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Other than Elam, who do you expect of the 2013 Class to make an impact this year?

Do you see anyone earning a starting job?

Also, are there any 2013 picks you are dissapointed with, waste of a pick?

Thoughts?

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I'm thinking Brandon Williams is going to be a big part of the DLine rotation.

 

Failure? Marc Anthony. Thats easy.

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I think Brandon Williams is going to play a large role for us.

I think KLM will prove to be a very nice rotation piece for this year as well.

Rick Wagner is also an obvious choice for a large impact as it currently stands

Maybe Jensen if Wagner doesn't work out.

I even think Arthur Brown will carve out a nice role in nickel situations.

Not sure what type of impact he'll have, but I'd like to see Juice more involved.

 

On the other side, I'm kind of worried about Mellette.  Reports stated he's having consistent knee issues, which has bothered him since college.

Simon seems primed to sit on the bench a play some ST for awhile longer.

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KYLE JUSZCZYK!!!!!!! He will play a large role in Gary Kubiak's offense. 

On defense, Brandon Williams will play a big role and so will Arthur Brown. KLM has a chance to impress.

I'm also worried about Aaron Mellete and I am disappointed with the Marc Anthony pick.

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On offence: Juszcyk. Kubiak will have a lot of fun shuffling him around the place.

 

On defence: Arthur Brown looks ready to build off his (more or less) redshirt year, and Brandon Williams can only get better from here.

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I expect to see quite a bit from Marlon Brown, he should see far less attention from defenses this year.

I dont expect much from Juice at all, but I'd love to be proven wrong

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Watch out for KLM. He could even lock down a starting spot by the end of the year. I think Simon gets some more snaps as well. 

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KLM is still "recovering" meaning he has not tested his knee in game circumstances & has never practices with the team until now. Therefore, I expect he will be treated as a rookie and get situational // rotational spot duty or just ride the pine as most Raven rookies do their 1st season.

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KLM is still "recovering" meaning he has not tested his knee in game circumstances & has never practices with the team until now. Therefore, I expect he will be treated as a rookie and get situational // rotational spot duty or just ride the pine as most Raven rookies do their 1st season.

I think he and Jernigan could be our ends of the future.

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I think he and Jernigan could be our ends of the future.

Agreed. Come next season I can see the starting lineup being: KLM (end) Willaims (NT) Jerinigan (end).

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I expect to see more from Juice and Arthur Brown. But most importantly, I think there is a high chance Williams starts on that DL with Ngata and Canty, but he will probably have to battle Deangelo Tyson and Jernigan for it. Marc Anthony was easily a waste of a pick. Didn't even make the team and was cut by Tampa last friday.

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I expect to see more from Juice and Arthur Brown. But most importantly, I think there is a high chance Williams starts on that DL with Ngata and Canty, but he will probably have to battle Deangelo Tyson and Jernigan for it. Marc Anthony was easily a waste of a pick. Didn't even make the team and was cut by Tampa last friday.

To be fair. Anthony's highlight reel was a song called "You Sang to me"......

Juice + Kubiak SHOULD be gold.

Brown should be rotational with the arrival of Mosley but he will be a starter in the future.

Tyson is a good piece to have on a young line and Lewis-Moore might Suprise people

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I expect to see more from Juice and Arthur Brown. But most importantly, I think there is a high chance Williams starts on that DL with Ngata and Canty, but he will probably have to battle Deangelo Tyson and Jernigan for it. Marc Anthony was easily a waste of a pick. Didn't even make the team and was cut by Tampa last friday.

Nothing wasted about the puns about his name we got to make for like a week though. Don't underestimate that in a pick.

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Nothing wasted about the puns about his name we got to make for like a week though. Don't underestimate that in a pick.

 

Yeah that was certainly fun to do

 

My guesses besides Elam would be Williams, Juice, Wagner, and KLM

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To be fair. Anthony's highlight reel was a song called "You Sang to me"......

Juice + Kubiak SHOULD be gold.

Brown should be rotational with the arrival of Mosley but he will be a starter in the future.

