3 Ravens kicked out of bar for being too drunk ?

[flynismo]

All the more reason to Crush that pitiful organization. To drive them from the field in shame and to hear the lamentation of their fanbase.

Can't shame someone who has no pride

[Bullrush]

These days with all those TMZ nerds running around with their smartphones trying to tape everything they can, virtually everything gets blown way out of proportion. Either that or everybody jumps the gun without really knowing the story and what has really happened. All they read is the headline on TMZ that somebody got arrested and instantly everybody shuns that person without knowing the facts.

[Bltravens]

I'm trying to be realistic here, pretty much EVERYONE has gone through the partying phase (aka college LOL) of their lives. But truth be told, the people who are in their mid to late 20s who are still in that phase are more often than not total screwups...not passing judgment on anyone, just making the observation that a lot of those people are underachievers (or worse). I should also clarify that the 'party phase' implies either alcohol or drugs.

So that we aren't making it sound personal, just look at our team for example....Flacco was married with a child at that age. Torrey doesn't drink at all. Many other examples as well, but the point is simply that when you have the money these guys do, there are much better ways to enjoy life...I always felt like drugs and drinking were a way for people to let loose who don't have the means (money) to enjoy the better things in life.

Not saying that a few drinks is bad or anything, but if a person's idea of fun is hanging out at a bar or club regularly it says a lot about their mindset

 I hear where you're coming from, but I just can't help but feel its somewhat normal behaviour.  I was a baseball guy and after every game the only damn places open to get food after were bar/grill places and an emphasis on the bar part.  Having some beers with the guys after games was just normal and in alot of cases helped expedite guys getting to know each other, thus improving team chemistry.  Obviously theres a difference between what Im describing and going to a straight club where you can't even hear yourself think and you have other goals.  

My only issue would be having guys at the puking or blacking out stage.  Theres realistically no instances when that needs to happen.  Other than that, athletes drinking afters hours is just normal to me.

[Bltravens]

The Ravens should make a Break room that can become a lounge after hours at the castle so players can have a few under supervision and a bus ride home. They make enough to hire a dj or band or whatnot. Would keep them out of the news for sure

Mail this to the castle

Dibs on being the bartender.

[Inqui]

 I hear where you're coming from, but I just can't help but feel its somewhat normal behaviour.  I was a baseball guy and after every game the only damn places open to get food after were bar/grill places and an emphasis on the bar part.  Having some beers with the guys after games was just normal and in alot of cases helped expedite guys getting to know each other, thus improving team chemistry.  Obviously theres a difference between what Im describing and going to a straight club where you can't even hear yourself think and you have other goals.  

My only issue would be having guys at the puking or blacking out stage.  Theres realistically no instances when that needs to happen.  Other than that, athletes drinking afters hours is just normal to me.

Even if they're out puking back stage I'm personally not too worried. If they're not hurting anyone it's not really my business, yours or anyone else's (although with some posts here you have to wonder).

[Bltravens]

Even if they're out puking back stage I'm personally not too worried. If they're not hurting anyone it's not really my business, yours or anyone else's (although with some posts here you have to wonder).

Well its obviously not up to me.  I was talking as if I was the HC.  If Im the HC of the Ravens I definitely don't want my professional athletes puking off booze like they're 16 year olds.  But I'm not too worried about guys drinking.  I'd just stress using the chauffeur service the NFL guys get and how it would be anonymous for the team.

[DynastyofBaltimore]

I saw quite a bit about this on another site. Apparently it was actually a player's cousin that was overly drunk, not one of our players. There was no trouble, they left quietly. Besides, who (of age anyhow) hasn't gotten drunk in Ocean City?

Who, not of age, hasn't in Ocean City? Sorry, I live down here and I'm willing to spill the truth lol I see kids in the papers all the time getting arrested for underage drinking. 

[ravens533]

Read a report on PFT that state that the owner said there was no trouble with our guys. There was a disturbance and club personnel were asking questions about who saw what. Our guys left so there would be no problems for them. They later came back to the club. If they had really been thrown out, they would not have been let back in later that same evening/night. I owe Jacoby an apology.

[Alexir]

No, they are not role models by virtue of the job. They are role models by choice.

They did it on a holiday weekend, allegedly. Apparently they didn't actually get thrown out, but you people are ridiculous when you act like they aren't human beings as well

 

Oh wah. 

