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biggest bust from us?

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Dont we have nine other threads just like this ?

35 others, by my count.

Anyway, Boller is probably number 1 for me, but Kindle and Dan Cody are close behind.

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Hard to throw Kindle in the "Bust" category, when he was impacted by an accident post draft that clearly diminished his skills. He wasn't a horrible athlete miss evaluated by our front office and outclassed by the talent in the league going in.

 

In regard to the later, Matt Elam is clearly a horrendous selection.  Anybody else calling this guy a top of the board selection as our front office did would be drummed out of a job.

 

Going out on the limb just a little with this one, but the view here is that C.J. Mosley has been similarly miss evaluated and certainly has epic potential to crash and burn as spectacularly as our worst disappointments.

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Hard to throw Kindle in the "Bust" category, when he was impacted by an accident post draft that clearly diminished his skills. He wasn't a horrible athlete miss evaluated by our front office and outclassed by the talent in the league going in.

 

In regard to the later, Matt Elam is clearly a horrendous selection.  Anybody else calling this guy a top of the board selection as our front office did would be drummed out of a job.

 

Going out on the limb just a little with this one, but the view here is that C.J. Mosley has been similarly miss evaluated and certainly has epic potential to crash and burn as spectacularly as our worst disappointments.

 

You never give up, do you?

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Boller. Not even close. Dude had Ogden watching his back, and an overall solid OL, Jamal and Heap, and some absurd defenses....and still managed to be one of the worst starting QBs in the game.

And as rmw said, we paid out the rear for that priviledge

 

 As far as I am concerned, there is no reason for this poll/thread. This should be everyone's choice.

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Stop me if you'd heard this before...

Our quarterback doesn't have anyone to protect him, the offensive line is the problem.

Our quarterback has absolutely nobody to throw to.  We must get a "true #1 receiver!"

 

Would you mind explaining to me what this has to do with anything? Is anybody arguing that Flacco is a bust? What are you talking about?

 

Come on man.  If you can't see how bad Boller was, you shouldn't be commenting on here.  And you praise him for "never saying anything" bad?  He was the luckiest guy in the world.  He got to play on a very talented team and held on to the starting job many years longer than he should have.  Why would he say anything?  I wouldn't rock the boat either if I was in that lucky of a situation and yet that bad.  The Head Coach was willing to lose his job for him.... and eventually, he did.  Boller was going to say as little as possible!

 

First of all talk like a person. I've been here on this board and asked to mod this place years before you were even part of it so calm down. You are mixing a bunch of things up in order to prove a point, but it makes no sense at all. We had a talented team, that's true. A team with a great defense and a great running game. Now explain to me how that helps Boller as a QB throwing the ball and avoid being sacked. It doesn't. He had no help around him when it came to throwing the ball, and that's my point. Was he bad? Yes. Was he a bust? Yes. Was he thrown into a great situation here? Of course not. His offensive coordinator was Matt Cavanaugh, arguably the most vanilla coordinator in Ravens history, he had no business running an offense in the NFL. We ran the ball twice on 1st and 2nd down, it that wasn't enough to get a 1st down then Boller had to throw it on 3rd down, so it's kind of hard to produce good numbers there and not get sacked/pressured and not turn the ball over if that's your main job. It just wasn't a situation you'd put a young 1st round QB in.

 

 

I'll agree that Boller had a lot less receiving talent to work with than Flacco has had... but he still didn't need to make the horrible mistakes weekly.  "Just don't turn the ball over" was the motto back then.  And he couldn't do that.

Boller is easily the biggest bust in Ravens history.

 

Boller was never a true turnover machine. Our offense back then just never got anything going, we were unable to move the ball in the passing game. The main reasons were Cavanaugh/Billick that kept this passing game hostage and handcuffed for years, the bad QB play (Boller) combined with awful pass protection from our O-Line.

 

The biggest bust in Ravens history in my opinion has to be Travis Taylor. Nobody really thought Boller was all that good when we drafted him. That pick was out of desperation. Remember, we had 2 1st rounders that year and no QB really. So we traded our next years pick to pick up Boller, at around ~20. In reality he should have gone somewhere between the 2nd and 3rd round but we were desperate for a QB. Taylor however was a top 10 pick for us and he was just flat out awful in every area. He couldn't catch, he couldn't run routes, he was short, he lacked speed, toughness. Just awful. And as a WR it's up to YOU to play well. You don't need a great coordinator, you don't need a great O-Line, you don't need a great QB. You just have to beat your man and catch the balls thrown at you and that's not what he did. As a QB you have to have a foundation, decent pass protection, decent coordinating, maybe a decent running game and a couple of receivers you can count on. But as a WR it's entirely up to you to produce. If you can't catch, if you can't get open you have nobody to blame but yourself. I'll go with Travis Taylor or Lord Dropalot, I think that was his nickname here back then.

