Brandon Flowers

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We don't have quite that much.  We're sitting at $4.3M.

OK then. It seems we could still afford him though.

[rmw10]

OK then. It seems we could still afford him though.

 

Yeah we could certainly structure it to make it work.

[Moderator 3]

You all might be convincing me. Still, Webb's contract dollars say he should be on the field pretty much every snap.

[Inqui]

You all might be convincing me. Still, Webb's contract dollars say he should be on the field pretty much every snap.

Point but what happens if Webb or Jimmy go down? I can live with our starters but we don't have enough proven guys yet.

Even then, I'd prefer to let quality of play dictate snap count than cap hit. And no reason we can't use all three at once.

If we nab him, I'm doing cartwheels. Forget Winston.

[TDubbs]

Point but what happens if Webb or Jimmy go down? I can live with our starters but we don't have enough proven guys yet.

 

 

You can never have enough corners, and teams use 3 CB's on the field most of the time anyways. We don't have a Corey Graham this year to fall back on like when Webb went down. Flowers is a stone that we cannot leave unturned, its definitely worth a look. 

[Ozzsome]

The only problem I see is that Jimmy is up for a contract too, we already have lardarius on a big contract, Flowers will propably get a big one too and with Jimmy up for a contract we would have 3 big time corners with 3 big time contracts. I don't know if our FO would do that.

 

But if we signed him imagine how much that would help Elam and Brooks

[rmw10]

The only problem I see is that Jimmy is up for a contract too, we already have lardarius on a big contract, Flowers will propably get a big one too and with Jimmy up for a contract we would have 3 big time corners with 3 big time contracts. I don't know if our FO would do that.

 

But if we signed him imagine how much that would help Elam and Brooks

 

In my opinion at least, CB is pretty much the only position in which I'd invest heavily.  It's so hard to find quality CBs.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Oh man I would love it

[Inqui]

You can never have enough corners, and teams use 3 CB's on the field most of the time anyways. We don't have a Corey Graham this year to fall back on like when Webb went down. Flowers is a stone that we cannot leave unturned, its definitely worth a look. 

Yeah for sure. I wrote that other post on my phone so I probably didn't phrase it as well as I could have. You never say no to another quality CB if you can make it work, and I think that's what Flowers is/can be for us.

[codizzle]

Flowers would be an amazing grab but I don't see it happening this early

If we had confidence in dline without can't we could cut him and free up some more space but I don't see it happening with the 4.5ish we have now

[Ozzsome]

In my opinion at least, CB is pretty much the only position in which I'd invest heavily.  It's so hard to find quality CBs.

 

I agree with you, you can never have enough good CBs. I'd do it in a heart beat, I just don't know if our FO will

[rmw10]

Flowers would be an amazing grab but I don't see it happening this early

If we had confidence in dline without can't we could cut him and free up some more space but I don't see it happening with the 4.5ish we have now

 

Dumervil's cap hit was only $2.5M last year.  He got more than Flowers would get.

[Ozzsome]

Flowers would be an amazing grab but I don't see it happening this early

If we had confidence in dline without can't we could cut him and free up some more space but I don't see it happening with the 4.5ish we have now

 

Well I guess Flowers will be looking for a team in the near future. I'll give him about a week until he signs a new contract

[Edgar]

Yeah we could certainly structure it to make it work.

I think we need to consider what it might cost to sign jimmy and Torrey Smith to long term deals at some point. which to me probably makes flowers too expensive. If all of that can happen and somehow we can sign Flowers I'd be all for it.

[codizzle]

Dumervil's cap hit was only $2.5M last year. He got more than Flowers would get.

It could definitely work and I guess I could explain my thoughts better

If we're really content at RT then do it, with the draft additions from past two years our defense would be even faster on it's way to dominance

[sflegend89]

It's a pass happy league, we've all seen how Denver and NE have stocked up on good cb's in FA as well as the draft in Denver's case. If your top 3 on the depth chart at cb your going to be spending a lot of time on the field in today's NFL regardless. I don't think Webb/Jimmy being here already is going to scare off a guy like Flowers if we're interested in signing him, in fact like someone pointed out he would probably play on the outside opposite Jimmy and Webb could play the nickel which caters more to his strengths.

 

I've always felt Webb is more effective lining up against slot wr's then he is being on an island on the outside. If the price is right I actually think Flowers makes a lot of sense for us, we'll just have to see how it plays out over the next couple weeks. Doesn't effect comp picks which is our M.O. in FA and it would remind me a lot of the Dumervil signing from last year if we pull it off.

[codizzle]

I think we need to consider what it might cost to sign jimmy and Torrey Smith to long term deals at some point. which to me probably makes flowers too expensive. If all of that can happen and somehow we can sign Flowers I'd be all for it.

That was kinda my thinking. We don't wanna hurt our chances of sign either one of those guys

OLB will also be an issue in a couple of years if we don't hit on one of our draft picks

[rmw10]

It could definitely work and I guess I could explain my thoughts better

If we're really content at RT then do it, with the draft additions from past two years our defense would be even faster on it's way to dominance

 

I know it's only OTAs, but it really does sounds like we're confident in Wagner and Jensen.

[sflegend89]

If we got Flowers I think it would put us right there with them:

 

Broncos:

Aqib Talib

Chris Harris Jr.

Bradley Roby

Tony Carter

 

Pats:

Darrelle Revis

Brandon Browner

Kyle Arrington

Alfonzo Dennard

[Inqui]

I think we need to consider what it might cost to sign jimmy and Torrey Smith to long term deals at some point. which to me probably makes flowers too expensive. If all of that can happen and somehow we can sign Flowers I'd be all for it.

