Harbs/Tyrod question

[flynismo]

At least this guy answered the actual question of the original post.

As for all this.... hatred. It's hilarious because unlike Flacco... Tyrod hasn't even had a chance to show anything.

And all the insults about Tyrod's passing ability, is the same thing everyone outside of Ravens Land says about Flacco. So it's even more hilarious.

Only difference between Flacco and Taylor is that Flacco was GIVEN a starting job and has had every opportunity to prove himself. He's had success, but there hasn't been much improvement in his individual performance.

Maybe Tyrod Taylor will never start in the NFL. But it's hilarious he's gotten so much hate when he hasn't even had a chance to screw up. Just nervous, blind Flacco defenders.

We all know what's going to happen with this story. Tyrod will be put in during preseason, and the team will almost exclusively run the ball when that happens. If Wenning shows enough, they'll cut Tyrod at the last minute so he doesn't have time to find a new team.

Tyrod didn't screw up when he was put in games? That's rich.

You may be right though, perhaps there is a grand conspiracy by the team to hold Tyrod in the background, so that he doesn't show up their expensive QB

[Guest RBates]

Tyrod just needs reps.  You guys kill me.  Scrambling QB's have taken over football.  Like it or not.

[K-Dog]

You may be right though, perhaps there is a grand conspiracy by the team to hold Tyrod in the background, so that he doesn't show up their expensive QB

 

 

Yeah cause it makes total sense to have the best player sitting down right ?

[K-Dog]

Tyrod just needs reps.  You guys kill me.  Scrambling QB's have taken over football.  Like it or not.

You do realize scrambling quarter backs is not a new thing right ?

[PolishRifle]

Bench the starting QB to give his backup a chance in the ultra competitive AFCN, where every game matters. Hilarious. Those Tyrod topics are like the comedy clubs of BaltimoreRavens forum.

[PolishRifle]

Tyrod just needs reps.  You guys kill me.  Scrambling QB's have taken over football.  Like it or not.

Slowest.Takeover. In. History.

 

[Guest RBates]

You do realize scrambling quarter backs is not a new thing right ?

Sure i do. However they have taken over football and that's new. 

[Guest RBates]

Slowest.Takeover. In. History.

 

Not really as mobile as today's athletes. 

[flynismo]

Yeah cause it makes total sense to have the best player sitting down right ?

 

Absolutely, saving face is much more important

[sflegend89]

I think the Eagles should give us a later round draft pick for Tyrod ... I think he'd run a Chip Kelly offense very nicely, at least it would be fun to see. 

 

Nick Foles? lol

[Inqui]

Bench the starting QB to give his backup a chance in the ultra competitive AFCN, where every game matters. Hilarious. Those Tyrod topics are like the comedy clubs of BaltimoreRavens forum.

So what's the deal with Joe Flacco? Wow, what a terrific audience.

[SecretAgentMan]

Takeover of running QBs?

*Best QB in this years draft was pocket passer*

[arnie_uk]

All the best qbs are pocket passers.

[PolishRifle]

So what's the deal with Joe Flacco? Wow, what a terrific audience.

 

Lol, I just got the Seinfeld joke. I guess, it's not the same without the voice.

 

All the best qbs are pocket passers.

 

I wouldn't say that. Steve Young, Elway, Staubach. There have been plenty of great mobile QBs, but all them played with great pocket passers at the same time in the same league. I don't see why one would have to make the other obsolete. "Mobile QBs are taking over" is yet another sports analyst "catch phrase", just like the whole "elite" discussion. An argument that can not and will never be answered.

In the end the QB position is very demanding mentally as the athelete needs to be able to recover from mistakes quickly and deal with alot of pressure making a bunch of split second decisions. If you have a QB like that, no matter if he's mobile or a pocket passer, you take him. That's it.

[ravensdfan]

Lol, I just got the Seinfeld joke. I guess, it's not the same without the voice.

 

 

I wouldn't say that. Steve Young, Elway, Staubach. There have been plenty of great mobile QBs, but all them played with great pocket passers at the same time in the same league. I don't see why one would have to make the other obsolete. "Mobile QBs are taking over" is yet another sports analyst "catch phrase", just like the whole "elite" discussion. An argument that can not and will never be answered.

In the end the QB position is very demanding mentally as the athelete needs to be able to recover from mistakes quickly and deal with alot of pressure making a bunch of split second decisions. If you have a QB like that, no matter if he's mobile or a pocket passer, you take him. That's it.

 

There is a difference in those QBs and many of today's mobile QBs. It's called actually being able to pass with some sort of accuracy.

