookies

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I wouldn't say all the time. For every Trufant you have a Dee Milliner. Sure, some rookies can play well, but you also get some that are like Jimmy and Revis and need to get their feet wet first. More often than not, cornerback is the least likely position to get any rookie production from. I'll try to find the article if I can, but cornerback are literally the least most contributing rookies

I know there's a lot that don't contribute and most CB's take like 3 years. I just would have liked to try our chances at one. Even if they don't produce in the first year, we could use another long term one IMO.

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I know there's a lot that don't contribute and most CB's take like 3 years. I just would have liked to try our chances at one. Even if they don't produce in the first year, we could use another long term one IMO.

I wanted us to draft a cornerback very badly and was heartbroken when Kyle Fuller got picked, but I'm saying the Ravens probably wouldn't be getting much more for the first year or so than what Brown or Asa would get

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…I'm still mad about us passing on Pierre Desir.

Same. We probably could have waited a round for Gillmore and taken Desir at the end of the 3rd. But... We didn't.

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Same. We probably could have waited a round for Gillmore and taken Desir at the end of the 3rd. But... We didn't.

 

I honestly think Gillmore would had been gone by the time we picked in the fourth round. Alot of people seem to think he was a prospect that was going to be there in fifth or sixth round but that's not the case at all. Even if we had drafted Desir we probably would had end up signing  two veteran cornerbacks any way to add more competition and depth before training camp started .

 

Most rookie cornerbacks aren't ready to start or contribute right away on defense .I think getting a capable blocking tight end that is very important for Gary Kubiak offense by the way  is alot more important than getting a rookie cornerback whom may be just a special teamer in his first year.

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Drafting one wouldn't fix the unproven problem at all, and rookies are arguably more unproven than what the Ravens have since both Asa and Brown have at least played in preseason games and what not to get experience. The only rookie worth drafting to immediately contribute and play well would have been Kyle Fuller, in my opinion, but any other is going to have their struggles like the rest

 

Shocker... lol

 

With that said, I think Verrett and Fuller are you early guys as rookies to watch. There are quite a few guys later although guys like Gilbert and Dennard I don't see having an immediate impact as rookies. It all depends on situation however so we will just have to see.

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Shocker... lol

 

With that said, I think Verrett and Fuller are you early guys as rookies to watch. There are quite a few guys later although guys like Gilbert and Dennard I don't see having an immediate impact as rookies. It all depends on situation however so we will just have to see.

The reason I left Verett off is because he'll be out until August with an injury
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