 

Anyway, back to my other candidates / honorable mentions:

 

- WR Devard Darling (sad story off the field but on the field he was just garbage)

- OT Adam Terry (he had so much time to get ready, had Ogden coaching him for years, but he was just incredibly bad)

- CB David Pittman (might as well just donated that pick to some other team during the draft, what a waste of a choice he turned out to be)

- WR/KR Yamon Figurs (whoo look at me I can run fast, now what?)

- LB Tavares Gooden (some people actually thought he'd be the next Ray Lewis just because they both went to Miami and had some speed)

- NT Terrence Cody (epitome of underachieving)

- DE/LB Courtney Upshaw (so lazy, doesn't seem to care)

 

Arthur Brown needs to pick it up this year...

 

Incomplete (injuries held them back, who knows what could have been):

- DE/LB Dan Cody

- RB Musa Smith

- WR Demetrius Williams

- DE/LB Sergio Kindle

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In regard to the later, Matt Elam is clearly a horrendous selection.  Anybody else calling this guy a top of the board selection as our front office did would be drummed out of a job.

 

Going out on the limb just a little with this one, but the view here is that C.J. Mosley has been similarly miss evaluated and certainly has epic potential to crash and burn as spectacularly as our worst disappointments.

 

Elam? That's ridiculous...

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Run blocking wasn't the issue. Pass blocking was, so it's kind of harsh throwing Boller under the bus like that as he really didn't have a lot of time in the pocket. We had big maulers up front, Mulitalo, Flynn, Bennie Anderson, Zeus, they were awful when it came to pass protect. Also Kyle did involve Heap heavily, he was a top 3-5 TE during that time I think. Outside of Heap he didn't have anybody to throw the ball to. Randy Hymes, Travis Taylor, Frank Sanders...yuck.

 

That said, he is a bust of course and he didn't even come close to playing up to his potential. A wasted pick. But he really didn't have a lot of help. I always feel like picking his side whenever we discuss busts. I still remember some of our "fans" cheering when he got injured and they had to cart him off the field, that's how much hatred some people had towards him yet he never said a bad thing, always stayed classy and even went beyond that saying he understands those "fans". He was also tough as nails. Can't forget the Chucky face he kept making whenever he took a big shot. He gets up, he's injured/hurt, he sucks it up and keeps going. How can you hate that guy. Can we bring him back please? :)

i never hated kyle boller, and i also cant understand the flat out hatred for him. he wasnt very good, wasnt very smart, and yes, he wasted a few years for our franchise, but that was billicks fault for demanding we trade up for him, and it was also billicks fault for not allowing us to pursue other options until 06 and insisting that boller is our starter. boller had a ton of heart, he took a massive beating every week and got right back up with a smile on his face and went right back to the huddle, knowing the same thing would happen on the next snap. 

 

zero talent besides arm strength, but he had heart through the roof.

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Let me see you get your skull cracked & then become great in the NFL.......

 

It was reported here in Texas before the draft the guy had bum knees...soooo he tumbled literally and then physically. Teams knew he was a dud long before he got toasted and bounced on his coconut.

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It was reported here in Texas before the draft the guy had bum knees...soooo he tumbled literally and then physically. Teams knew he was a dud long before he got toasted and bounced on his coconut.

 

I'm 98% percent sure that our organization would've known of these "bum knees", therefore they wouldn't have wasted a 2nd round pick on him.....

 

Define NFL Bust to me???

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It was reported here in Texas before the draft the guy had bum knees...soooo he tumbled literally and then physically. Teams knew he was a dud long before he got toasted and bounced on his coconut.

 

It was reported here in Baltimore that his knees were cleared (by several teams) and not the problem. ;)

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i never hated kyle boller, and i also cant understand the flat out hatred for him. he wasnt very good, wasnt very smart, and yes, he wasted a few years for our franchise, but that was billicks fault for demanding we trade up for him, and it was also billicks fault for not allowing us to pursue other options until 06 and insisting that boller is our starter. boller had a ton of heart, he took a massive beating every week and got right back up with a smile on his face and went right back to the huddle, knowing the same thing would happen on the next snap. 

 

zero talent besides arm strength, but he had heart through the roof.

 

I agree 100%

I was a Boller fan till the very end.  Yes he tripped over his own two feet more often than not.  Yes he read defenses like a blind person reads an owners manual for a hedge trimmer.  Yes he had the accuracy of a drunk chimpanzee wearing Chinese finger cuffs. But hit after hit, he got up and got back in the huddle.  He was always cool in post game interviews.  As far as I know he was always cool to the fans.