Tyson is a good piece to have on a young line and Lewis-Moore might Suprise people

If the two reach their potential, Mosley and Brown will be a hell of a ILB core for years to come.

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NFLfan123, on 03 Jun 2014 - 02:01 AM, said:

If the two reach their potential, Mosley and Brown will be a hell of a ILB core for years to come.

Agreed; and I keep adding in Elam & Brooks and Webby & Smith. Those 6 guys, if they perform as expected, should shutdown much of the field. Ozzie is building the D-line and next year attacks OLB, WR, CB in the draft. On paper, a very formidable D. Can't wait to see the perform.

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Honestly, everyone except John Simon and maybe Jensen has a legitimate opportunity to get significant play time or a starting role this season. Even those two could find  themselves in a strong rotational or backup role. A lot of these guys could end up starting as soon as this year. Kind of cool that we got so many potential starters in a draft. I do think the 2013 will become one of our best draft classes, probably top five. 

 

As for which will have the most impact om 2013, I say KLM and Wagner. I know those are sort of the dark horse candidates out of this class but I really like the potential these two have. 

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To be fair. Anthony's highlight reel was a song called "You Sang to me"......

Juice + Kubiak SHOULD be gold.

Brown should be rotational with the arrival of Mosley but he will be a starter in the future.

Tyson is a good piece to have on a young line and Lewis-Moore might Suprise people

I see him taking over for Smith as early as 2015. 

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Agreed; and I keep adding in Elam & Brooks and Webby & Smith. Those 6 guys, if they perform as expected, should shutdown much of the field. Ozzie is building the D-line and next year attacks OLB, WR, CB in the draft. On paper, a very formidable D. Can't wait to see the perform.

Webby will  be getting up in year by that time lol.

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I was surprised when we signed Juice.  I did a little googeling and I made the declaration here some where.  Three to five years Juice is a fan favorite.

I stand by what I said.

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Agreed. Come next season I can see the starting lineup being: KLM (end) Willaims (NT) Jerinigan (end).

I think it will be Tyson,Cody,Ngata.

With Williams being a rotation starter until he gets some serious dose of productive snaps @field.

Jernigan is a gifted and a explosive player, but our defense is a lot more complex than people thinks.

I feel like the only true starter @ game1 will be CJ. Jernigan & Brooks will have hard time finding time on field.

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I was surprised when we signed Juice.  I did a little googeling and I maded the declaration here some where.  Three to five years Juice is a fan favorite.

I stand by what I said.

I think with Kubes running the offense he might be a fan favorite this year. The best thing about the offense thisyear is that nobody really knows what it'll look like. Yes we can all assume and look at Texans clips to see whatthe offense could look like, but Kubes said he's building this offense to fit what the players do best. Juice could really be a wildcard in this offense. I'm looking for big things from Juice.

I think KLM and BW will both see lots of time this year. I actually really like how our young DL is shaping up. Both of those guys who have a impact.

Brown will grow this year but continue to be more of a sub package ILB.

I think Wanger will have the biggest impact. Run blocking is his strength and that's what the offense is built around. Of course many won't highlight him because of the position he plays but his impact will be huge for this team. He's a big reason why we didn't attack the RT position this offseason and i don't think we will unless there is a Matt Birk type player cut. Wagner and Yanda are gonna be down right nasty on the right side. I know I'm in the minority here but i feel our oline will be a strength this year, like SB run strength. He has a outside shot to make the possibility probowl this year. If this running game gets back to form and enters the top 5 range, Wagner will probably be viewed as a key addition by voters.

I really like our last two draft classes. Obviously these guys have to perform, but i love the potential. Elam, Art, BW,KLM, Marlon, Wagner, Juice, CJ, Timmy, TB, Gilmore and maybe Camp will all either start or have a pretty big role on the team this year. Then guys like Jensen, Simon and Tailaferro could also carve out roles as well. That's both impressive and a bit scary that you added so much talent that could contribute easily but we also know that young players make a ton of mistakes too. But if it all comes together the Ravens won't have a window open to the Superbowl each year, they'll have a wide open door.

