Ray Rice Suspended 2 Games

[5aiah]

So we are arguing that Rice hasn't taken full responsibility? Who's to say he hasn't? Have you spoken to him personally on the subject? 

 

Obviously, Rice and the Ravens know a lot more of this situation than the general public. I for one think Rice has accepted all responsibility and will CONTINUE to be a great example for people everywhere through his actions. 

 

I like how you just shrug off the criminal justice system like it's nothing and put all the blame on Rice, the Ravens, and the NFL.

 

Puuhhllleeaasseee, if the evidence was there and substantial, Rice would be behind bars.

He certainly hasn't taken responsibility for the public mess he's made and now its getting worse because of the Baltimore Raven PR department, all of this in just 12 hours. I've been checking in and debating during the day and since then people are all of a sudden jumping on our PR department and the way they handled this. There's even a twitter hashtag up bashing them now. Have no idea how you can justify this. This is all Ravens, or is the criminal department responsible for this too. As for evidence and what the Ravens and Rice know, I've touched on all that earlier and it has little to do with what I'm talking about.  

[jimjim5]

The criminal justice system, NFL, Ravens, and his wife have all made their decisions on the matter. The media, fans, players, etc should move on. It's pretty

ridiculous

You know what makes it so ridicious is that Janay and Ray have probably fussed, cussed, and made up in a

good way (if you know what I mean) several times over since the Casino incident and people on here are upset about Rice's punishment and such. Man, if this didn't get top billing they would be soooo over this incident.

Why do you moral police care about holding Rice, the Ravens, and NFL up to some sort of odd standard that doesn't apply in the real world as if it has some kind of effect on you. Crazy.

[arnie_uk]

You know what makes it so ridicious is that Janay and Ray have probably fussed, cussed, and made up in a good way (if you know what I mean) several times over and people on here are upset about Rice's punishment and such. Man, if this didn't get top billing they would be soooo over this incident.

Why do you moral police care about holding Rice, the Ravens, and NFL up to some sort of odd standard that doesn't apply in the real world as if it has some kind of effect on you. Crazy.

dont even go there linking this to the "real world". Id have been sacked from my job if i was ray and im sure you would as well.

[ravensdfan]

Everyone who is per say on Rice side say this. (information we don't have)

What information?

 

If Ray Rice's attorney's had a video of him looking more like a victim or not hitting janay at all but maybe a push, then they would want that out so everyone could see. Why is that so hard to understand? Then all the media would see that is was not Ray hitting Janay but Janay being knocked out by another means!

 

 

Ray Rice would not look so bad then.

 

I already answered this previously - you are deliberately ignoring it.

 

In order to show that evidence, then Janay comes out looking like a thug and a sloppy drunk. (by all reports by those who have seen it). He's a better person for NOT wanting to make that public, not the other way around.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Can the Ravens website just stop running things about Ray for a few weeks?  I understand the sentiment, but seriously anything positive about him will be spun and made to look horrendous.

 

The official Ravens website sharing a video on Facebook of Ray getting a round of applause from our fans today - prooooobably not a great idea.

[ravensdfan]

Can the Ravens website just stop running things about Ray for a few weeks?  I understand the sentiment, but seriously anything positive about him will be spun and made to look horrendous.

 

The official Ravens website sharing a video on Facebook of Ray getting a round of applause from our fans today - prooooobably not a great idea.

 

Why is it not a good idea?

 

The man has been vilified in the media, the court of public opinion, terrorized on twitter, lost 1/2 a million dollars in penalties when all is said and done. If he was a regular Joe, with his background of community service and being a first time offender - he'd have gotten PBJ or nothing but a fine and/or community service hours (nothing near 1/2 million dollars) and went about his life. 

 

This is the only manner fans have to say "we're willing to give you another chance, in light of all you've done for the city and the community".

 

Please let's not act like those fans were cheering him for hitting his wife. That is just absurd.