Mostly though, every now and then, some times for more than one play in a row he got it all right and then he got it ALL right.

One quick and easy way to hush the Boller haters is to remind them of the game against the undefeated Patriots.   Who here went into that game and expected no less than a 21 point loss for the Ravens.  Boller played out of his mind that night.    That wasnt his only great moment, he had more than a few, just not a whole lot.

No, I dont get the hate either.  Disappointment for sure.  For all that was riding on him I get the disappointment.  Kyle might be the highest profile bust, but he is not the biggest.  I can say we have had worse QB's for sure.  Far worse draft picks. 

Yeah.  I am a Kyle Boller fan.

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I agree 100%

I was a Boller fan till the very end.  Yes he tripped over his own two feet more often than not.  Yes he read defenses like a blind person reads an owners manual for a hedge trimmer.  Yes he had the accuracy of a drunk chimpanzee wearing Chinese finger cuffs. But hit after hit, he got up and got back in the huddle.  He was always cool in post game interviews.  As far as I know he was always cool to the fans.

Mostly though, every now and then, some times for more than one play in a row he got it all right and then he got it ALL right.

One quick and easy way to hush the Boller haters is to remind them of the game against the undefeated Patriots.   Who here went into that game and expected no less than a 21 point loss for the Ravens.  Boller played out of his mind that night.    That wasnt his only great moment, he had more than a few, just not a whole lot.

No, I dont get the hate either.  Disappointment for sure.  For all that was riding on him I get the disappointment.  Kyle might be the highest profile bust, but he is not the biggest.  I can say we have had worse QB's for sure.  Far worse draft picks. 

Yeah.  I am a Kyle Boller fan.

 

I've always liked Boller as well.  He was a good guy who put his body on the line for the sake of the team.  He certainly had his moments and he was also thrown into some terrible situations.

 

Regardless of his good moments, he was still a bust.  At the end of the day, selecting him set back our franchise for a good amount of years.  We lost our 1st in 2004 which was an absolutely dreadful draft.  Good guy or not, he's a bust simply for the fact that he greatly impacted the team on the field and limited what we could do around him.

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I agree 100%

I was a Boller fan till the very end.  Yes he tripped over his own two feet more often than not.  Yes he read defenses like a blind person reads an owners manual for a hedge trimmer.  Yes he had the accuracy of a drunk chimpanzee wearing Chinese finger cuffs. But hit after hit, he got up and got back in the huddle.  He was always cool in post game interviews.  As far as I know he was always cool to the fans.

Mostly though, every now and then, some times for more than one play in a row he got it all right and then he got it ALL right.

One quick and easy way to hush the Boller haters is to remind them of the game against the undefeated Patriots.   Who here went into that game and expected no less than a 21 point loss for the Ravens.  Boller played out of his mind that night.    That wasnt his only great moment, he had more than a few, just not a whole lot.

No, I dont get the hate either.  Disappointment for sure.  For all that was riding on him I get the disappointment.  Kyle might be the highest profile bust, but he is not the biggest.  I can say we have had worse QB's for sure.  Far worse draft picks. 

Yeah.  I am a Kyle Boller fan.

 

Even a dumb monkey can type a proper sentence every once in a while.  But comparing a chimp to Boller would be an insult.

 

Fans like yourself are the reason why we had to waste our Superbowl years down in the dumps.   We had perhaps one of the greatest defense of all time, all down the stinking pile of crap b/c somebody always had an excuse for that guy.  

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Fans like yourself are the reason why we had to waste our Superbowl years down in the dumps.

Help me understand this statement...

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Even a dumb monkey can type a proper sentence every once in a while.  But comparing a chimp to Boller would be an insult.

 

Fans like yourself are the reason why we had to waste our Superbowl years down in the dumps.   We had perhaps one of the greatest defense of all time, all down the stinking pile of crap b/c somebody always had an excuse for that guy.  

Help me understand this statement...

 

Wow, that sure escalated quickly, not to mention completely unwarranted.

 

So what if he has a difference in opinion?  We all have our favorites, some aren't as popular among the fan base as others, but part of the team nonetheless.

 

While I wasn't particularly proud of the final result of Boller, I can respect the guy.

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I agree 100%

I was a Boller fan till the very end.  Yes he tripped over his own two feet more often than not.  Yes he read defenses like a blind person reads an owners manual for a hedge trimmer.  Yes he had the accuracy of a drunk chimpanzee wearing Chinese finger cuffs. But hit after hit, he got up and got back in the huddle.  He was always cool in post game interviews.  As far as I know he was always cool to the fans.

Mostly though, every now and then, some times for more than one play in a row he got it all right and then he got it ALL right.

