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This will be all the topics we'd like to know about that we haven't gotten any answers about..

 

1. Has Flacco worked on his accuracy? Has he shown that he's been working on it?

 

2. Is Flacco a student of the game? All i hear is how much Peyton and Bradey watch film and study. I've never once heard  that Flacco is a student of the game and studies for hours watching film...smh

 

 

3. What was so special about Jensen last year if he couldn't practice????

 

4. What the heck is going own with John Simon and McPhee??they are hardly talked about???I'd like to hear how they've been doing.

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This will be all the topics we'd like to know about that we haven't gotten any answers about..

 

1. Has Flacco worked on his accuracy? Has he shown that he's been working on it?

 

2. Is Flacco a student of the game? All i hear is how much Peyton and Bradey watch film and study. I've never once heard  that Flacco is a student of the game and studies for hours watching film...smh

 

 

3. What was so special about Jensen last year if he couldn't practice????

 

4. What the heck is going own with John Simon and McPhee??they are hardly talked about???I'd like to hear how they've been doing.

 

1. Not sure. I mean... We're not exactly gonna know until we see him play.

 

2. The "student of the game" crap is just media sensationalism. The media picks and chooses what words and phrases are associated with a player's reputation. It just so happens that Flacco isn't associated with it. Have you ever heard the media call Aaron Rodgers a "student of the game?" I haven't. I've barely even heard the phrase used to describe Drew Brees. 

 

3. Jensen did practice last year. He started practicing shortly after the bye week. What's so special about him? I'm not sure since there's practically zero film out there on him, but the coaches seem to like him and he's a competitor in the RT race.

 

4. The media picks and chooses what to report on and what not to. It just so happens that Simon and McPhee aren't hot topics. Think nothing of it.

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i agree.....but i do think it goes along way with the film watching. I've heard plenty of times about brees and Rogers studying film alot....Just look at jimmy smith he said he started watching alot more film and started figuring out the defense and look how much better he played...Im a big Flacco supporter but i do think he looks lost sometimes and i wonder if that all goes back to film study and knowing what the opponents are throwing at you? Also i think, and this is My own Opinion that Flacco's accuracy should be the number one thing beside understanding the play book we should be hearing about his accuracy as been horrible..yes i know the line was bad but its accuracy was horrible last ear.

 

And with Mcphee right after i look on Bleacher Report and it said Mcphee looks to be in the best shape of his career, and right when i got happy it also said Upshaw was a little over weight still but not like last year..smh he need to control that.

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1.  I'm sure he is.  I'm sure Flacco isn't sitting around thinking "I'm accurate enough right now so I won't try to improve."

 

2.  Who really cares?  Last I checked, Flacco has as many rings as Peyton.  Don't listen to the media.  Not everything that happens behind closed doors is made public.  Knocking Flacco because there aren't reports of him watching film is ridiculous.  Everyone knows damn well that he's putting in film work.

 

3.  None of us know, but the coaches do.  They thought highly of him enough based on very few practices not to IR him so he could practice later.  Obviously they're very high on him.  There's not much information made known to the public about a guy from Colorado State - Pueblo who hasn't participated in practice other than what the coaches have seen.

 

4.  Both are firmly entrenched as backups.  There's really not much more that there is to tell about them.

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i agree.....but i do think it goes along way with the film watching. I've heard plenty of times about brees and Rogers studying film alot....Just look at jimmy smith he said he started watching alot more film and started figuring out the defense and look how much better he played...Im a big Flacco supporter but i do think he looks lost sometimes and i wonder if that all goes back to film study and knowing what the opponents are throwing at you? Also i think, and this is My own Opinion that Flacco's accuracy should be the number one thing beside understanding the play book we should be hearing about his accuracy as been horrible..yes i know the line was bad but its accuracy was horrible last ear.

 

And with Mcphee right after i look on Bleacher Report and it said Mcphee looks to be in the best shape of his career, and right when i got happy it also said Upshaw was a little over weight still but not like last year..smh he need to control that.

 

Obviously film watching is important, and I would bet you a million dollars that Flacco watches more than enough film.