If he ends up going elsewhere I would understand, as a fair bit does have to happen. But forget RT imo, I hope we at least try for Flowers.

[Gordo52]

I think he'd rather have a longer deal. There's not much question that he simply didn't fit Reid's D last year. I think teams still know how talented he is.

True. I wouldn't mind giving him one as well. Wouldn't surprise me if he ended up in NFC west

[rmw10]

I think we need to consider what it might cost to sign jimmy and Torrey Smith to long term deals at some point. which to me probably makes flowers too expensive. If all of that can happen and somehow we can sign Flowers I'd be all for it.

 

That's certainly something to consider as well.  Looking at our free agents cap for next year though, we could make it work with all 3.  Torrey is literally the only guy I'd want to keep for sure out of our upcoming FA class.  It's possible that we could let him play out his deal since he's really the only priority next year since Jimmy will be under the transition tag for 2015.  Keep in mind that there's money to be saved from Canty and Koch next year, which could be more than enough to cover what Flowers would cost.  That doesn't even include Ngata and the expected cap increase.

[sflegend89]

I think we need to consider what it might cost to sign jimmy and Torrey Smith to long term deals at some point. which to me probably makes flowers too expensive. If all of that can happen and somehow we can sign Flowers I'd be all for it.

 

The salary cap is increasing quite a bit in the coming years, I think we could easily get Flowers under contract without compromising those long term deals if we chose to pursue him. My concern is us not being interested, ozzie is always talking about how excited Chykie and Asa are to compete for the nickel spot and he might feel like he's not giving them a fair shake if he brought in Flowers. But at the end of the day Flowers is actually proven and one of the premiere cb's in the NFL when he's healthy, I hope Ozzie sees that and is trying to put together the best football team possible instead of trying to appease Chykie and Asa's big ambitions. 

[Inqui]

That's certainly something to consider as well. Looking at our free agents cap for next year though, we could make it work with all 3. Torrey is literally the only guy I'd want to keep for sure out of our upcoming FA class. It's possible that we could let him play out his deal since he's really the only priority next year since Jimmy will be under the transition tag for 2015. Keep in mind that there's money to be saved from Canty and Koch next year, which could be more than enough to cover what Flowers would cost. That doesn't even include Ngata and the expected cap increase.

Exactly. I don't want to get too disappointed if we don't end up with him, but Ozzie has made seemingly tougher contracts work.

[rmw10]

Exactly. I don't want to get too disappointed if we don't end up with him, but Ozzie has made seemingly tougher contracts work.

 

Yep.  I'll stay on record saying that I don't expect us to pick up Flowers, but that's because I think he'll find a starting opportunity elsewhere.  It has nothing to do with cap space.  If we want Flowers and he wants to come here, I have no doubts that we'll make it work for now and for the future.

[Edgar]

That's certainly something to consider as well.  Looking at our free agents cap for next year though, we could make it work with all 3.  Torrey is literally the only guy I'd want to keep for sure out of our upcoming FA class.  It's possible that we could let him play out his deal since he's really the only priority next year since Jimmy will be under the transition tag for 2015.  Keep in mind that there's money to be saved from Canty and Koch next year, which could be more than enough to cover what Flowers would cost.  That doesn't even include Ngata and the expected cap increase.

I think it might be wise to get Jimmy done sooner rather than later. His price is likely to sky rocket if he has a pro bowl year and we wait. i agree that torrey is the more immediate and pressing but i don't know about waiting too long.

On a side note; I know we would eat some money but would there be cap ramifications if we were to release canty?

[rmw10]

I think it might be wise to get Jimmy done sooner rather than later. His price is likely to sky rocket if he has a pro bowl year and we wait. i agree that torrey is the more immediate and pressing but i don't know about waiting too long.

On a side note; I know we would eat some money but would there be cap ramifications if we were to release canty?

 

Remember that both Torrey and Jimmy's agent is Rosenhaus.  He's a guy that always tries to milk as much as possible, and if that requires waiting until the FA year, he'll do it.  While it's beneficial for us to get deals done now, it may not be for player and agent who can increase their value with a good year.

 

As for Canty, cutting him this year would save $1.8M.  Next year, it's $2.6M, I believe.

[Edgar]

 

 

As for Canty, cutting him this year would save $1.8M.  Next year, it's $2.6M, I believe.

Thanks

[jazz1988]

And I highly doubt that they'll be as good as Flowers was before his scheme change... If we could get THAT Brandon Flowers then our defense would be a top 5 one.

 

We technically run the same type of scheme the cheifs run. We asked our cornerbacks to play more man coverage since we have such great pass rushers in Suggs and Dumervil. 

[TDubbs]

It's a pass happy league, we've all seen how Denver and NE have stocked up on good cb's in FA as well as the draft in Denver's case. If your top 3 on the depth chart at cb your going to be spending a lot of time on the field in today's NFL regardless. I don't think Webb/Jimmy being here already is going to scare off a guy like Flowers if we're interested in signing him, in fact like someone pointed out he would probably play on the outside opposite Jimmy and Webb could play the nickel which caters more to his strengths.

 

 

100% agree ... Long gone are the days of teams lining up w/ 2 CB's outside. Teams need to line up in at least nickel now w/ 3 CB's on the field. Then you factor in the potential for injuries at CB. Having Flowers and Jimmy outside would be beautiful. Put Webby in the slot w/ his athleticism and knowledge of the game to do anything at the position.