 

http://www.tmz.com/2014/05/28/jacoby-jones-baltimore-ravens-seacrets-bernard-pierce-jimmy-smith/

 

Looks like they are getting kicked out to me or is that like the Ray Rice video where some of you though him dragging her wasn't showing anything?

[Tank 92]

LMAO at people throwing our players under the bus every time they fart.  Too much!

 

[BmoreBird22]

Oh wah. 

 

http://www.tmz.com/2014/05/28/jacoby-jones-baltimore-ravens-seacrets-bernard-pierce-jimmy-smith/

 

Looks like they are getting kicked out to me or is that like the Ray Rice video where some of you though him dragging her wasn't showing anything?

This is not the Ray Rice thread, but that's a crappy video from someone's phone, but now it tells the whole story? (Not to mention it's from TMZ, which loves to twist stories.) They were in Ocean City, Maryland. You know, the same state where they play and are huge celebrities. Could have been escorted out to avoid being mobbed. Yeah, just ignore the fact that the GM of the bar said they were not asked to leave.

Still doesn't change the fact that football players are not meant to be role players and an employee said they were not kicked out.

[Guest RBates]

Im drunk in OC right now. No story here.

lol figures we need to make changes to our fan base.  Lmao  Cheers bro!!!!

[Alexir]

LMAO at people throwing our players under the bus every time they fart. Too much!

Yeah because that's what we are doing....

In Jacoby's case, he came in last season after dancing with the stars out of shape, first month of the season he is out because some hooker hit him in the head with a bottle and now as a 30 year old man he is stumbling out of Seacrets.

I'm not that mad at Jimmy or Bernard but Jacoby needs to grow the hell up. Like I said, if you are that old and you need to still get that wasted, what a sad life you life IMO

[flynismo]

LMAO at people throwing our players under the bus every time they fart. Too much!

It's a reflection of those people, not the players.

The Internet Moral Authorities are like the Flacco hating crew (in fact, they are probably one and the same)....a very small minority, but very loud about their judgment.

[Tank 92]

Yeah because that's what we are doing....

In Jacoby's case, he came in last season after dancing with the stars out of shape, first month of the season he is out because some hooker hit him in the head with a bottle and now as a 30 year old man he is stumbling out of Seacrets.

I'm not that mad at Jimmy or Bernard but Jacoby needs to grow the hell up. Like I said, if you are that old you need to still get that wasted, what a sad life you life.

Look, the fact is that folks are not expected to stop partying or having a good time just because they are recognizable figures. Things like this, and much much worse, have been going on forever. Social media, cell phones, etc. have made it next to impossible for these guys to do anything without it being recorded and exploited by trash media like TMZ. Imagine if smart phone toting leeches followed Joe Namath around, or any number of HOF players. By your standards the halls of Canton would be empty!

And wow! A single man 30 years old can't go out to a club and have a good time without being persecuted? And you somehow rationalize that Jacoby missed the beginning of the season because of the party bus thing(where does this come from)? Not sure what to say..........

Oh, and bye the bye.......... I think Dragonfly did the Ravens proud in his appearance on DWTS. He showed nothing but class and humility, a true Raven through and through.

[Alexir]

Look, the fact is that folks are not expected to stop partying or having a good time just because they are recognizable figures. Things like this, and much much worse, have been going on forever. Social media, cell phones, etc. have made it next to impossible for these guys to do anything without it being recorded and exploited by trash media like TMZ. Imagine if smart phone toting leeches followed Joe Namath around, or any number of HOF players. By your standards the halls of Canton would be empty! 

 

And wow!  A single man 30 years old can't go out to a club and have a good time without being persecuted? And you somehow rationalize that Jacoby missed the beginning of the season because of the party bus thing(where does this come from)?  Not sure what to say..........

 

Oh, and bye the bye.......... I think Dragonfly did the Ravens proud in his appearance on DWTS. He showed nothing but class and humility, a true Raven through and through.

 

You can go to a club and enjoy yourself. No problem with that. I have problem when you are so wasted that you need someone to carry you out.....

 

And I have no idea what to say to you about the party bus thing?.....Is that not common sense what I am referring to there? Getting loaded up with a bus full of hookers and one of them hits you upside the head because you say something inappropriate?

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah because that's what we are doing....

In Jacoby's case, he came in last season after dancing with the stars out of shape, first month of the season he is out because some hooker hit him in the head with a bottle and now as a 30 year old man he is stumbling out of Seacrets.