 

As for his accuracy, there's no way to quantify that right now. We're in OTAs. Reports say Flacco is doing great, so I'll just take that for what it is and assume his accuracy has improved. Honestly, I think his accuracy is a little better than most think.

 

As for Upshaw, every other source says that he's not overweight. Literally everyone except Bleacher Report is saying he's not overweight. It's on the team website. It's in The Sun. Harbaugh even said it. Upshaw said he's at the target weight, but he wants to lose even more. 

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I think we should sneak over to Joes house and peak in his windows 24/7 and see what he does when the media is not around.

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I think we should sneak over to Joes house and peak in his windows 24/7 and see what he does when the media is not around.

 

We don't have to peak in.  We'll see him skateboarding in his driveway.

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We don't have to peak in. We'll see him skateboarding in his driveway.

At least he's not working out, doing crunches, in his driveway.
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No talking bad bout Flacco on this site & he doesnt have to get better, he was the superbowl MVP!!!..with one ring just like Pey Pey.........

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1. Why wouldn't he be working on his accuracy. He is a 120 million dollar QB. It is his job to do everything possible to improve year in and year out. That is how you survive in the NFL.

 

2. Like the first question, in order to be a successful QB or NFL player in general, you have to be a student of the game.

 

3. There weren't many options on the O-Line and the coaches wanted to see what Jensen had after his foot was injured. They couldn't do that if he was on injured reserve. The coaches obviously saw something in him to even draft him. Even this year, they want him to compete with Wagner for the RT spot. He's apparently looking good in OTAs.

 

4. John Simon is a second year guy. Ravens defenders generally take a couple years to develop (recently Paul Kruger, Arthur Jones, Jimmy Smith). It's pretty normal that Simon isn't being talked about much. Let him develop. He is a hard worker so I have no doubt that he will be a great player. As for McPhee, injuries slowed him down and coaches experimented with him by putting him at OLB so his name kind of got lost behind all these shiny new players. Hopefully he will reemerge if he works hard and doesn't get injured. When healthy, he is a beast.

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What no one is talking about: our 2nd year players.

So many of them were high ceiling developmental players. Now is the year we start seeing some fruition: who rises to the occasion, and who is bound to be on the bench till next drafts/fa takes their spot.

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At least he's not working out, doing crunches, in his driveway.

Thanks man, I almost spit my drink out all over the keyboard.  Well done. :229031_rofl:

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Well, looks like Preston has your answer here.

 

Joe's struggled a little with his passes because of the changes in footwork. About what I expected, since his 6'6 body isn't exactly built for a quick passing west coast. He's got those long legs that don't exactly make footwork easy.

 

He'll catch on and adapt soon, I guess. 

 

If not, we might have to mix in some more pistol formations to make his drop back easier. 

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What no one is talking about: our 2nd year players.

So many of them were high ceiling developmental players. Now is the year we start seeing some fruition: who rises to the occasion, and who is bound to be on the bench till next drafts/fa takes their spot.

There's a whole thread on that.

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here is what im talkn about...straight from the russell report

 

http://russellstreetreport.com/ota-notes-offensive-line-begins-to-gel/

 

it says despite offense looking pretty good Flacco has not.....Thats where film study and off season work pays off yes he has a new system but it also says Tyrod looks good..so its more that just a system Flacco to me has yet figured out out to be a consistent QB like he doesn't know what to do in certain situations...

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Despite the fact that the offense overall looks sharp in terms of execution, ironically Joe Flacco hasn’t played particularly well. Fundamentally he looks sound, paying more attention to footwork, looking off safeties while refining his ball skills, particularly with play action. But his decision-making and accuracy aren’t yet in synch.

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here is what im talkn about...straight from the russell report

http://russellstreetreport.com/ota-notes-offensive-line-begins-to-gel/

it says despite offense looking pretty good Flacco has not.....Thats where film study and off season work pays off yes he has a new system but it also says Tyrod looks good..so its more that just a system Flacco to me has yet figured out out to be a consistent QB like he doesn't know what to do in certain situations...

