Brandon Flowers

[supaB]

Dont shoot me.

 

I havent scoured through the post, but I think based on our quality youth on DL, we can make this move.  Cut Canty (frees up over 3M, which would push us close to 8M) and take a stab at Flowers.  Having him on the team allows Pees to play Webb in nickel like he loves to do without having to worry about Chykie or Asa on the outside.

[B-more Ravor]

Dont shoot me.

 

I havent scoured through the post, but I think based on our quality youth on DL, we can make this move.  Cut Canty (frees up over 3M, which would push us close to 8M) and take a stab at Flowers.  Having him on the team allows Pees to play Webb in nickel like he loves to do without having to worry about Chykie or Asa on the outside.

 

Releasing Canty frees up only $2M in Cap space (since we're now after June 1). 

 

Given that they paid him a $500K roster bonus in March, I would expect that they have every intention of keeping him (but you never know, I guess).

[ravensnick]

Dont shoot me.

 

I havent scoured through the post, but I think based on our quality youth on DL, we can make this move.  Cut Canty (frees up over 3M, which would push us close to 8M) and take a stab at Flowers.  Having him on the team allows Pees to play Webb in nickel like he loves to do without having to worry about Chykie or Asa on the outside.

We probably could keep canty and get Flowers. 

[davy_861]

1) Please increase your font size. Thanks.

2) We probably wouldn't have to pay him for than 2-3 million dollars a year.  According to rmw10 we have $4.3 million in cap space, and so we should be able to afford him unless it comes down to a bidding war with a team that has room to burn.

3) Here are 7 teams that NFL.com has listed as the most likely landing spots for Flowers. The Ravens aren't on the list, but I still think we can make it work.

My bad about the font size. I didn't make it that small on purpose. That sucks that the Ravens aren't on that list. I doubt they will make a move.

[JO_75]

Releasing Canty frees up only $2M in Cap space (since we're now after June 1). 

 

Given that they paid him a $500K roster bonus in March, I would expect that they have every intention of keeping him (but you never know, I guess).

 

We'll keep him. Canty's contract ends after 2015 and he is making a reasonable amount of money to avoid being a cap casualty. Plus with the cap going up each year, we could afford Flowers and Canty. 

[radicals]

Would love to get him, but I don't see it happening just yet. I don't think we jump on a corner yet, just don't have a great cap space. We could possibly see cuts of guys like Terrence Cody, Jah Reid or Sam Koch after training camp to make some room.

[Bullrush]

You really think there are 20 teams in the NFL that would offer him a starting CB job? I can't think of many at all. Most teams are pretty set at starting CB at this juncture of the offseason.

 

Well I think it's not gonna matter whether it's 20 teams or 1 team. As long as there is anybody offering him a starting job that's where he'll end up. He'd be stupid to accept a backup role and a small contract from us at this stage of his career if he can get a starting job and a bigger contract from somebody else. He's hitting 30 soon, this is probably the last time he can "cash in". Unless he signs a 1 year deal for 3-4 mil. to establish himself again and then land a big contract next year. But I don't see him doing that as a backup, here. Plus it's time for us to see what Asa can do, I think he can be a good starting corner but he needs to be given a shot at some point to prove himself.

[CapoRocky]

Releasing Canty frees up only $2M in Cap space (since we're now after June 1). 

 

Given that they paid him a $500K roster bonus in March, I would expect that they have every intention of keeping him (but you never know, I guess).

 

Canty is going nowhere this year despite the 2M.  Besides, we need him to help our rookies (Urban and Lewis-Moore) to learn how to play the position before we turn them lose.  I don't think he will be back next year, because cutting him makes more sense with a savings of 2.6M that can be used to sign other players.  Hopefully by then we will have a clear idea if one of these other 2 guys are ready to step in to fill the job or we will have already gone out and gotten another FA.

[rmw10]

Canty is going nowhere this year despite the 2M.  Besides, we need him to help our rookies (Urban and Lewis-Moore) to learn how to play the position before we turn them lose.  I don't think he will be back next year, because cutting him makes more sense with a savings of 2.6M that can be used to sign other players.  Hopefully by then we will have a clear idea if one of these other 2 guys are ready to step in to fill the job or we will have already gone out and gotten another FA.

 

I don't see Canty going unless he's completely outplayed.  Tyson would be the next most experienced DL after Ngata if Canty goes.  I can't see us relying on that many young guys.

[display name]

Would love to get him, but I don't see it happening just yet. I don't think we jump on a corner yet, just don't have a great cap space. We could possibly see cuts of guys like Terrence Cody, Jah Reid or Sam Koch after training camp to make some room.

Cody and Reid have been disappointments so far, so unless they surprise everyone and perform very well in Training Camp and preseason I wouldn't mind seeing them get cut.