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I was surprised when we signed Juice.  I did a little googeling and I maded the declaration here some where.  Three to five years Juice is a fan favorite.

I stand by what I said.

He's gonna be a H-back in this kubiak offense. Do so blocking, catch some passes, maybe even get a couple carries.

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He's gonna be a H-back in this kubiak offense. Do so blocking, catch some passes, maybe even get a couple carries.

He also plays tight end.

His versatility is his high point.

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Overall - Elam

He has the chance to really emerge in our system. Can play either S and likely to play more SS this season. He will be better and will take advantage of his opportunity.

Offense

1-wagoner - he must

2-m.brown - he can

3-juice - he will

Defense

1-Elam - he's a force

2-KLM - he's healthy

3-Williams - he's ready

Sadness=Mellette - Bad knees in a crowded field? Hello IR.

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He also plays tight end.

His versatility is his high point.

H-back is like a fullback/TE combo role

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I think it will be Tyson,Cody,Ngata.

With Williams being a rotation starter until he gets some serious dose of productive snaps @field.

Jernigan is a gifted and a explosive player, but our defense is a lot more complex than people thinks.

I feel like the only true starter @ game1 will be CJ. Jernigan & Brooks will have hard time finding time on field.

By next season, I didn't mean the upcoming one. Rather, the one after it. Sorry for the confusion. Though I doubt Cody becomes a starter this upcoming season. In fact, I think he could end up being released.

 

However, I see Brooks starting at some point this season. He's just about the only person on the team capable of playing the FS position at a high level. Even if he's still learning, his range and ability to cover deep will just out class all the other potential FSs on the team.

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By next season, I didn't mean the upcoming one. Rather, the one after it. Sorry for the confusion. Though I doubt Cody becomes a starter this upcoming season. In fact, I think he could end up being released.

 

However, I see Brooks starting at some point this season. He's just about the only person on the team capable of playing the FS position at a high level. Even if he's still learning, his range and ability to cover deep will just out class all the other potential FSs on the team.

I have high hopes for Brooks too.  I think his ceiling is high.   The guy loves to play nasty and physical.  I just think Brooks isn't a big of a star to really become a reliable starter @ FS this season.

 

I think Michael Huff kind of showed you speed can't really cover deficiencies on the field.   Players nowadays just have has to have a lot things down in order to play up to par @ a passing league.

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I have high hopes for Brooks too.  I think his ceiling is high.   The guy loves to play nasty and physical.  I just think Brooks isn't a big of a star to really become a reliable starter @ FS this season.

 

I think Michael Huff kind of showed you speed can't really cover deficiencies on the field.   Players nowadays just have has to have a lot things down in order to play up to par @ a passing league.

The reason Huff failed though was more so due to his lack of physicality. He had the speed but didn't really get after people. While Brooks may make mistakes due to being a rookie, he has the right mind set to go along with that speed. Also, I'd just worry about not having a safety that can really cover deep passes when going against the Steelers and Bengals twice a year, not to mention also facing the Saints and Colts this season. All of them will happily attack the safeties all game long if they think their receivers can get behind them.

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For me its going to be Juice and Owen Daniels.  Juice is an amazing athlete that has spent big time in the gym and it shows.  I will never forget how he knocked that guy out on special teams.........wow....... He can be a legitimate beast in this offense. 

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I know we drafted Mosley and re-signed Smith but I really like Arthur Brown as a potential player who could earn more time. I think we'll use three LB more and more this year. That will help him stay on the field.

I also love Williams and Lewis-Moore as players who all likely standout. I think Williams will be much more prominent, however, with KLM in more of a reserve and rotational role.

I'm not sure how I feel about Juszczyk but I'm saying both he and Marlon don't impress much this year. I think Marlon will slump and I see Juszczyk struggling to learn and execute the new offense.

I think Wagner will definitely play a major role.

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I know we drafted Mosley and re-signed Smith but I really like Arthur Brown as a potential player who could earn more time. I think we'll use three LB more and more this year. That will help him stay on the field.