I'm not that mad at Jimmy or Bernard but Jacoby needs to grow the hell up. Like I said, if you are that old and you need to still get that wasted, what a sad life you life IMO

I'm not sure why you think he was out because of the party bus incident, which apparently was again twisted by TMZ (is that your favorite "news source"?). He had sprained ligaments in the knee because of Trawick running into him

[Alexir]

I'm not sure why you think he was out because of the party bus incident, which apparently was again twisted by TMZ (is that your favorite "news source"?). He had sprained ligaments in the knee because of Trawick running into him

 

TMZ is not my favorite news source. Neither is ESPN or NFLN but when they are reporting a story, everyone pays attention. As for him being out, yes that was the incident on the Punt return. What I had meant to say is when he is "knocked" out because some hooker hit him in the head.

 

I don't see why some of you plan on defending him so much. He is an adult making millions of dollars and isn't really showing that he can take that contract seriously and he is tarnishing the Owner's reputation. I guess you and Tank don't have jobs where your reputation is tied to your success and tied to you having a job. If a video leaked of me that drunk, I would be unemployed..

[flynismo]

You can go to a club and enjoy yourself. No problem with that. I have problem when you are so wasted that you need someone to carry you out.....

And I have no idea what to say to you about the party bus thing?.....Is that not common sense what I am referring to there? Getting loaded up with a bus full of hookers and one of them hits you upside the head because you say something inappropriate?

I agree with you about getting trashed. It's irresponsible to get that drunk, for obvious reasons. However, two things:

1. We don't know that this is a habitual thing with JJ....or even that he was that drunk in the first place.

2. Even if he was, who cares? I hold myself to standards I think are appropriate. I don't judge other people based on standards I hold myself to, because they may view things completely differently. To me and you, we see a 30 year old man hanging out at a drinking establishment and say "that's definitely not for me". Nothing wrong with that. But we should be careful about imposing our values onto other people. JJ may think there is nothing wrong with going out for drinks with friends, especially when he is a single man in the prime of his life, and nobody but himself to set an example for.

Now, the hanging out with hookers part....meh...if a little pot isn't a big deal to the general public, neither should that. Only difference between a hooker and the usual 'easy' girls / groupies is that you can pay the prostitute to leave. Although I will say that the expression "tell me who your friends are, and I will tell you who you are" is something we should all keep in mind

[Alexir]

I agree with you about getting trashed. It's irresponsible to get that drunk, for obvious reasons. However, two things:

1. We don't know that this is a habitual thing with JJ....or even that he was that drunk in the first place.

2. Even if he was, who cares? I hold myself to standards I think are appropriate. I don't judge other people based on standards I hold myself to, because they may view things completely differently. To me and you, we see a 30 year old man hanging out at a drinking establishment and say "that's definitely not for me". Nothing wrong with that. But we should be careful about imposing our values onto other people. JJ may think there is nothing wrong with going out for drinks with friends, especially when he is a single man in the prime of his life, and nobody but himself to set an example for.

Now, the hanging out with hookers part....meh...if a little pot isn't a big deal to the general public, neither should that. Only difference between a hooker and the usual 'easy' girls / groupies is that you can pay the prostitute to leave. Although I will say that the expression "tell me who your friends are, and I will tell you who you are" is something we should all keep in mind

 

I agree to an extent with your points. I just find it funny that many pointed the finger at Big Ben and Josh Gordon with their issues but we have our own issues going on and it's "no big deal". Hopefully this is the last of the off the field issues. Jimmy and Bernard were there too and they are younger, haven't been a top storyline in the past for their off the field issues so I am very fine with them being there but you are right, if Jacoby wants to be a 30 year old still hanging around clubs hitting on girls 9 years younger then him while getting frat guy wasted, more power to him. But that probably shows why he has never fully reached his potential, priorities aren't straight.

[BmoreBird22]

TMZ is not my favorite news source. Neither is ESPN or NFLN but when they are reporting a story, everyone pays attention. As for him being out, yes that was the incident on the Punt return. What I had meant to say is when he is "knocked" out because some hooker hit him in the head.

 

I don't see why some of you plan on defending him so much. He is an adult making millions of dollars and isn't really showing that he can take that contract seriously and he is tarnishing the Owner's reputation. I guess you and Tank don't have jobs where your reputation is tied to your success and tied to you having a job. If a video leaked of me that drunk, I would be unemployed..

