Ray Rice Suspended 2 Games

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NFL VP wants the Ravens to punish Rice more because people want more and the NFL didn't do that.

Nice face saving NFL.

[5aiah]

5aiah, in my opinion (which I'm aware is worth little to nothing, especially here) you're the only one here that really gets it. Thank you for taking off your purple jersey, temporarily, and telling it like it is.

No I tell it like it is even with my purple jersey on. I find life much easier looking for the truth in things, instead of being overly biased. Thanks for the support.

[rmw10]

I'm not sure this thread will ever die.

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I know First Take is a joke but Stephen A Smith spoke some truth on there and ESPN suspended him for a week.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/07/stephen-a-smith-espn-2

[BmoreBird22]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2145308-the-baltimore-ravens-defense-of-ray-rice-is-indefensible

Maybe we can all unite and agree this article is poorly researched, incredibly biased, and not a good read?

[The Raven]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2145308-the-baltimore-ravens-defense-of-ray-rice-is-indefensible

Maybe we can all unite and agree this article is poorly researched, incredibly biased, and not a good read?

 

What about it was poorly researched?

 

And yeah, it's biased, that's what good opinion writing is.

[D-Rey]

It is my right to know. We fans pay his freaking salary, duh. 

You and I have zero right to know about this personal incident. 

[lgcs27288]

Wow. I'm just really glad you and I are not in the same room together.

Moral behavior is a whole lot easier to determine in my world that it apparently is in yours.

 

Why? Would you be up for some "immoral" behavior?

 

 

The fact is, Roger Goodell, his team, and Ravens officials saw a video that was disclosed to everyone else and Mr. Goodell himself wrote a letter explaining why Ray Rice is only getting a 2 game suspension. If Rice becomes a repeat offender of the policies that the NFL has enforced at this moment, then I am sure he will receive a much severe punishment.

 

I think everyone needs to get off of Goodells back, get off of Rice's back, and start getting on the judge and court that let him go off of probation. Clearly they didnt seem to think Rice's actions were too severe. 

[DWplayer]

No I tell it like it is even with my purple jersey on. I find life much easier looking for the truth in things, instead of being overly biased. Thanks for the support.

Better yet

[D-Rey]

No I tell it like it is even with my purple jersey on. I find life much easier looking for the truth in things, instead of being overly biased. Thanks for the support.

There are two sides to this. Your opinion isn't the right opinion. No opinion is the right opinion. If you look at both sides, there is definitely and argument for both. But whats done is done. Not sure why we are continuing to argue about this. Imo this thread should be closed because I think it has run it's course.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

The criminal justice system, NFL, Ravens, and his wife have all made their decisions on the matter. The media, fans, players, etc should move on. It's pretty ridiculous

[5aiah]

But the problem is, if morality is really objective,  you are trying to force your beliefs about men hitting women on everyone else. Not everyone believes a man should just turn and smile when a woman is hitting him. Which is basically what you are advocating when you said if Rice is more or less innocent in this matter (self defense), then he should accept 100% responsibility AND face additional suspension from the team...."just to send a message". If morality is objective, then we don't need messages from a football team or women's lib activists.

This is so not the point. Society doesn't work this way, its impossible. We all subscribe to an ethical system regardless of the few of us that know morality is objective or those who think their subjective ethical system is better than the one society has deemed the law, because that's how society works. Subjectively I believe our society needed to see Rice and co. handle the situation a lot better and punish himself and really hammer home the fact that domestic violence isn't right in any form and that not even a superstar athlete should get off easy when involved in something like this. Objectively, from discussing this at bars, in classrooms, online, and reading different perspectives and jokes on the aftermath, I know that this drastically changed the opinion many people have of Rice/Ravens/NFL. The problem was that it was all unnecessary and the result of bad crisis control.      

[5aiah]

There are two sides to this. Your opinion isn't the right opinion. No opinion is the right opinion. If you look at both sides, there is definitely and argument for both. But whats done is done. Not sure why we are continuing to argue about this. Imo this thread should be closed because I think it has run it's course.

A lot of what I was discussing wasn't my opinion, I separated the two as often as possible. I was in fact speaking on the side that most in the thread refuse to see, while remaining objective between the two. Before you quote someone you should actually know what they are saying.

[The Raven]

The criminal justice system, NFL, Ravens, and his wife have all made their decisions on the matter. The media, fans, players, etc should move on. It's pretty ridiculous

 

I guess you're missing the part about how this isn't about Rice anymore. The problem right now, at least for me, is how the criminal justice system, the team, and the league were soft in their punishment. 

[izvoodoo]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2145308-the-baltimore-ravens-defense-of-ray-rice-is-indefensible

Maybe we can all unite and agree this article is poorly researched, incredibly biased, and not a good read?

Didn't the fight occur in the elevator?  At least that was my impression.