That's also written by Tony Lombardi who is well-known by smart people as the worst Ravens beat writer and an over-biased Flacco hater.

Oh yeah, as for the Tyrod bit, he conveniently left out notes about Tyrod's passing and instead focused on his explosiveness in the waggle play, which, if you know football, you'd know it's a PA bootleg pass that gives the QB the option to run.

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What can be talked about that thoroughly? It's OTAs, minimal contact with shorts and shells.

 

It's about getting in shape and acclimated to the offensive and defensive systems. Some technique work and half-speed play walkthroughs.

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on todays late for work: it says Torrey has been learning from Steve Smith bout learning to come back to the ball, and it says he been making catches while closely guarded....that the best news i heard yet...can't wait to see this on game day..It also says Marlon Brown has really been trying to learn from Steve Smith and has been running really good routes, i been reading a few articles that been saying his(Marlon) routes have been really good..excited..

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This will be all the topics we'd like to know about that we haven't gotten any answers about..

 

1. Has Flacco worked on his accuracy? Has he shown that he's been working on it?

 

2. Is Flacco a student of the game? All i hear is how much Peyton and Bradey watch film and study. I've never once heard  that Flacco is a student of the game and studies for hours watching film...smh

 

 

3. What was so special about Jensen last year if he couldn't practice????

 

4. What the heck is going own with John Simon and McPhee??they are hardly talked about???I'd like to hear how they've been doing.

Jensen broke his foot last year and couldn't practice. 

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here is what im talkn about...straight from the russell report

 

http://russellstreetreport.com/ota-notes-offensive-line-begins-to-gel/

 

it says despite offense looking pretty good Flacco has not.....Thats where film study and off season work pays off yes he has a new system but it also says Tyrod looks good..so its more that just a system Flacco to me has yet figured out out to be a consistent QB like he doesn't know what to do in certain situations...

No offense, but the RSR isn't a great source. 

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No offense, but the RSR isn't a great source. 

 

Let's be real here. It's a terrible source for all things Ravens except the salary cap.

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Let's be real here. It's a terrible source for all things Ravens except the salary cap.

Yes completely agreed. Its not even entertaining to read. This website is much better.

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here is what im talkn about...straight from the russell report

 

http://russellstreetreport.com/ota-notes-offensive-line-begins-to-gel/

 

it says despite offense looking pretty good Flacco has not.....Thats where film study and off season work pays off yes he has a new system but it also says Tyrod looks good..so its more that just a system Flacco to me has yet figured out out to be a consistent QB like he doesn't know what to do in certain situations...

I'd suggest not putting so much stock into someone else's opinion. I know that's all we have to go on right now but imo you can't take everyone's opinion as fact because most people don't know how to evaluate a practice or game. It's easy to fault the QB for being late on passes or throwing into coverage, but if you don't truly know how to evaluate the practice and truly understand what each player is meant to do on each play, how do you know the WR wasn't at fault?

Generally with the WCO style offense you focus on timing and anticipation. Because the WRs are learning the offense just like FlaccoI'm sure all there routes aren't perfect. Do they have the right spacing, are they getting open too quick or not quick enough. Also the coaches are still learning the player's strength and weaknesses. So Kubes probably isn't calling plays designed to necessarily win, he's just "installing" the basic concepts of the offense. But of course the defense isn't gonna just sit back and allow plays to be made, so the offense is at a huge disadvantage right now. All of this leads to the QB not looking particularly sharp. Of course his own play has something to do with it.

Now of course I'm not at practice so i don't know what is and because of that i personally don'tput much stock in reports. I wait until i see the guys and form my own opinion. Also in a different report about the same exact practice on the home page, they mentioned despite Jimmy picking off Flacco, Joe came back and got the better of Jimmy with a back shoulder throw to Torrey, it mention how Joe found Smith Sr deep to beat the D for 6, there's actual video of that play. So it's not all bad, but the offense should be expected to have growing pains. I don't think much should be takenaway from OTAs

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here is what im talkn about...straight from the russell report

 

http://russellstreetreport.com/ota-notes-offensive-line-begins-to-gel/

 

it says despite offense looking pretty good Flacco has not.....Thats where film study and off season work pays off yes he has a new system but it also says Tyrod looks good..so its more that just a system Flacco to me has yet figured out out to be a consistent QB like he doesn't know what to do in certain situations...