[lgcs27288]

He certainly hasn't taken responsibility for the public mess he's made and now its getting worse because of the Baltimore Raven PR department, all of this in just 12 hours. I've been checking in and debating during the day and since then people are all of a sudden jumping on our PR department and the way they handled this. There's even a twitter hashtag up bashing them now. Have no idea how you can justify this. This is all Ravens, or is the criminal department responsible for this too. As for evidence and what the Ravens and Rice know, I've touched on all that earlier and it has little to do with what I'm talking about. 

Maybe I'm ignorant here, but what public mess?  Didn't thousands of people just cheer for him? Are they at fault to? Or are we talking about all of the people that follow the media blindly that only pay attention to the talking heads on national media (who put their own spin on it) because they are too lazy to look into the details themselves?

 

I DO think Rice should help out in the community more than he usually does, but he already does that more than most players.

[BmoreBird22]

What about it was poorly researched?

 

And yeah, it's biased, that's what good opinion writing is.

No mention of the later reports that said he pushed her off after she hits him (her attacking first is a big part, and him pushing, not hitting her is big), no mention that they left together so it's not likely he really punched her in the face, no mention of reports that the NFL and Ravens officials saw the video from inside the elevator, so them standing beside him really isn't that crazy

[BmoreBird22]

Didn't the fight occur in the elevator?  At least that was my impression.

Yes, it did

[ratedr]

Just talked about the story again on Inside Edition (and apparently they talked about it on The View).

Again, it's not going away no matter how much people here want it to.

[arnie_uk]

No mention of the later reports that said he pushed her off after she hits him (her attacking first is a big part, and him pushing, not hitting her is big), no mention that they left together so it's not likely he really punched her in the face, no mention of reports that the NFL and Ravens officials saw the video from inside the elevator, so them standing beside him really isn't that crazy

have u any links to him pushing rather than hitting her? Never read any of that apart from what you've said here

[lgcs27288]

have u any links to him pushing rather than hitting her? Never read any of that apart from what you've said here

Where's the bruise of where he punched her if it was so hard?

[lgcs27288]

My "problem" with them (mostly media is what I'm talking about) is that they absolutely drown out anyone taking a contrary position. They've basically made it into a "if you don't agree with me you must be in favor of domestic violence" situation, which is, of course, ridiculous.

To add to that, I think the media is pressured to take that stance to save face for themselves. It's truly unfair to Rice... if it didnt go down the media is playing it out to be.

[jimjim5]

dont even go there linking this to the "real world". Id have been sacked from my job if i was ray and im sure you would as well.

This type of incident would be dead and stinky as soon as both of them were released from jail if Rice was not high profile. With that said, my employer and most peoples employer would even know about the incident, nor your or my personal life. It is not of consequence because iit would have no effect on them.... Because THEY WOULD NEVER KNOW unless your job involves government/clearance, police, or human service.

[arnie_uk]

My "problem" with them (mostly media is what I'm talking about) is that they absolutely drown out anyone taking a contrary position. They've basically made it into a "if you don't agree with me you must be in favor of domestic violence" situation, which is, of course, ridiculous.

while it is ridiculous it is disheartening, from my pov, that so many people seem to be supporting him from immediately after the first report came out that he had been involved in a domestic violence incident right up through being charged, pleading guilty, to now being banned. Surely in there some where there has to be a thought of "he's assaulted a woman in some fashion" here, shouldn't there be?

[arnie_uk]

Where's the bruise of where he punched her if it was so hard?

find me the first picture of her post incident, wasn't it over a month later at the press conference?

[berad]

while it is ridiculous it is disheartening, from my pov, that so many people seem to be supporting him from immediately after the first report came out that he had been involved in a domestic violence incident right up through being charged, pleading guilty, to now being banned. Surely in there some where there has to be a thought of "he's assaulted a woman in some fashion" here, shouldn't there be?

