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Grading the 2011 Draft

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So, Bleacher Report draft expert Matt Miller graded the 2011 draft. I wasn't expecting anything higher than a C because he's not that high on Jimmy (after his B.S. cornerback ranking) and only Torrey Smith was another high impact player.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2077212-matt-miller-re-grades-the-2011-nfl-draft/page/4

Well, I was pleasantly surprised to see those grades. He's really come around on Jimmy and admitted in some recent articles that Jimmy played well, just had to be more consistent yearly. I was also surprised to see an A for McPhee, who I'm guessing he thinks will start for Art Jones, and a C for Jah Ried, but I'm guessing that has to do with Ried actually having started games at one point.

Your thoughts?

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Not an attack on you, but don't most people claim Miller is a clueless hack? I happened to see that earlier today and was going to post it, but was too lazy. I think that draft turned out alright. Got key pieces on both sides of the ball and helpful role players. I think when we look back, the 12 and 13 drafts could be something like that as well.

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Not an attack on you, but don't most people claim Miller is a clueless hack? I happened to see that earlier today and was going to post it, but was too lazy. I think that draft turned out alright. Got key pieces on both sides of the ball and helpful role players. I think when we look back, the 12 and 13 drafts could be something like that as well.

 

As a scout of rookies, I think Miller is one of the best in the media.

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Not an attack on you, but don't most people claim Miller is a clueless hack? I happened to see that earlier today and was going to post it, but was too lazy. I think that draft turned out alright. Got key pieces on both sides of the ball and helpful role players. I think when we look back, the 12 and 13 drafts could be something like that as well.

I hate when Miller tries to scout the NFL as a whole, but he's one of the best talent evaluators for college players. He's not always right, but he's made some good calls that GM's missed (Allen, Jeffrey). He's also had some misses himself, like JJ Watt not being able to play the 3-4, if I remember correctly

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As a scout of rookies, I think Miller is one of the best in the media.

Agreed. That's the only time of year I follow him on twitter haha
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Why are you reading bleacherreport?

 

"Expert" Matt Miller

He's probably one of the best talent evaluators of the draft around. Bleacher Report as a whole may be bad, but there are a few good writers
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Matt Miller "NFL Expert"

NFL Draft expert, not NFL expert Edited by Moderator 3
Once was too many
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Can we try to stay on track here and stop acting like everything to come from BR.com is bad? That's not the point of the thread

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NFL Draft expert, not NFL expert

He does top 100 ranking and such. He thinks he's an NFL expert. 

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He does top 100 ranking and such. He thinks he's an NFL expert.

He may think that, but he's only good when it comes to the draft, which he actually is good at
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Can we try to stay on track here and stop acting like everything to come from BR.com is bad? That's not the point of the thread

Can we please save "BR.com" for this site?

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Can we please save "BR.com" for this site?

I mean, we can, but it's the shortened version of both, so it may just be easier to say BaltimoreRavens.com and BleacherReport.com to avoid confusion at any given point.

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Matt Miller is just a dude with a platform. I think he does an OK job, but he's not an expert by any stretch. In fact I don't think such a thing exists. The closest would be former scouts like Jeremiah.

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D seems low for Tyrod considering Mallett got a B- and has done equally nothing but be a backup by default. 

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Doesn't seem fair to rate TT as an 'D'. After all, was Aaron Rodgers a 'D' also when he was riding the pine those years?

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I think Jah Reid grade should be a D- not a C. I read that earlier. Also I'd give McPhee B not an A. Because his rookie year set the bar ( at A status) since then injuries and this odd positional change has lead to less production.

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Matt Miller is just a dude with a platform. I think he does an OK job, but he's not an expert by any stretch. In fact I don't think such a thing exists. The closest would be former scouts like Jeremiah.

yea imo dj and mayock are clearly the top two. You also have cosell as well. Mayock doesn't have his own twitter and on nfln you sometimes get the feeling he won't ever say anything bad about someone. Thats his only flaw
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I wish Charlie Casserly would do mock drafts and such. That guy knows football and players better than all these "mock draft experts" put together

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Not an attack on you, but don't most people claim Miller is a clueless hack? I happened to see that earlier today and was going to post it, but was too lazy. I think that draft turned out alright. Got key pieces on both sides of the ball and helpful role players. I think when we look back, the 12 and 13 drafts could be something like that as well.