[lgcs27288]

I guess you're missing the part about how this isn't about Rice anymore. The problem right now, at least for me, is how the team and the league were soft in their punishment. 

What about the Criminal Justice system? Is probation good enough for you on that!? Good Lord people! If you guys want to make a fuss about this, talk about the actual system instead of what some stupid league or team does. SERIOUSLY.

[Inqui]

Didn't the fight occur in the elevator? At least that was my impression.

I'd put money on that, given he dragged her out of it. In fact, without having read the article I'd say the elevator is the most basic part of the story.

[1/28/01]

Wow...talk about blowing what Stephen A Smith said out of proportion and COMPLETELY mis-hearing what he was saying!

[ravens88]

per the deadspin article posted above; "he's accused of punching his then-fiancee, now-wife's lights out in a casino bar full of horrified witnesses, then dragging her unconscious body through the attached hotel." did i miss a key piece of information because i thought it was in a elevator the incident occurred and only a video seen by the justice system and possibly some NFL higher ups has been confirmed....

[5aiah]

What about the Criminal Justice system? Is probation good enough for you on that!? Good Lord people! If you guys want to make a fuss about this, talk about the actual system instead of what some stupid league or team does. SERIOUSLY.

The criminal justice system is a joke at times and this is more about someone taking full responsibility himself and setting a good example going forward THEN the team backing him up and supporting him. 

[The Raven]

What about the Criminal Justice system? Is probation good enough for you on that!? Good Lord people! If you guys want to make a fuss about this, talk about the actual system instead of what some stupid league or team does. SERIOUSLY.

 

Woops, accidentally left that out. That's obviously the bigger problem here! My bad!

[arnie_uk]

"If it was true" is a whole different matter....no doubt.

Just saying that at least we have something to form an opinion on regarding that guy. All we know for sure about Rice is that "he struck her in an elevator"

that last sentence is where our oponions differ. You believe he should be allowed to defend himself if she hit first, I believe a man his size, with his strength, on someone as petite as her, hitting her is excessive force in my eyes.

I strongly believe I could have restrained her, let alone rice. Thats where I differ from you. Yes?

[Purple Nurple]

I keep coming in here and it keeps feeling like I stepped in the same pile of dog poo.

Die thread, die!!!!!

[lgcs27288]

The criminal justice system is a joke at times and this is more about someone taking full responsibility himself and setting a good example going forward THEN the team backing him up and supporting him. 

 

So we are arguing that Rice hasn't taken full responsibility? Who's to say he hasn't? Have you spoken to him personally on the subject? 

 

Obviously, Rice and the Ravens know a lot more of this situation than the general public. I for one think Rice has accepted all responsibility and will CONTINUE to be a great example for people everywhere through his actions. 

 

I like how you just shrug off the criminal justice system like it's nothing and put all the blame on Rice, the Ravens, and the NFL.

 

Puuhhllleeaasseee, if the evidence was there and substantial, Rice would be behind bars.

[arnie_uk]

Woops, accidentally left that out. That's obviously the bigger problem here! My bad!

from what I've read from someone who is in legal albeit in texas, he says that rice got off because he's a first time offender. If he does something similar again its likely jail time etc happens then.

While I beleive people deserve second changes and silly mistakes be made, there is also the other side of the coin where if your not punished hard enough, you will re offend.

[The Raven]

from what I've read from someone who is in legal albeit in texas, he says that rice got off because he's a first time offender. If he does something similar again its likely jail time etc happens then.

While I beleive people deserve second changes and silly mistakes be made, there is also the other side of the coin where if your not punished hard enough, you will re offend.

 

I heard the same thing from a legal person. 

 

I agree here too.

[lgcs27288]

Woops, accidentally left that out. That's obviously the bigger problem here! My bad!

Because what the NFL and Ravens do is so much more important.... 

[The Raven]

Because what the NFL and Ravens do is so much more important.... 

 

What? I clearly just said the justice system is the bigger problem...

[arnie_uk]

I heard the same thing from a legal person.

I agree here too.

alot of people also on this board before the ban was handed down were saying phrases like first time offender, upstanding person etc when prefacing how long they thought he'd get banned for.

I mean everyone is a first time offender once. If first time weed offending was automatic 1 yr ban, instead of like the 5th time you get caught, is that not more likely to stop people using weed in nfl.

Obviously thats a whole different can of worms, but its just reiterating the point that the soft sentence so to speak does show lack of evidence, it shows good grace for what he was, the fact its his first time, and that he does obviously regret it.

Id just rather punishment be handed down on the merit of the case itself, which im sure would lead to harsher sentencing by both the law and nfl.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

I guess you're missing the part about how this isn't about Rice anymore. The problem right now, at least for me, is how the criminal justice system, the team, and the league were soft in their punishment. 

 

Were you at the hearings? Were you at the meetings? Were you given the official testimony?