I also love Williams and Lewis-Moore as players who all likely standout. I think Williams will be much more prominent, however, with KLM in more of a reserve and rotational role.

I'm not sure how I feel about Juszczyk but I'm saying both he and Marlon don't impress much this year. I think Marlon will slump and I see Juszczyk struggling to learn and execute the new offense.

I think Wagner will definitely play a major role.

Kyle fits the James Casey thing and has good hands so I think the opposite. I agree with everything else.

Mosley and Brown will be a hell of a duo for the next 5+ years

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Kyle fits the James Casey thing and has good hands so I think the opposite. I agree with everything else.

Mosley and Brown will be a hell of a duo for the next 5+ years

It's not his hands. I'm just sold on him being strong enough yet. I'm going off what I've seen but I can't say he's strong enough to beat starters at this moment. If he can awesome.
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I know we drafted Mosley and re-signed Smith but I really like Arthur Brown as a potential player who could earn more time. I think we'll use three LB more and more this year. That will help him stay on the field.

I also love Williams and Lewis-Moore as players who all likely standout. I think Williams will be much more prominent, however, with KLM in more of a reserve and rotational role.

I'm not sure how I feel about Juszczyk but I'm saying both he and Marlon don't impress much this year. I think Marlon will slump and I see Juszczyk struggling to learn and execute the new offense.

I think Wagner will definitely play a major role.

 

I feel the exact opposite, especially with Juice. I sort of agree with Brown as I don't see him getting as many opportunities to develop as that 2nd year guy, initially I didn't think we would use as much 2TE as many were thinking but it seems both PItta and O.D are looking really good thus far and it's that's the case, it's foolish not to use those guys as much as possible.

 

But with Juice, I really think this guy is gonna start to make a name for himself this year. He fits that H-Back role perfectly and I doubt Kubes would have such high expectation for the guy if he was struggling to pick up the offense. I think he's gonna be an really important part of this offense.

 

 

It's not his hands. I'm just sold on him being strong enough yet. I'm going off what I've seen but I can't say he's strong enough to beat starters at this moment. If he can awesome.

 

I think he's plenty strong enough. I think we have to remember that last year we were looking at him being a pure FB and that wasn't him style. He had to adjust to that role and build his body to fill that role. However now, he's not gonna be asked to be a pure FB, he's more of Anthony Allen then Vontae Leach and I think we both had visions of AA being converted to a FB/HB type.

 

Now i'm not saying you don't have to be strong and power as a FB in this system, but you don't have to be as strong as we needed him to be last season. This blocking scheme is more about getting the defense to flow one way and present a cut-back for the ball carrier. So the FB doesn't have to be the hammer that Leach was, would It be nice for him to be? yes but it's not needed. This is one of the reason, along with money, why the Texans allowed Leach to walk. I think playing on ST last year really helped Juice develop his blocking and staying in the weight room helped build that strength. I'm really interested in seeing him this year. He could end up being the steal of the 2013 draft.

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now i hate blowing up players who are completely unproven, but i can see a majority of our 2013 class being damn solid for us. williams, art brown, wagner, and juszczyk are probably all going to be solid contributors, jensen could make for solid depth 

 

EDIT: forgot to mention KLM, im thinking he has a 6+ sack season

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But with Juice, I really think this guy is gonna start to make a name for himself this year. He fits that H-Back role perfectly and I doubt Kubes would have such high expectation for the guy if he was struggling to pick up the offense. I think he's gonna be an really important part of this offense.

 

 

I agree. When we drafted him a year ago I was very skeptical and disappointed w/ the pick. Since then, we have cut Vonta and moved on into a new offense. If you saw the recent highlight vid of Juice on the Ravens Videos you would easily see that this kid has worked insanely hard this offseason, honestly looks like a Peyton Hillis clone. I too think he will be a key component to this offense in taking on that grunt work, and maybe catching a few passes. 