One quick and easy way to hush the Boller haters is to remind them of the game against the undefeated Patriots.   Who here went into that game and expected no less than a 21 point loss for the Ravens.  Boller played out of his mind that night.    That wasnt his only great moment, he had more than a few, just not a whole lot.

No, I dont get the hate either.  Disappointment for sure.  For all that was riding on him I get the disappointment.  Kyle might be the highest profile bust, but he is not the biggest.  I can say we have had worse QB's for sure.  Far worse draft picks. 

Yeah.  I am a Kyle Boller fan.

 

Well, keep in mind that Boller was the main reason everyone thought we were going to get trounced. We were bringing a water pistol to a gun fight.

 

Regardless, that game and the Denver playoff game are by far my two favorite games I have ever seen

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I agree 100%

I was a Boller fan till the very end. Yes he tripped over his own two feet more often than not. Yes he read defenses like a blind person reads an owners manual for a hedge trimmer. Yes he had the accuracy of a drunk chimpanzee wearing Chinese finger cuffs. But hit after hit, he got up and got back in the huddle. He was always cool in post game interviews. As far as I know he was always cool to the fans.

Mostly though, every now and then, some times for more than one play in a row he got it all right and then he got it ALL right.

One quick and easy way to hush the Boller haters is to remind them of the game against the undefeated Patriots. Who here went into that game and expected no less than a 21 point loss for the Ravens. Boller played out of his mind that night. That wasnt his only great moment, he had more than a few, just not a whole lot.

No, I dont get the hate either. Disappointment for sure. For all that was riding on him I get the disappointment. Kyle might be the highest profile bust, but he is not the biggest. I can say we have had worse QB's for sure. Far worse draft picks.

Yeah. I am a Kyle Boller fan.

Thank you!

The first paragraph made my morning. although I agree with most of your post, Boller is still my top pick for this title. As one member said... You could/should blame the coach for keeping him but not sure if coaches/coordinators can be on this list. Should we open a topic for biggest coach/coordinator bust?

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Thank you!

The first paragraph made my morning. although I agree with most of your post, Boller is still my top pick for this title. As one member said... You could/should blame the coach for keeping him but not sure if coaches/coordinators can be on this list. Should we open a topic for biggest coach/coordinator bust?

Funny you would say that. After my post I jumped on YouTube to see if I could find some epic Boller videos to further my case. ( yes there was epic but no it didnt further my case )

Either way I found a Q&A Brian Billick and the question was asked "why did you keep Boller for so long? "

Billick responded with "who was I going to replace him with? "

You work with the best youve got. Sometimes that is not much.

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Sure we can open this to biggest coaches/coordinater busts. But lets get back on topic and off the boller tangent.

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Boller was a bust was he not?

The discussion was weather or not he was the biggest bust ever. Its on topic.

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I'm 98% percent sure that our organization would've known of these "bum knees", therefore they wouldn't have wasted a 2nd round pick on him.....

 

Define NFL Bust to me???

 

Well he was believed to be a top 15 pick soooooo

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It was reported here in Baltimore that his knees were cleared (by several teams) and not the problem. ;)

 

Sure after they picked him lol. Just like Dan Codys head was screwed on straight right?

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Even a dumb monkey can type a proper sentence every once in a while.  But comparing a chimp to Boller would be an insult.

 

Fans like yourself are the reason why we had to waste our Superbowl years down in the dumps.   We had perhaps one of the greatest defense of all time, all down the stinking pile of crap b/c somebody always had an excuse for that guy.  

did we want to keep him as our starting qb? not at all. of course we were clamoring for billick to swallow his pride and go for another qb.

 

but do we support the fans that cheered on his injury? hell no, do we support pure "hatred" for the guy? hell no. he was a high character guy who sacrificed his body for us year after year. lets not forget the awful pass blocking he had, we had a tough mauling OL with only 1 guy who pass block worth a lick.  

 

instead of hating and bashing the guy, id prefer we just move on from those days since we have a franchise qb with a SBMVP title from 1.5 years ago, and say "thanks for trying kyle"

 

and fans will never be the reason a team underperforms... ever.

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Terrance Cody. Oh what's that? OH! Not that kind of BUST?!?!. I was thinking he was rocking some Double Ds...

 

Travis Taylor was a top 10 pick, it's bad to miss on a WR as a top 10 pick....QBs are so hard to judge but Boller would be my number 2

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You win!

 

I'd like to thank the Academy, all of my fans, my parents, and sweet baby Jesus wearing a tuxedo t-shirt.

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Remember when our 3 "best" corners were Fabian, Foxworth and Frank. Ugh. So many games lost because of them.

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