 

I subcontracted with the owners of that site and converted the site to what it is now a while back; got to know them a little bit during the process. Great people, but I think they lean towards being pessimistic too much for the sake of trying to appear neutral.

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1. Accuracy doesn't tend to get better in the NFL. Quarterbacks have it or they don't. Now, it's up to the coordinator to put that quarterback in a system that maximizes what accuracy the quarterback has.

2. Should we care? I'm sure Joe does watch tape and gets a feel to what to watch for, just like every player in the NFL. Maybe that's not his entire life, but I'm sure he does watch film.

3. Apparently he's looked good at right tackle so far, and his injury wasn't extremely serious

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You wanna know whats not talked about? I have a few points:

 

Backup plans for Suggs and Doom: they are both on the wrong side of 20 and there has been no real emphasis on who will be the back pass rushers when its time for those two to step down.

 

Our real status at FS: we have a mid-round pick and a couple of part time FS who played either SS most of the time or was not a true starter. Given what we have right now, its unsure how the FS is gonna pan out and maybe, just like last year, our 3rd rounder will be called upon early depending on the play of our vet starter.(like last year).

 

I think these are two good questions to start off and figure out first....

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You wanna know whats not talked about? I have a few points:

 

Backup plans for Suggs and Doom: they are both on the wrong side of 20 and there has been no real emphasis on who will be the back pass rushers when its time for those two to step down.

 

Our real status at FS: we have a mid-round pick and a couple of part time FS who played either SS most of the time or was not a true starter. Given what we have right now, its unsure how the FS is gonna pan out and maybe, just like last year, our 3rd rounder will be called upon early depending on the play of our vet starter.(like last year).

 

I think these are two good questions to start off and figure out first....

 

I imagine pass rusher is something we address next year.  Both Suggs and Dumervil probably have at least 2 more years here each, but we'll still need a dynamic pass rusher at some point.  This draft definitely had a severe shortage of adequate rushers, so there were many overdrafts.  I'm not sure we planned on hitting OLB this year, but it's a need down the line a bit, not right now.  It'll certainly be addressed in the next year or two.

 

As for FS, I've been seeing that it's a 3 way battle between Brooks, Stewart, and Miles.  Brooks is still transitioning to the pro game and has had his struggles in OTAs so far.  I imagine that he starts as the backup and eases his way into action as the season goes on.  I imagine he'll be a big player in nickel situations.  From what I've heard, Stewart and Miles have both done very well so far in OTAs.  The team really likes both of them.  Obviously, it's still OTAs and we'll have to see what happens when contact and game action arrives.  Right now though, it sounds like Brooks will start as the backup.

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I imagine pass rusher is something we address next year.  Both Suggs and Dumervil probably have at least 2 more years here each, but we'll still need a dynamic pass rusher at some point.  This draft definitely had a severe shortage of adequate rushers, so there were many overdrafts.  I'm not sure we planned on hitting OLB this year, but it's a need down the line a bit, not right now.  It'll certainly be addressed in the next year or two.

 

As for FS, I've been seeing that it's a 3 way battle between Brooks, Stewart, and Miles.  Brooks is still transitioning to the pro game and has had his struggles in OTAs so far.  I imagine that he starts as the backup and eases his way into action as the season goes on.  I imagine he'll be a big player in nickel situations.  From what I've heard, Stewart and Miles have both done very well so far in OTAs.  The team really likes both of them.  Obviously, it's still OTAs and we'll have to see what happens when contact and game action arrives.  Right now though, it sounds like Brooks will start as the backup.

Its hard to evaluate before the pads come on but I hope their progression continues because I would hate to have a repeat of last year(Denver). I am not too big on OLB in college FB but I do hope that is a 1-4 round priority for the Ravens coming this next draft + FA. 

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