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Ok after reading every player article since the 1st round of OTAs, Harb's has stated that everyone looks good and he likes what he sees from that player. That got me to thinking, did Harbs personally call out any other player last year for their disappointing performance besides Tyrod Taylor (the freaking backup QB)? Maybe I'm a little emo about this b/c Tyrod is a local kid, who shouldn't have even been mentioned in the discussions regarding the disappointment of last season.  Even with Ray Rice's dismal season, I don't ever recall (not saying it didn't happen) Harbs say he was disappointed in Ray's performance.  If he did call out someone, who was it?

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Tyrod isnt good  /discussion.

 

There is this and also, it wasn't a discussion of last year's disappointment. It was a question about keeping 3 QBs, etc etc etc. In other words, specifically about back-up QBs and Tyrod's future. So he didn't call him out - he answered a question.

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I wouldn't read into it too much.  Harbaugh has called out guys before.  Mellette and Asa last year.  Webb his rookie year.  It's nothing new.  Some guys take motivation in different ways and maybe Harbaugh thinks this is the way to get to Tyrod.

 

I haven't been all that impressed by Tyrod, but don't write him off yet.  I think it's likely that he's back for one more year.  They classified Wenning as a developmental guy.  They've been comfortable having Tyrod as the #2 for the past 3 years.  I don't see that changing, especially when I keep seeing that they feel Wenning isn't ready to be the primary backup.

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I think the Eagles should give us a later round draft pick for Tyrod ... I think he'd run a Chip Kelly offense very nicely, at least it would be fun to see. 

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I think the Eagles should give us a later round draft pick for Tyrod ... I think he'd run a Chip Kelly offense very nicely, at least it would be fun to see. 

 

 

Thats it... the Eagles should... its been decided.

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I think the Eagles should give us a later round draft pick for Tyrod ... I think he'd run a Chip Kelly offense very nicely, at least it would be fun to see. 

 

If he does have a future in the NFL, that's where it is.

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I think the Eagles should give us a later round draft pick for Tyrod ... I think he'd run a Chip Kelly offense very nicely, at least it would be fun to see. 

 

That's very unlikely. I like Tyrod, but he never showed much promise. We won't get any draft picks for him, unless we can accept picks from the Totonto Argonauts for the CFL draft.

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Mike Preston would speculate the feud began when Tyrod crossed Harbs over and posterized him on the team basketball courts. Then, laughing maniacally, Steve Bisciotti simultaneously lost trust in the coach and signed him to another extension.

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That's very unlikely. I like Tyrod, but he never showed much promise. We won't get any draft picks for him, unless we can accept picks from the Totonto Argonauts for the CFL draft.

Dont count him out, under another offense he could become very good. Alot of people said Q was old and done but in another system he shined.

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Dont count him out, under another offense he could become very good. Alot of people said Q was old and done but in another system he shined.

 

Regardless of what offense he plays in, he will still have to overcome his greatest weakness: Throwing a football.

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I think the Eagles should give us a later round draft pick for Tyrod ... I think he'd run a Chip Kelly offense very nicely, at least it would be fun to see. 

Nick Foles>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tyrod

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Nick Foles>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tyrod

 

I definitely agree, at this point. Foles looks like a long term franchise QB for that team. But I think Chip would have fun continuing to develop Tyrod just in case. Now that's assuming Sanchez is no threat to Foles, lol. 

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I definitely agree, at this point. Foles looks like a long term franchise QB for that team. But I think Chip would have fun continuing to develop Tyrod just in case. Now that's assuming Sanchez is no threat to Foles, lol. 

They got Barkley as well. He could be a decent future back-up. Maybe a team like the Redskins, Panthers, or 9ers would trade to have a backup similar to their starter.

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Bottom line is I can't see us sticking with Tyrod after this season. I think Keith Wenning/Kyle Wilson/Kenneth Wahlberg is our backup for the future - better scheme fit and more similar to Joe, and that's before you get into the intricacies of giving Tyrod another contract.

 

But Tyrod having a great year is both in the FO's best interest and it's in Tyrod's. Tyrod's going to need a change of scenery and no doubt he'll stick back himself as a starting QB given the chance, and the FO wants him to do well this year so they can get a decent compensatory pick.

 

He'll stick around this year and probably be given a few opportunities as he always has (hopefully just in garbage time or in a late preseason game a match where we decide to rest our starters), and that'll be his big rehearsal to the rest of the league. Anything else that may push him is fine by me.

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Bottom line is I can't see us sticking with Tyrod after this season. I think Keith Wenning/Kyle Wilson/Kenneth Wahlberg is our backup for the future - better scheme fit and more similar to Joe, and that's before you get into the intricacies of giving Tyrod another contract.