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I agree. When we drafted him a year ago I was very skeptical and disappointed w/ the pick. Since then, we have cut Vonta and moved on into a new offense. If you saw the recent highlight vid of Juice on the Ravens Videos you would easily see that this kid has worked insanely hard this offseason, honestly looks like a Peyton Hillis clone. I too think he will be a key component to this offense in taking on that grunt work, and maybe catching a few passes. 

i see him as a pretty big part of the passing game, more so than the run game. he looked so fluid and natural in that video running routes and catching the ball, its obvious that was his strong point in college when you watch that.

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i see him as a pretty big part of the passing game, more so than the run game. he looked so fluid and natural in that video running routes and catching the ball, its obvious that was his strong point in college when you watch that.

 

He catches the ball with his hands outside of his body, I like that. Definitely looks like a natural. Kubiak has always loved PA passes to the FB in the flat .. put Juice in space like that and he will truck some DB's. 

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He catches the ball with his hands outside of his body, I like that. Definitely looks like a natural. Kubiak has always loved PA passes to the FB in the flat .. put Juice in space like that and he will truck some DB's. 

my rthoughts exactly, its almost as if ozzie predicted us signing kubiak when he drafted him a whole year earlier, the guy has potential to be such a great x factor in a kubiak system

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It looks like we'll get huge production out of this group. Elam and Wagner will start, Williams and Brown will probably have shared roles and see significant time. Lewis-Moore looks good and should be a starter or rotational 3rd down pass rusher. Jensen has impressed initially and looks like a depth player almost anywhere on the line. Juice is going to see snaps in a HB role and some say he will have a big role in this offense.

They have all impressed in OTAs and if any percentage of that holds true this season, we should see large dividends on possibly one of our best all-around drafts in team history. 

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Usually I don't like to watch other guys highlight videos and project another guy to that scheme or system, but that's exactly what I did with James Casey. I went back to the 2012 season and Casey was basically used as a 3rd TE and a lot of his catches came while lining up outside the OT. I can see Juice being used in a very similar way.

 

Juice will basically be a TE who can line up in the backfield as well and block too. Kubes will have so much flexibility with him. I'm interested in seeing both Pitta and O.D. on the field at the same time with Juice as well. That would put so much pressure on a defenses LBs and Safeties. Or line up with Pitta,. O.D, Juice, Rice and BP all on the field at the same time. That would all but force a defense to play heavy to honor the run, but all those guys a capable pass catchers as well. Line Pitta up out wide, with O.D, Juice and BP in a bunch formation on the opposite side, while Rice is the lone back. Do you defend that with Nickle or your base defensive package.

 

It's great to finally have an offense that will be creatively unpredictable.

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It looks like we'll get huge production out of this group. Elam and Wagner will start, Williams and Brown will probably have shared roles and see significant time. Lewis-Moore looks good and should be a starter or rotational 3rd down pass rusher. Jensen has impressed initially and looks like a depth player almost anywhere on the line. Juice is going to see snaps in a HB role and some say he will have a big role in this offense.

They have all impressed in OTAs and if any percentage of that holds true this season, we should see large dividends on possibly one of our best all-around drafts in team history.

 

I continue to feel like Simon is the forgotten man who could impress from that group. We definitely could use some help in the pass rush department so the opportunities will be there for him and I think he'll capitalize on them. Also can't wait to see how comfortable and free Elam plays this year.

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I know we drafted Mosley and re-signed Smith but I really like Arthur Brown as a potential player who could earn more time. I think we'll use three LB more and more this year. That will help him stay on the field.

I also love Williams and Lewis-Moore as players who all likely standout. I think Williams will be much more prominent, however, with KLM in more of a reserve and rotational role.

I'm not sure how I feel about Juszczyk but I'm saying both he and Marlon don't impress much this year. I think Marlon will slump and I see Juszczyk struggling to learn and execute the new offense.

I think Wagner will definitely play a major role.

 

You think a Harvard grad playing fullback will have a difficult time learning the offense? I'm gonna disagree with you for once, lol. Any fullback who struggles to learn an offense simply doesn't belong in the league. Fullback is the easiest position to learn. You never hear about fullbacks struggling to learn a system. The execution part though, I can see. The jury is still out on his blocking.