Nah, miller is good. he's not the best by a long stretch, but Bleacher report is almost complete trash and he is one of the few bright spots.

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2011 was a pretty good draft. Obviously we missed on Reid and Doss, but I think Chykie can contribute a little this year, Torrey and Jimmy are our young superstars, and McPhee is a great rotational guy.

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2011 was a pretty good draft. Obviously we missed on Reid and Doss, but I think Chykie can contribute a little this year, Torrey and Jimmy are our young superstars, and McPhee is a great rotational guy.

I wish they had tried Doss returning punts earlier because he was phenomenal for a few weeks. Had to learn when to field it better, but he did well

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I wish they had tried Doss returning punts earlier because he was phenomenal for a few weeks. Had to learn when to field it better, but he did well

Ross never felt comfortable,come could see it. It may have been pressure, very unfortunate though
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yea imo dj and mayock are clearly the top two. You also have cosell as well. Mayock doesn't have his own twitter and on nfln you sometimes get the feeling he won't ever say anything bad about someone. Thats his only flaw

you can always tell when Mayock doesn't really like a guy but tries to put a good spin on him

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you can always tell when Mayock doesn't really like a guy but tries to put a good spin on him

you can, I just wish he could be honest but you can understand why nfln won't let them criticse players
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I can't trash bleacher report. They are making some serious cash there

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I wish they had tried Doss returning punts earlier because he was phenomenal for a few weeks. Had to learn when to field it better, but he did well

I can still remember Cleveland...

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I can still remember Cleveland...

Bad times. That was one of my most gut-wrenching days for a while.

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you can, I just wish he could be honest but you can understand why nfln won't let them criticse players

 

It's not fair to the players. If Mayock says 1st round prospect QB Joe Michaels has poor work ethic and no upside, that he can't make all the throws etc. then it's gonna cost the kid millions. He knows that so that's why he doesn't bash any players, he doesn't want to be the reason why this guy or that guy drops 1-2 rounds or doesn't even get drafted.

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It's not fair to the players. If Mayock says 1st round prospect QB Joe Michaels has poor work ethic and no upside, that he can't make all the throws etc. then it's gonna cost the kid millions. He knows that so that's why he doesn't bash any players, he doesn't want to be the reason why this guy or that guy drops 1-2 rounds or doesn't even get drafted.

Teams could care less what media experts think
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Teams could care less what media experts think

 

Mayock is highly respected around the league, he knows the players well and if he sees something that's wrong with a player those teams listen. He's not Mel Kiper. Go ask the agents that keep complaining about Mayock whenever he says something negative about one of their players, that he's hurting their draft stock with those comments. They know because they're the ones talking to the teams.

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Bad times. That was one of my most gut-wrenching days for a while.

For sure. That is when Doss was completely and utterly useless to use

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Yeah, I find it hard to believe any team bases their draft board around Mayocks opinions

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Can we try to stay on track here and stop acting like everything to come from BR.com is bad? That's not the point of the thread

 

Ah, good old Bleacher Report. Where their sources are about as good as mine or yours. Especially if it means copying a message board and citing it as fact. I will never forget the day they used our forum as a source.

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Ah, good old Bleacher Report. Where their sources are about as good as mine or yours. Especially if it means copying a message board and citing it as fact. I will never forget the day they used our forum as a source.

Many writers do reference this site or news sites, but some like Miller actually talk to scouts and personnel

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Ah, good old Bleacher Report. Where their sources are about as good as mine or yours. Especially if it means copying a message board and citing it as fact. I will never forget the day they used our forum as a source.

Link? Not that I don't believe you, I want to read said piece.

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Ah, good old Bleacher Report. Where their sources are about as good as mine or yours. Especially if it means copying a message board and citing it as fact. I will never forget the day they used our forum as a source.

 

Wait when was this?

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Link? Not that I don't believe you, I want to read said piece.

  

Wait when was this?

Some of the writers will reference our site, usually just the Baltimore Ravens sections writers. Lower level workers with less access to actual people

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