Apparently that incident didn't happen. Multiple sources said that. Just because it made TV doesn't mean it happened, you know.

I think people realize it's my life and why should they be worried about what I do in my free time? If it was affecting my performance at work or my ability to get to work, I'm sure I'd be without a job, but employers don't tell employees how to live their lives outside of work if it doesn't affect their work. You people need to realize they are humans as well and should not be held to ridiculous standards

[BmoreBird22]

I agree to an extent with your points. I just find it funny that many pointed the finger at Big Ben and Josh Gordon with their issues but we have our own issues going on and it's "no big deal". Hopefully this is the last of the off the field issues. Jimmy and Bernard were there too and they are younger, haven't been a top storyline in the past for their off the field issues so I am very fine with them being there but you are right, if Jacoby wants to be a 30 year old still hanging around clubs hitting on girls 9 years younger then him while getting frat guy wasted, more power to him. But that probably shows why he has never fully reached his potential, priorities aren't straight.

The difference here is that what Jacoby and company allegedly did is not illegal. What Josh Gordon has done multiple times is illegal and against the CBA. Ben was never convicted so I'll just let that one lie

[flynismo]

The difference here is that what Jacoby and company allegedly did is not illegal. What Josh Gordon has done multiple times is illegal

Well, yes and no..JJ did nothing illegal, but we are looking more at it from a personal development POV. Alexir makes a very strong point, when he speculated on why JJ has never developed into more than a complementary player. The past two years has been a revelation into who JJ is as a person. He is a great guy, a true team player, and frankly, my second favorite player on offense after Flacco. However, JJ the professional leaves much to be desired.

[dhstandard]

I drink to intoxication, as does everyine I know when we go out.

 

Or every time we lost a game.  

[flynismo]

Or every time we lost a game.

Or on days that have the letter A in it

[BmoreBird22]

Well, yes and no..JJ did nothing illegal, but we are looking more at it from a personal development POV. Alexir makes a very strong point, when he speculated on why JJ has never developed into more than a complementary player. The past two years has been a revelation into who JJ is as a person. He is a great guy, a true team player, and frankly, my second favorite player on offense after Flacco. However, JJ the professional leaves much to be desired.

He may just not be anything more than a complementary player. Not every player is going to be an NFL great. I don't think him enjoying himself in the offseason is a concern

[flynismo]

He may just not be anything more than a complementary player. Not every player is going to be an NFL great. I don't think him enjoying himself in the offseason is a concern

When you are at their level of skill, it is often the little things that seperate the greats from the role players. It's no coincidence that you rarely hear stories like this about guys like Manning or Brady or Rodgers, etc...they are true professionals on and off the field, not party boys. It isn't about the physical act of partying, it is all about the mindset and maturity.

[BmoreBird22]

When you are at their level of skill, it is often the little things that seperate the greats from the role players. It's no coincidence that you rarely hear stories like this about guys like Manning or Brady or Rodgers, etc...they are true professionals on and off the field, not party boys. It isn't about the physical act of partying, it is all about the mindset and maturity.

I will say they are the consummate pros when it comes to studying, but coaching has a lot to do with that. It's not like Hostler could really help him take the top off his game, although, he did get much better here in Baltimore

[Tank 92]

Well, yes and no..JJ did nothing illegal, but we are looking more at it from a personal development POV. Alexir makes a very strong point, when he speculated on why JJ has never developed into more than a complementary player. The past two years has been a revelation into who JJ is as a person. He is a great guy, a true team player, and frankly, my second favorite player on offense after Flacco. However, JJ the professional leaves much to be desired.

 

 

IDK, I'm not buying into Jacoby's lifestyle away from the field has stunted his career. I think he is who he is and that he worked extremely hard last off season to become a better receiver, only to be derailed by Trawick and a pathetic offense. Even at that, you could see the improvements.

 

While Dragonfly may not be a "star" at WR, I wouldn't characterize him as just a "complementary player" either.  That type of guy doesn't play in a SB and perform as arguably the co-MVP.  Is he the consummate professional athlete? Probably not. But as the saying goes, all trees are not oaks.    

[flynismo]

IDK, I'm not buying into Jacoby's lifestyle away from the field has stunted his career.

It's not that I think it has stunted his career. But, I also have real doubts about whether he is the type of guy who puts that extra effort into his career that is needed to be the best you can be.

And even if that is the case, that doesn't make him some terrible person, there are more important things in life than your job / career. Drinking with the boys isn't one of them though.