 

Tyrod just does not have any accuracy passing the ball, sorry. You can go all the way back to his college career to prove that a fact. You can get away with that at the college level and be successful. Not so much in the NFL.

[Militant X 1]

At least this guy answered the actual question of the original post.

As for all this.... hatred.  It's hilarious because unlike Flacco... Tyrod hasn't even had a chance to show anything.

And all the insults about Tyrod's passing ability, is the same thing everyone outside of Ravens Land says about Flacco.  So it's even more hilarious.

Only difference between Flacco and Taylor is that Flacco was GIVEN a starting job and has had every opportunity to prove himself.  He's had success, but there hasn't been much improvement in his individual performance.

Maybe Tyrod Taylor will never start in the NFL.  But it's hilarious he's gotten so much hate when he hasn't even had a chance to screw up.  Just nervous, blind Flacco defenders.

We all know what's going to happen with this story.  Tyrod will be put in during preseason, and the team will almost exclusively run the ball when that happens.  If Wenning shows enough, they'll cut Tyrod at the last minute so he doesn't have time to find a new team.

 

Interesting!

 

Tyrod just needs reps.  You guys kill me.  Scrambling QB's have taken over football.  Like it or not.

 

Exactly!

 

Bench the starting QB to give his backup a chance in the ultra competitive AFCN, where every game matters. Hilarious. Those Tyrod topics are like the comedy clubs of BaltimoreRavens forum.

 

No one has said that!  Smh!

 

There is a difference in those QBs and many of today's mobile QBs. It's called actually being able to pass with some sort of accuracy.

 

Tyrod just does not have any accuracy passing the ball, sorry. You can go all the way back to his college career to prove that a fact. You can get away with that at the college level and be successful. Not so much in the NFL.

 

You act like he was inaccurate his entire collegiate career and that's not the truth!  Smh!  I'm a Virginia Tech fan and follow them consistently like I do the Ravens.  In his last 2 years in college Tyrod wanted to prove that he could make the necessary throws whether on the run or from the pocket and he did that!  Numerous of clips proves this!  However, coming to the pro level with our Ravens; they reduced him to "gimmicky" plays because of his athleticism.  Has he made mistakes when he's on the field?  Of course he has but which player hasn't?  The young man needs to go to another team that could possible use him better than what the Ravens have done.  That's all I've ever said about his plight!

 

#Mili

[ravensdfan]

Interesting!

 

 

Exactly!

 

 

No one has said that!  Smh!

 

 

You act like he was inaccurate his entire collegiate career and that's not the truth!  Smh!  I'm a Virginia Tech fan and follow them consistently like I do the Ravens.  In his last 2 years in college Tyrod wanted to prove that he could make the necessary throws whether on the run or from the pocket and he did that!  Numerous of clips proves this!  However, coming to the pro level with our Ravens; they reduced him to "gimmicky" plays because of his athleticism.  Has he made mistakes when he's on the field?  Of course he has but which player hasn't?  The young man needs to go to another team that could possible use him better than what the Ravens have done.  That's all I've ever said about his plight!

 

#Mili

 

Last 2 years of college his completion percentage was 56 and 59.7.  You and many here have crucified Flacco for being under 65. Tyrod is not accurate.

[arnie_uk]

Lol, I just got the Seinfeld joke. I guess, it's not the same without the voice.

I wouldn't say that. Steve Young, Elway, Staubach. There have been plenty of great mobile QBs, but all them played with great pocket passers at the same time in the same league. I don't see why one would have to make the other obsolete. "Mobile QBs are taking over" is yet another sports analyst "catch phrase", just like the whole "elite" discussion. An argument that can not and will never be answered.

In the end the QB position is very demanding mentally as the athelete needs to be able to recover from mistakes quickly and deal with alot of pressure making a bunch of split second decisions. If you have a QB like that, no matter if he's mobile or a pocket passer, you take him. That's it.

the topic on hand was current qbs.

[flynismo]

Last 2 years of college his completion percentage was 56 and 59.7.  You and many here have crucified Flacco for being under 65. Tyrod is not accurate.

 

I don't put much weight in completion % as a measure of accuracy; it's usually more representative of the system than anything, but when it is extremely low like that (56%), it definitely makes you look closer to find what the problem is. I really doubt it was ALL on him, but cmon; when was the last time any good QB threw under 60% in their senior year of college ball? Not very many did that as juniors...

[Inqui]

Lol, I just got the Seinfeld joke. I guess, it's not the same without the voice.