Difference between "support" and "condone"

[arnie_uk]

Difference between "support" and "condone"

im beginning to lose site of the difference from some things I'm reading

[1/28/01]

Ugh, why am I bothering, but as mentioned before, her face would be DESTROYED if an NFL RB socked her in the face hard enough to knock her out.

As some have eluded to, there is A LOT more to this story.

All in favor of locking this topic, say AYE!

[lgcs27288]

find me the first picture of her post incident, wasn't it over a month later at the press conference?

Before I posted that, I did a quick google search to make sure.

 

I didnt see anything, not saying it's not out there.

[Moderator 3]

while it is ridiculous it is disheartening, from my pov, that so many people seem to be supporting him from immediately after the first report came out that he had been involved in a domestic violence incident right up through being charged, pleading guilty, to now being banned. Surely in there some where there has to be a thought of "he's assaulted a woman in some fashion" here, shouldn't there be?

Because it was SO out of character for him. A lot of people thought there must be more to the story than that he just plain decked his (now) wife. What he did was horrible but that does not mean he's a horrible person.

[arnie_uk]

Ugh, why am I bothering, but as mentioned before, her face would be DESTROYED if an NFL RB socked her in the face hard enough to knock her out.

As some have eluded to, there is A LOT more to this story.

All in favor of locking this topic, say AYE!

im actually in favouring of it being locked, I'm fed up arguing at this stage, but you know how it goes.

Just when I thought I was, they pull me back in.

[5aiah]

Maybe I'm ignorant here, but what public mess?  Didn't thousands of people just cheer for him? Are they at fault to? Or are we talking about all of the people that follow the media blindly that only pay attention to the talking heads on national media (who put their own spin on it) because they are too lazy to look into the details themselves?

Thousands of Ravens fans cheered for him yes, but if you are going to claim all of the people outside of Raven nation are blindly following the "media" and don't look into the details(which are widely debated on sites that have nothing to do with sports) you really need to think about what you just said. The public mess I've referred to over and over in this same thread.

[flynismo]

Society doesn't work this way, its impossible.

My point exactly. So clearly, there is some semblance of a moral code in a civilized society. And there are shades of gray, not just black and white. And with that all being said, you seem to believe that Rice's incident falls into the black area, not gray area, and that's what your mistake is.

[Tank 92]

find me the first picture of her post incident, wasn't it over a month later at the press conference?

 

 

my Lord man, use your common sense and realize they would never have been released to go home together if this were a case of RR hitting Janay upside the head! common freaking' sense for God's sake!

[jimjim5]

My point exactly. So clearly, there is some semblance of a moral code in a civilized society. And there are shades of gray, not just black and white. And with that all being said, you seem to believe that Rice's incident falls into the black area, not gray area, and that's what your mistake is.

Excellent analysis.

[Moderator 3]

If the public mess ends up helping put an awareness on the prevelance of domestic abuse and leads to measures to help prevent it, then I'm in favor of the mess.

[flynismo]

Wow...talk about blowing what Stephen A Smith said out of proportion and COMPLETELY mis-hearing what he was saying!

 

I didn't even hear what he said, but I'm willing to bet that, he being a reasonable man, took a nuetral stance, said some things to defend Rice and some things to scold Rice, and the lynch mob is focusing on just parts of what Steve said?

[arnie_uk]

I didn't even hear what he said, but I'm willing to bet that, he being a reasonable man, took a nuetral stance, said some things to defend Rice and some things to scold Rice, and the lynch mob is focusing on just parts of what Steve said?

he said women cause domestic violence from what I read, but he didn't articulate what he meant well

[arnie_uk]

My point exactly. So clearly, there is some semblance of a moral code in a civilized society. And there are shades of gray, not just black and white. And with that all being said, you seem to believe that Rice's incident falls into the black area, not gray area, and that's what your mistake is.

how can you be certain it's his mistake and not yours though?