[BMORE21]

Brandon Flowers is very underrated.

[Corvus]

If the price was right I would love to see him as a Raven. However, I really doubt it happens for just that reason.

[gabefergy]

Well I think it's not gonna matter whether it's 20 teams or 1 team. As long as there is anybody offering him a starting job that's where he'll end up. He'd be stupid to accept a backup role and a small contract from us at this stage of his career if he can get a starting job and a bigger contract from somebody else. He's hitting 30 soon, this is probably the last time he can "cash in". Unless he signs a 1 year deal for 3-4 mil. to establish himself again and then land a big contract next year. But I don't see him doing that as a backup, here. Plus it's time for us to see what Asa can do, I think he can be a good starting corner but he needs to be given a shot at some point to prove himself.

Nickel corner isn't a backup corner, you don't seem to understand that.

 

I doubt there is any team that signs him guaranteeing him a "starting spot". That's not how the NFL works.

[Bullrush]

Nickel corner isn't a backup corner, you don't seem to understand that.

 

I doubt there is any team that signs him guaranteeing him a "starting spot". That's not how the NFL works.

 

Every nickel corner is a backup. Just like every slot receiver is a backup. You can paint the picture as cute as you want by including the amount of snaps in today's football a nickel corner is getting. Nobody is arguing that nickel corners or slot receivers don't get much playing time, but it still is a backup position whether you want to believe it or not. And that's how the players look at it. Everybody wants to be a #1 or #2 corner, a starter. There's a reason why no nickel corner has ever made the Pro Bowl let alone an All Pro team but I guess you know more about this than the rest in the NFL does. He's not coming here to be the third corner. Guaranteed.

[gabefergy]

Every nickel corner is a backup. Just like every slot receiver is a backup. You can paint the picture as cute as you want by including the amount of snaps in today's football a nickel corner is getting. Nobody is arguing that nickel corners or slot receivers don't get much playing time, but it still is a backup position whether you want to believe it or not. And that's how the players look at it. Everybody wants to be a #1 or #2 corner, a starter. There's a reason why no nickel corner has ever made the Pro Bowl let alone an All Pro team but I guess you know more about this than the rest in the NFL does. He's not coming here to be the third corner. Guaranteed.

This is just completely false. Nickel corners play 700+ snaps a season and are frequnently in the starting line-up. If you do the math that's close to 70% of the total snaps over the course of the year. It's not painting a cute picture, it's the reality of today's NFL. Nickel corner is a vital role for any quality defense.

 

Most defensive lineman play less snaps than a nickel corner, does that mean that they aren't starters? 

 

We'll see where he ends up, and maybe you are right about finding a "starting role", but the teams he has been linked to in the rumor mill are all set with their starting CBs, so maybe you will be eating your guarantee.

[bMore Heathen]

Nickel corner isn't a backup corner, you don't seem to understand that.

I doubt there is any team that signs him guaranteeing him a "starting spot". That's not how the NFL works.

I disagree. Teams like the Lions, Cowboys, Raiders, Texans, Redskins to name a few all have a need for a number 1 or 2 corner, and most have more cap space to work with. He would defiantly see more playing time on any of those teams then he would here, baring injury.

[sflegend89]

Lets sign him with our magical expanding cap space.

 

The salary cap actually is expanding quite a significant amount in the coming years, we could definitely get him under contract if there was mutual interest. That's really the only question more then the money, does he want to come here and are we interested in him? If the answer to both those question is yes then the salary cap isn't holding that deal back.

[Bullrush]

This is just completely false. Nickel corners play 700+ snaps a season and are frequnently in the starting line-up. If you do the math that's close to 70% of the total snaps over the course of the year. It's not painting a cute picture, it's the reality of today's NFL. Nickel corner is a vital role for any quality defense.

 

Most defensive lineman play less snaps than a nickel corner, does that mean that they aren't starters? 

 

We'll see where he ends up, and maybe you are right about finding a "starting role", but the teams he has been linked to in the rumor mill are all set with their starting CBs, so maybe you will be eating your guarantee.

 

You don't seem to understand the issue, or you just simply don't want to understand. A nickel corner is not a starter, it doesn't matter if they happen to be on the field in the 1st play of the game. They'll usually only get on the field if the opposing team happens to line up with 3 receivers as well. And again, it's not about amount of snaps. Slot receivers aren't starters either. You seem to just disagree for the sake of it to show everybody that you're not wrong. Again, how many nickel corners have made the Pro Bowl in the last 10 years? Have they ever even be considered? I don't even think it's possible to vote for them. So again, you're painting a nice picture here. Flowers has been a starter forever, he's not accepting a backup job.