 

 

I wouldn't say that. Steve Young, Elway, Staubach. There have been plenty of great mobile QBs, but all them played with great pocket passers at the same time in the same league. I don't see why one would have to make the other obsolete. "Mobile QBs are taking over" is yet another sports analyst "catch phrase", just like the whole "elite" discussion. An argument that can not and will never be answered.

In the end the QB position is very demanding mentally as the athelete needs to be able to recover from mistakes quickly and deal with alot of pressure making a bunch of split second decisions. If you have a QB like that, no matter if he's mobile or a pocket passer, you take him. That's it.

I was trying to make a play on how it's always the same dry punchline. Ended up as like a Seinfeld/Jimmy Tippett (South Park) fusion. Execution wasn't that flash, but at least someone got what I was having a go at.

 

For the most part I agree about running QBs. They're just a hot topic for the media atm, and understandably so. Some of them are flash, fun to watch and have big personalities. If I'm in sports media I'm lapping that up. Personally I think mobile QBs are best when using the run as a complement to their passing game and not a first resort. What I like about Russell Wilson is that he's mainly a pocket passer but his mobility is a great extension of his passing game.

[ravensdfan]

I don't put much weight in completion % as a measure of accuracy; it's usually more representative of the system than anything, but when it is extremely low like that (56%), it definitely makes you look closer to find what the problem is. I really doubt it was ALL on him, but cmon; when was the last time any good QB threw under 60% in their senior year of college ball? Not very many did that as juniors...

 

Yeah I realize it isn't the be all and end all (completion percentage) and that all QBs have those games but when that is your average on the season, it does say something about your accuracy. No, it isn't all his fault but in the reps he has gotten here - I've not seen anything from him to suggest that it was all the system either.

 

The same folks here touting Tyrod are the ones screaming the loudest when Flacco has a completion percentage under 60%. The logic is missing and it makes me nutso a bit I guess.

 

I like watching Tyrod play - I think he's a great athlete - just not a great quarterback. Nor even a good one in NFL standards to be honest.

[Militant X 1]

Last 2 years of college his completion percentage was 56 and 59.7.  You and many here have crucified Flacco for being under 65. Tyrod is not accurate.

Get it straight!  In comparison to Tyrod, I have crucified Flacco for being a 6 year starter in the NFL and STILL being so inaccurate brah!  Big difference than Tyrod's situation from riding the bench!  Besides, I noticed that you left out the fact that since his Freshman year, Tyrod improved on his "passing" TD's each year.  Especially, from his Junior to Senior year (as I mentioned in my previous post about his last 2 years in college) by improving from throwing 13 TD's as a Junior to throwing 24 TD's as a Senior.  He also only had 5 INT's in both of those years!  Yep!  Horrible passer!  Smh!

 

#Mili

[rmw10]

I've seen today that the Texans will cut one of Case Keenum or TJ Yates before training camp, so that's definitely something to keep on eye on going forward.  Apparently, Wenning hasn't been all that impressive thus far.  I've seen that he's missing some easy throws and is timid stepping up in the pocket, which is concerning considering he can't be hit.  I can only imagine what that's like in actual game action.

 

Right now, I'd say we're carrying 3 QB's this year.  Flacco as the starter obviously.  Wenning will probably be the 3rd string as I'm not sure they'd be confident enough to cut him.  The 2nd string QB will be Tyrod as it currently stands, but keep an eye out if one of Kubiak's guys get cut.

[Militant X 1]

I don't put much weight in completion % as a measure of accuracy; it's usually more representative of the system than anything, but when it is extremely low like that (56%), it definitely makes you look closer to find what the problem is. I really doubt it was ALL on him, but cmon; when was the last time any good QB threw under 60% in their senior year of college ball? Not very many did that as juniors...

 

Neither do I Fly!  And it wasn't all on Tyrod!  Just like cats love to say that our horrible offense last year wasn't all on Joe.  Bottom line to me is that Tyrod needs to be on another team that may be able to utilize his skill set and athleticism better than the Ravens have.  He has been reduced to "gimmicks" on this team.  And now, that is all anyone sees!  It's a shame!

 

#Mili

[flynismo]

Neither do I Fly!  And it wasn't all on Tyrod!  Just like cats love to say that our horrible offense last year wasn't all on Joe.  Bottom line to me is that Tyrod needs to be on another team that may be able to utilize his skill set and athleticism better than the Ravens have.  He has been reduced to "gimmicks" on this team.  And now, that is all anyone sees!  It's a shame!