 

But Tyrod having a great year is both in the FO's best interest and it's in Tyrod's. Tyrod's going to need a change of scenery and no doubt he'll stick back himself as a starting QB given the chance, and the FO wants him to do well this year so they can get a decent compensatory pick.

 

He'll stick around this year and probably be given a few opportunities as he always has (hopefully just in garbage time or in a late preseason game a match where we decide to rest our starters), and that'll be his big rehearsal to the rest of the league. Anything else that may push him is fine by me.

Tyrod having a great year means flacco missed time so I'm not sure how that's truly in the best interest of the front office

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Tyrod having a great year means flacco missed time so I'm not sure how that's truly in the best interest of the front office

I don't mean pulling Flacco (hence the reference to garbage time) and injuries don't come back on the FO, but they'll want him to shine during the limited snaps he'll get in the upcoming season. As much as you can shine during that time.

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I don't mean pulling Flacco (hence the reference to garbage time) and injuries don't come back on the FO, but they'll want him to shine during the limited snaps he'll get in the upcoming season. As much as you can shine during that time.

Regardless of how it happens in order for tyrod to have a great year flacco was missing reps and picking up garbage time stats isn't going to lead anyone to calling his year great.

As for injuries not coming back on the front office, you're wrong. If flacco gets hurt and tyrod plays significant snaps and does well

It makes one question if we needed to truly pay flacco when we had a potential star on the bench behind him.

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Regardless of how it happens in order for tyrod to have a great year flacco was missing reps and picking up garbage time stats isn't going to lead anyone to calling his year great.

As for injuries not coming back on the front office, you're wrong. If flacco gets hurt and tyrod plays significant snaps and does well

It makes one question if we needed to truly pay flacco when we had a potential star on the bench behind him.

He can still look good on tape and show he's a better fit elsewhere (Washington, for example, and Philly's already been mentioned). I've made my thoughts clear on QB stats so I can agree on no-one caring about his numbers.

 

And I disagree on the FO looking bad for paying Joe if Tyrod does well, for the same reasons I don't think the Bears look stupid for paying Cutler despite McCown's success afterwards. But I'm not getting bogged down in that argument, because it always ends up getting locked 100 pages later.

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Regardless of how it happens in order for tyrod to have a great year flacco was missing reps and picking up garbage time stats isn't going to lead anyone to calling his year great.

As for injuries not coming back on the front office, you're wrong. If flacco gets hurt and tyrod plays significant snaps and does well

It makes one question if we needed to truly pay flacco when we had a potential star on the bench behind him.

Even if Flacco got hurt and Tyrod stepped up and played well, it has no relevance whatsoever to whether we should have paid Flacco. We'd just be giving Tyrod that money anyway in that instance

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Everyone talking about scheme fit and kubiak's system. What happens if kubiak gets a HC job next season and take his coaches with him? Gon be a whole new system. You just never know

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Even if Flacco got hurt and Tyrod stepped up and played well, it has no relevance whatsoever to whether we should have paid Flacco. We'd just be giving Tyrod that money anyway in that instance

Actually no.

There'd be no reason to pay tremendously to any one player at qb if multiple players show the ability to excel for us and are available for us. It's why we didnt overpay Kruger

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Actually no.

There'd be no reason to pay tremendously to any one player at qb if multiple players show the ability to excel for us and are available for us. It's why we didnt overpay Kruger

Actually yes.

If we didn't pay Flacco, he would have walked.

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There is this and also, it wasn't a discussion of last year's disappointment. It was a question about keeping 3 QBs, etc etc etc. In other words, specifically about back-up QBs and Tyrod's future. So he didn't call him out - he answered a question.

At least this guy answered the actual question of the original post.

As for all this.... hatred.  It's hilarious because unlike Flacco... Tyrod hasn't even had a chance to show anything.

And all the insults about Tyrod's passing ability, is the same thing everyone outside of Ravens Land says about Flacco.  So it's even more hilarious.

Only difference between Flacco and Taylor is that Flacco was GIVEN a starting job and has had every opportunity to prove himself.  He's had success, but there hasn't been much improvement in his individual performance.

Maybe Tyrod Taylor will never start in the NFL.  But it's hilarious he's gotten so much hate when he hasn't even had a chance to screw up.  Just nervous, blind Flacco defenders.

We all know what's going to happen with this story.  Tyrod will be put in during preseason, and the team will almost exclusively run the ball when that happens.  If Wenning shows enough, they'll cut Tyrod at the last minute so he doesn't have time to find a new team.

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At least this guy answered the actual question of the original post.

As for all this.... hatred. It's hilarious because unlike Flacco... Tyrod hasn't even had a chance to show anything.

And all the insults about Tyrod's passing ability, is the same thing everyone outside of Ravens Land says about Flacco. So it's even more hilarious.