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Usually I don't like to watch other guys highlight videos and project another guy to that scheme or system, but that's exactly what I did with James Casey. I went back to the 2012 season and Casey was basically used as a 3rd TE and a lot of his catches came while lining up outside the OT. I can see Juice being used in a very similar way.

 

Juice will basically be a TE who can line up in the backfield as well and block too. Kubes will have so much flexibility with him. I'm interested in seeing both Pitta and O.D. on the field at the same time with Juice as well. That would put so much pressure on a defenses LBs and Safeties. Or line up with Pitta,. O.D, Juice, Rice and BP all on the field at the same time. That would all but force a defense to play heavy to honor the run, but all those guys a capable pass catchers as well. Line Pitta up out wide, with O.D, Juice and BP in a bunch formation on the opposite side, while Rice is the lone back. Do you defend that with Nickle or your base defensive package.

 

It's great to finally have an offense that will be creatively unpredictable.

i would say a wishbone formation with juice and BP up front, rice as the tailback, and OD as the inline TE, it would be more effective if rice could be up front as he and juice are better pass catchers, but rice isnt built to line up that close to the LOS.

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The last two drafts are full of players that have us all excited to see how they pan out. 2013 was a solid draft, elam should continue to grow and fit into the defense, along with his leadership in our still young dbacks crew. Arthur brown was easily a favorite around here and we were all pretty excited that we snagged him in the second round especially with the run on lbs in the second round. He played pretty well in his limited nickle role and I can see him forcing the coaching staff to create some type of rotation in order to maximize arthur brown's playing time. I was a huge fan of brandon williams during the draft and I was excited when we drafted him, even though I didn't think nose tackle was a huge need at the time but he is a player well worth getting in the third round. Art jones leaves a huge whole in our dline in terms of snaps, I think the coaching staff will get creative on who to plug in that position. I think brandon williams sees significant playing time, along with Kapron lewis moore.

 

However the guy I'm looking most forward to see is Rick wagner. He played pretty well in Wisc on both the Right and left side of the line, and that college is known for producing tackles and their running game has been top tier the past 5ish years so that must say something about pedigree of their lineman. All that aside, I liked this pick a lot especially with the value we got him at, in the  5th round. The reason why I'm excited is because he is getting a lot of look at RT with the first team offense. It seems like he is going to be the starter at RT if he gets through training camp and preseason without messing up this opportunity for himself. What he has going for him is that he is a great run blocker and Kubiak's offense relies on great run blockers.

 

Matt elam is hands down my favorite player from this class but it will be interesting to see if wagner can solidify the RT position for the next 3 years at least

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I see Juice (Starting FB) , KLM(top rotational DE/starter?), Brandon Williams(Rotation with Ngata at NT), Wagner (Starting RT), Brown (#3 MLB, maybe even jumping up to a starter towards the end of the year), and Elam (starting SS) with sizable roles. i think Simon could carve out a pass rushing role a la Kruger and he is solid ST at worst. Jensen looks to be a very good backup and Anthony/mellete are long gone. this probably goes down as one of our better drafts.

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I will wait before I blow up any member of this class. We've had histories of up and downs drafts.

Especially years like 2004 we hit on 1/7 players (14%) dwan edwards

2005 we hit on 2/7 (29%)clayton, brown

2006 we hit on 3/10 (30%) ngata, landry, and koch

2007 was good 3/7 (43%) grubbs, yanda, and mcclain,

2008 3/10 (30%) flacco, rice, and Zib

2009 best year statistically 3/6 (50%)webb, kruger, and oher

2010 2/7 (29%) pitta, jones

2011 2/8 (25%) Smith brothers

2012 2/8 (25%)Upshaw, Osemele

 

Results we average a 40% from 2006-2012

2013 2-3 players will hit 

2014 2-3 players will hit

 

The good news is 2013 and 2014 we have 18 new players on our roster to develop especially our 2013 class.

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