 

#Mili

 

We do seem to have an amazing ability to squander the physical gifts of our offensive players....thing is, the only reason, and I cannot stress the word 'only' enough, that Tyrod is here is because we already have our QB, and he needs a backup. There was never any intention for him to compete for the job; so people should lighten up, every game that Tyrod does not see the field means that our OL hasn't gotten Joe killed or maimed yet. Of course we want to help Tyrod develop, but not at the cost of hindering our starters.

Honestly, I think it was a mistake to draft him. It doesn't make sense to draft a developmental guy to be your primary backup....you should grab a veteran who can step right in (unless your starter is old and nearing the end of the road and you are looking for his replacement). It's not smart on our part, and really isn't fair to Tyrod either.

[Militant X 1]

We do seem to have an amazing ability to squander the physical gifts of our offensive players....thing is, the only reason, and I cannot stress the word 'only' enough, that Tyrod is here is because we already have our QB, and he needs a backup. There was never any intention for him to compete for the job; so people should lighten up, every game that Tyrod does not see the field means that our OL hasn't gotten Joe killed or maimed yet. Of course we want to help Tyrod develop, but not at the cost of hindering our starters.

Honestly, I think it was a mistake to draft him. It doesn't make sense to draft a developmental guy to be your primary backup....you should grab a veteran who can step right in (unless your starter is old and nearing the end of the road and you are looking for his replacement). It's not smart on our part, and really isn't fair to Tyrod either.

 

I know!  And I agree with everything you've said here.  My whole argument has been that with his skill set and athleticism Tyrod is on the wrong team and hasn't be utilized to his full potential but rather reduced to being a "gimmick" guy or just a "runner" and not a real QB.  That is unfair to this young man and his career.  Hopefully, he'll walk after this last season and some other team will see the diamond in the rough and take a chance on him.  Time will tell!

 

#Mili

[TDubbs]

Nick Foles? lol

 

I never said as a starter lol, Foles is definitely the guy. Tyrod is not a starter (may never be) but would be a solid developmental guy for Chip in case Foles doesn't continue to work out. Also, he can play RG3 in practice and mimic other similar QB's over in the NFC. I like Tyrod and I think he still has a future in the NFL, just not with us obviously. 

[The Raven]

Get it straight!  In comparison to Tyrod, I have crucified Flacco for being a 6 year starter in the NFL and STILL being so inaccurate brah!  Big difference than Tyrod's situation from riding the bench!  Besides, I noticed that you left out the fact that since his Freshman year, Tyrod improved on his "passing" TD's each year.  Especially, from his Junior to Senior year (as I mentioned in my previous post about his last 2 years in college) by improving from throwing 13 TD's as a Junior to throwing 24 TD's as a Senior.  He also only had 5 INT's in both of those years!  Yep!  Horrible passer!  Smh!

 

#Mili

 

Guess what? Tyrod isn't a college QB anymore. He's an NFL QB. His college stats are pathetically irrelevant. But if you do want to talk about college stats, Flacco's numbers trump Tyrod's in almost every category. 

 

I really don't care how great a passer you think he was in college. The fact is he's a horrible passer now and the numbers prove it. It's not even like he has the wins or the clutch comebacks either. Tyrod is a bum in the NFL. No way around it.

[rmw10]

Guess what? Tyrod isn't a college QB anymore. He's an NFL QB. His college stats are pathetically irrelevant. But if you do want to talk about college stats, Flacco's numbers trump Tyrod's in almost every category. 

 

I really don't care how great a passer you think he was in college. The fact is he's a horrible passer now and the numbers prove it. It's not even like he has the wins or the clutch comebacks either. Tyrod is a bum in the NFL. No way around it.

 

I won't say that he's a bum, but I don't think there's much doubt that he's not a NFL quality starting QB.  If he was as talented as everyone says, we wouldn't be open to replacing him.  It's not a case of him being buried on the depth chart.

[SecretAgentMan]

Guess what? Tyrod isn't a college QB anymore. He's an NFL QB. His college stats are pathetically irrelevant. But if you do want to talk about college stats, Flacco's numbers trump Tyrod's in almost every category. 

 

I really don't care how great a passer you think he was in college. The fact is he's a horrible passer now and the numbers prove it. It's not even like he has the wins or the clutch comebacks either. Tyrod is a bum in the NFL. No way around it.

Close the thread!

 

Let's put it this way... You want to compare how good they were in college? 

Flacco was a first rounder, and was good enough to have a team trade to get him. Tyrod almost went undrafted.