 

And I could care less about what the rumors are. He's been linked to pretty much every team in the NFL. He's being linked to us, based on nothing. The same way he's being linked to every other team based on nothing. You act like his agent has announced the teams he's interested in joining. It's all speculation by bloggers and beat writers at this point, all coming from ONE side (the teams). You're not gonna find reports of what Flowers is doing right now and who he's interested in joining. And that's really the only thing that matters. If Peyton gets cut and the Raiders are interested in him that doesn't mean he's gonna join them or even consider them. But whatever, pointless to argue as you just don't want to give in and stick with whatever your opinion is on this. I look at it from the players perspective. If you were a little more unbiased you'd probably agree with me.

[Bullrush]

I disagree. Teams like the Lions, Cowboys, Raiders, Texans, Redskins to name a few all have a need for a number 1 or 2 corner, and most have more cap space to work with. He would defiantly see more playing time on any of those teams then he would here, baring injury.

 

He'd be a perfect fit in Detroit. Scheme wise, and he'd be their #1 corner, without a question. So I don't see why he'd come here to be our third corner (since people seem to get upset by the word backup). It makes no sense whatsoever. If he does come here, and again I think the odds of us landing Adrian Peterson are about as high, it's gonna prove that he's generating zero buzz around the league and nobody was willing to offer him a job as a #1 or #2 corner or even a decent contract as a #3 corner. And that's just not happening if you look around the league and how many teams are in desperate need of a starting corner.

[flynismo]

This is just completely false. Nickel corners play 700+ snaps a season and are frequnently in the starting line-up. If you do the math that's close to 70% of the total snaps over the course of the year. It's not painting a cute picture, it's the reality of today's NFL. Nickel corner is a vital role for any quality defense.

Most defensive lineman play less snaps than a nickel corner, does that mean that they aren't starters?

We'll see where he ends up, and maybe you are right about finding a "starting role", but the teams he has been linked to in the rumor mill are all set with their starting CBs, so maybe you will be eating your guarantee.

I think that's pretty much his point; starters, regardless of position, don't only play 70% of their teams snaps.

But I think it is pointless to argue over semantics; I think it just comes down to the money...same story as always; will he take a little less to come here, because another team will almost certainly offer him more cash, regardless of whether they view him as a starter or "just a nickel"

[BmoreBird22]

You don't seem to understand the issue, or you just simply don't want to understand. A nickel corner is not a starter, it doesn't matter if they happen to be on the field in the 1st play of the game.

 

They'll usually only get on the field if the opposing team happens to line up with 3 receivers as well. And again, it's not about amount of snaps.

 

Slot receivers aren't starters either.

 

You seem to just disagree for the sake of it to show everybody that you're not wrong. Again, how many nickel corners have made the Pro Bowl in the last 10 years? Have they ever even be considered? I don't even think it's possible to vote for them. So again, you're painting a nice picture here. Flowers has been a starter forever, he's not accepting a backup job.

That's actually the definition of a starter, but okay...

 

I think the amount of snaps is pretty important. I'd rather be a player that gets 70%+ (100% if you're playing the Broncos) of the snaps than someone who's a starter, but gets like 40%, but that's just me. 

 

Anquan Boldin, Danny Amendola, Marques Colston, Julian Edelman, Wes Welker...

 

Well, do you mean nickel as in they cover the slot? Tim Jennings has made it several times and Brandon Flowers even made it last year when he covered a career high percentage of his snaps inside the slot.

[BmoreBird22]

I think that's pretty much his point; starters, regardless of position, don't only play 70% of their teams snaps.

It depends on your position. Defensive lineman will actually play less than that, and while Courtney Upshaw and Dumervil are labeled co-starters, neither plays that high of a percentage of snaps.

[BmoreBird22]

He'd be a perfect fit in Detroit. Scheme wise, and he'd be their #1 corner, without a question. So I don't see why he'd come here to be our third corner (since people seem to get upset by the word backup). It makes no sense whatsoever. 

It's because of the way you're using the term backup. Again, maybe he'd be a "back-up", but you're using it like he would be barely playing, like Tyrod backup. You know that's far from the truth.

So what if he's a nickelback? He'd be getting plenty of snaps.

 

By the way, the Lions have like $1.13 million in cap, whereas the Ravens have $4.3 and players that could be cut for extra cap, like Canty and Koch.

[BmoreBird22]

I disagree. Teams like the Lions, Cowboys, Raiders, Texans, Redskins to name a few all have a need for a number 1 or 2 corner, and most have more cap space to work with. He would defiantly see more playing time on any of those teams then he would here, baring injury.

Out of those teams named, I can only see the Texans as being a better suitor than the Ravens.

 

The Lions have less cap space than the Ravens, I'm pretty sure. I just checked, and I'm pretty sure it was up to date.