Only difference between Flacco and Taylor is that Flacco was GIVEN a starting job and has had every opportunity to prove himself. He's had success, but there hasn't been much improvement in his individual performance.

Maybe Tyrod Taylor will never start in the NFL. But it's hilarious he's gotten so much hate when he hasn't even had a chance to screw up. Just nervous, blind Flacco defenders.

We all know what's going to happen with this story. Tyrod will be put in during preseason, and the team will almost exclusively run the ball when that happens. If Wenning shows enough, they'll cut Tyrod at the last minute so he doesn't have time to find a new team.

Tyrod didn't screw up when he was put in games? That's rich.

You may be right though, perhaps there is a grand conspiracy by the team to hold Tyrod in the background, so that he doesn't show up their expensive QB

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Tyrod just needs reps.  You guys kill me.  Scrambling QB's have taken over football.  Like it or not.

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You may be right though, perhaps there is a grand conspiracy by the team to hold Tyrod in the background, so that he doesn't show up their expensive QB

 

 

Yeah cause it makes total sense to have the best player sitting down right ?

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Tyrod just needs reps.  You guys kill me.  Scrambling QB's have taken over football.  Like it or not.

You do realize scrambling quarter backs is not a new thing right ?

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Bench the starting QB to give his backup a chance in the ultra competitive AFCN, where every game matters. Hilarious. Those Tyrod topics are like the comedy clubs of BaltimoreRavens forum.

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Tyrod just needs reps.  You guys kill me.  Scrambling QB's have taken over football.  Like it or not.

Slowest.Takeover. In. History.

 

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You do realize scrambling quarter backs is not a new thing right ?

Sure i do. However they have taken over football and that's new. 

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Slowest.Takeover. In. History.

 

Fran_Tarkenton.jpg

Not really as mobile as today's athletes. 

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Yeah cause it makes total sense to have the best player sitting down right ?

 

Absolutely, saving face is much more important

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I think the Eagles should give us a later round draft pick for Tyrod ... I think he'd run a Chip Kelly offense very nicely, at least it would be fun to see. 

 

Nick Foles? lol

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Bench the starting QB to give his backup a chance in the ultra competitive AFCN, where every game matters. Hilarious. Those Tyrod topics are like the comedy clubs of BaltimoreRavens forum.

So what's the deal with Joe Flacco? Wow, what a terrific audience.

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So what's the deal with Joe Flacco? Wow, what a terrific audience.

 

Lol, I just got the Seinfeld joke. I guess, it's not the same without the voice. :D

 

All the best qbs are pocket passers.

 

I wouldn't say that. Steve Young, Elway, Staubach. There have been plenty of great mobile QBs, but all them played with great pocket passers at the same time in the same league. I don't see why one would have to make the other obsolete. "Mobile QBs are taking over" is yet another sports analyst "catch phrase", just like the whole "elite" discussion. An argument that can not and will never be answered.

In the end the QB position is very demanding mentally as the athelete needs to be able to recover from mistakes quickly and deal with alot of pressure making a bunch of split second decisions. If you have a QB like that, no matter if he's mobile or a pocket passer, you take him. That's it.

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Lol, I just got the Seinfeld joke. I guess, it's not the same without the voice. :D

 

 

I wouldn't say that. Steve Young, Elway, Staubach. There have been plenty of great mobile QBs, but all them played with great pocket passers at the same time in the same league. I don't see why one would have to make the other obsolete. "Mobile QBs are taking over" is yet another sports analyst "catch phrase", just like the whole "elite" discussion. An argument that can not and will never be answered.

In the end the QB position is very demanding mentally as the athelete needs to be able to recover from mistakes quickly and deal with alot of pressure making a bunch of split second decisions. If you have a QB like that, no matter if he's mobile or a pocket passer, you take him. That's it.

 

There is a difference in those QBs and many of today's mobile QBs. It's called actually being able to pass with some sort of accuracy.

 

Tyrod just does not have any accuracy passing the ball, sorry. You can go all the way back to his college career to prove that a fact. You can get away with that at the college level and be successful. Not so much in the NFL.

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At least this guy answered the actual question of the original post.

As for all this.... hatred.  It's hilarious because unlike Flacco... Tyrod hasn't even had a chance to show anything.

And all the insults about Tyrod's passing ability, is the same thing everyone outside of Ravens Land says about Flacco.  So it's even more hilarious.

Only difference between Flacco and Taylor is that Flacco was GIVEN a starting job and has had every opportunity to prove himself.  He's had success, but there hasn't been much improvement in his individual performance.

Maybe Tyrod Taylor will never start in the NFL.  But it's hilarious he's gotten so much hate when he hasn't even had a chance to screw up.  Just nervous, blind Flacco defenders.