 

Raiders have DJ Hayden, who they invested quite a bit in, Terell Brown, and Carlos Rogers. 

 

Redskins re-signed DeAngelo Hall to play outside and the team seems pretty happy with David Amerson. They also have Tracy Porter at the nickel and apparently Breeland is really making a strong impression for the future.

 

The Texans make a lot of sense. Flowers had his best years under Crennel, he'd be playing with a great front seven, and he'd be a starter of Kareem Jackson, for sure. 

[jazz1988]

I disagree. Teams like the Lions, Cowboys, Raiders, Texans, Redskins to name a few all have a need for a number 1 or 2 corner, and most have more cap space to work with. He would defiantly see more playing time on any of those teams then he would here, baring injury.

Well the  Texans don't need a number a 1 or 2 cornerback because they pretty much set with Kareem Jackson and Johnathan Joseph. I think the Redskins don't have enough cap space to target Flowers. The Lions just released one of  their starting cornerbacks to get more cap space in order to sign their first round rookie Eric Ebon but I guess they still could  go after   Flowers. The Raiders have the most cap space out of the fives teams you mentioned and could definitely sign Flowers.

[Bullrush]

It's because of the way you're using the term backup. Again, maybe he'd be a "back-up", but you're using it like he would be barely playing, like Tyrod backup. You know that's far from the truth.

So what if he's a nickelback? He'd be getting plenty of snaps.

 

By the way, the Lions have like $1.13 million in cap, whereas the Ravens have $4.3 and players that could be cut for extra cap, like Canty and Koch.

 

But I'm not talking about playing time. I realize that in today's NFL the nickel corner is playing a lot, just like slot receivers do. But in the classical sense it's a backup job, because you don't line up out there 90-95% of the time. The #1 or #2 corner does. The starting safeties do. The nickel corner only makes it on the field in sub packages, when they substitute players, to match the offense if they line up with more than 2 receivers or a TE split out wide for instance. That's not a true starting job and you know that. Darren Sproles is getting a lot of playing time but he's a backup, he's not a true starting tailback. A backup is not just somebody that doesn't get ANY playing time (Tyrod). To me it's somebody who doesn't line up out there all the time, 90-95% of the time maybe, and only makes it on the field in certain situations. Nickel back, slot receiver, pass rushing specialists (Suggs as a rookie, just because he got a lot of playing time doesn't mean he was a starter), run stuffer (Cody) and so on. Pride is what will keep Flowers from accepting a job as a 3rd corner. But we will see I guess.

[BmoreBird22]

But I'm not talking about playing time. I realize that in today's NFL the nickel corner is playing a lot, just like slot receivers do. But in the classical sense it's a backup job, because you don't line up out there 90-95% of the time. The #1 or #2 corner does. The starting safeties do. The nickel corner only makes it on the field in sub packages, when they substitute players, to match the offense if they line up with more than 2 receivers or a TE split out wide for instance. That's not a true starting job and you know that. Darren Sproles is getting a lot of playing time but he's a backup, he's not a true starting tailback. A backup is not just somebody that doesn't get ANY playing time (Tyrod). To me it's somebody who doesn't line up out there all the time, 90-95% of the time maybe, and only makes it on the field in certain situations. Nickel back, slot receiver, pass rushing specialists (Suggs as a rookie, just because he got a lot of playing time doesn't mean he was a starter), run stuffer (Cody) and so on. Pride is what will keep Flowers from accepting a job as a 3rd corner. But we will see I guess.

I am talking about playing time. Again, I'd rather be a "back-up" that plays 70%+ of snaps than a "starter" who gets rotated out heavily. Sure, maybe he won't see the field on 90% of snaps, but 70% of snaps isn't something to scoff at. 

Cody was technically a starter in his second year.

[BmoreBird22]

So, apparently Corey Graham played almost 65% of Baltimore's snaps this past season. I don't see that number decreasing, and possibly actually increasing this year.

Now, also factor in Jimmy and Webb having some injury history and the history of winning and Baltimore becomes an attractive target

[BloodRaven]

To build on the point Bullrush made we have two corners that play over 90% of the defensive snaps, Corey Graham played 63%. Does anyone seriously think Flowers would want to be a backup when he could be a starter for a cover 2 team? oh yeah, he also doesn't like to play the slot.

[BmoreBird22]

To build on the point Bullrush made we have two corners that play over 90% of the defensive snaps, Corey Graham played 63%. Does anyone seriously think Flowers would want to be a backup when he could be a starter for a cover 2 team? oh yeah, he also doesn't like to play the slot.

Good thing Webb plays the slot

Plus, it's not like the Ravens don't employ a cover 2 man, and Pees is very fond of off man coverage, something Flowers excels at