We all know what's going to happen with this story.  Tyrod will be put in during preseason, and the team will almost exclusively run the ball when that happens.  If Wenning shows enough, they'll cut Tyrod at the last minute so he doesn't have time to find a new team.

 

Interesting!

 

Tyrod just needs reps.  You guys kill me.  Scrambling QB's have taken over football.  Like it or not.

 

Exactly!

 

Bench the starting QB to give his backup a chance in the ultra competitive AFCN, where every game matters. Hilarious. Those Tyrod topics are like the comedy clubs of BaltimoreRavens forum.

 

No one has said that!  Smh!

 

There is a difference in those QBs and many of today's mobile QBs. It's called actually being able to pass with some sort of accuracy.

 

Tyrod just does not have any accuracy passing the ball, sorry. You can go all the way back to his college career to prove that a fact. You can get away with that at the college level and be successful. Not so much in the NFL.

 

You act like he was inaccurate his entire collegiate career and that's not the truth!  Smh!  I'm a Virginia Tech fan and follow them consistently like I do the Ravens.  In his last 2 years in college Tyrod wanted to prove that he could make the necessary throws whether on the run or from the pocket and he did that!  Numerous of clips proves this!  However, coming to the pro level with our Ravens; they reduced him to "gimmicky" plays because of his athleticism.  Has he made mistakes when he's on the field?  Of course he has but which player hasn't?  The young man needs to go to another team that could possible use him better than what the Ravens have done.  That's all I've ever said about his plight!

 

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Interesting!

 

 

Exactly!

 

 

No one has said that!  Smh!

 

 

You act like he was inaccurate his entire collegiate career and that's not the truth!  Smh!  I'm a Virginia Tech fan and follow them consistently like I do the Ravens.  In his last 2 years in college Tyrod wanted to prove that he could make the necessary throws whether on the run or from the pocket and he did that!  Numerous of clips proves this!  However, coming to the pro level with our Ravens; they reduced him to "gimmicky" plays because of his athleticism.  Has he made mistakes when he's on the field?  Of course he has but which player hasn't?  The young man needs to go to another team that could possible use him better than what the Ravens have done.  That's all I've ever said about his plight!

 

#Mili

 

Last 2 years of college his completion percentage was 56 and 59.7.  You and many here have crucified Flacco for being under 65. Tyrod is not accurate.

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Lol, I just got the Seinfeld joke. I guess, it's not the same without the voice. :D

I wouldn't say that. Steve Young, Elway, Staubach. There have been plenty of great mobile QBs, but all them played with great pocket passers at the same time in the same league. I don't see why one would have to make the other obsolete. "Mobile QBs are taking over" is yet another sports analyst "catch phrase", just like the whole "elite" discussion. An argument that can not and will never be answered.

In the end the QB position is very demanding mentally as the athelete needs to be able to recover from mistakes quickly and deal with alot of pressure making a bunch of split second decisions. If you have a QB like that, no matter if he's mobile or a pocket passer, you take him. That's it.

the topic on hand was current qbs.
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Last 2 years of college his completion percentage was 56 and 59.7.  You and many here have crucified Flacco for being under 65. Tyrod is not accurate.

 

I don't put much weight in completion % as a measure of accuracy; it's usually more representative of the system than anything, but when it is extremely low like that (56%), it definitely makes you look closer to find what the problem is. I really doubt it was ALL on him, but cmon; when was the last time any good QB threw under 60% in their senior year of college ball? Not very many did that as juniors...

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Lol, I just got the Seinfeld joke. I guess, it's not the same without the voice. :D

 

 

I wouldn't say that. Steve Young, Elway, Staubach. There have been plenty of great mobile QBs, but all them played with great pocket passers at the same time in the same league. I don't see why one would have to make the other obsolete. "Mobile QBs are taking over" is yet another sports analyst "catch phrase", just like the whole "elite" discussion. An argument that can not and will never be answered.

In the end the QB position is very demanding mentally as the athelete needs to be able to recover from mistakes quickly and deal with alot of pressure making a bunch of split second decisions. If you have a QB like that, no matter if he's mobile or a pocket passer, you take him. That's it.

I was trying to make a play on how it's always the same dry punchline. Ended up as like a Seinfeld/Jimmy Tippett (South Park) fusion. Execution wasn't that flash, but at least someone got what I was having a go at. ^_^

 

For the most part I agree about running QBs. They're just a hot topic for the media atm, and understandably so. Some of them are flash, fun to watch and have big personalities. If I'm in sports media I'm lapping that up. Personally I think mobile QBs are best when using the run as a complement to their passing game and not a first resort. What I like about Russell Wilson is that he's mainly a pocket passer but his mobility is a great extension of his passing game.

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