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Feeling good about the Flacco/Kubiak relationship

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I watched the interview (I'd recommend it to all)  on the front page and read the story following and came away with the impression that this offense and Flacco has the potential to make big strides this season.  I'd love to see something better than the 2010 season and believe it can be done in Kubiak's system.

 

Looking forward to exciting things this summer!!

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I watched the interview (I'd recommend it to all)  on the front page and read the story following and came away with the impression that this offense and Flacco has the potential to make big strides this season.  I'd love to see something better than the 2010 season and believe it can be done in Kubiak's system.

 

Looking forward to exciting things this summer!!

If you are excited, I think everyone can be, and should be, excited. Kubiak really knows how to get the best out of his quarterbacks.

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According to a article from NFl.com

 

One responsibility Schaub didn't have in Gary Kubiak's offense during his seven seasons with the Houston Texans was the ability to make his own checks and calls at the line. The 32-year-old quarterback hints that he might finally have those duties.

 

 

I'm excited that we finally have a offensive coordinator that isn't average but I think a free Flacco is a better  Flacco. One of the main problems Flacco had with Cam Cameron was that he wouldn't allow him to make his own calls at the line or his own checks. 

 

If Gary Kubiak comes with that same philosophy then  it may cause some problems but hopefully Flacco or even Harbaugh will have a talk with him about this .

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According to a article from NFl.com

 

I'm excited that we finally have a offensive coordinator that isn't average but I think a free Flacco is a better  Flacco. One of the main problems Flacco had with Cam Cameron was that he wouldn't allow him to make his own calls at the line or his own checks. 

 

If Gary Kubiak comes with that same philosophy then  it may cause some problems but hopefully Flacco or even Harbaugh will be able to have a talk with him about this .

Gary has said he will give his quarterback as much as he can handle, so if that means Flacco's mental game is up enough that he can handle checks and audibles, I'm sure that Gary will give him that option.

 

However, you have to remember that with no audibles or checks, Schaub led the league in passing yards and was a Pro-Bowler, so it's not like this system is bad and needs checks and audibles like Cameron's.

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Sooooooo is Flacco gonna work out with his WRers or not........?

 

Sooooo did you know that OTAs are going on now or not?

 

 

Also, it sounds like Flacco tried to meet with them, but scheduling conflicts and distance got in the way. Additionally, Joe never got a chance to work on the playbook with Kubiak and the WRs until, well, yesterday. League rules prevented Kubiak from working with the offense, as you may or may not know. 

 

I'm also wondering why all the blame for this is on Joe and not the WRs. For all we know, Joe tried to organize work outs but the WRs couldn't make it... 

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I like the recent positive posts Hardbaugh... You're no longer a pessimist it seems! :D

I too am excited. A little nervous about how fast all these new pieces click, but mostly excited.

Our offense is dealing with a lot of new changes...

New playbook,system(philosophy,terminology), some personnel changes and a pretty much brand new coaching staff...

I think the chemistry will be the biggest challenge early on. Especially between the offensive lineman. It's pretty much a brand new set of guys besides Yanda and K.O. entering what really should be considered his 2nd season since he was injured early on last year.

I'm also really excited to see how Marlon Brown progresses. I can see him quietly having a very big season for us. I think he'll thrive in this system. I hope Kubiak uses him mostly on comebacks and in the redzone.

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I'm expecting our offense will struggle a little bit in the preseason and first couple games of season, and after that we will excel and dominate. 

 

But Kubiak's system will help our offense immensely, especially Flacco...

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Gary has said he will give his quarterback as much as he can handle, so if that means Flacco's mental game is up enough that he can handle checks and audibles, I'm sure that Gary will give him that option.

 

However, you have to remember that with no audibles or checks, Schaub led the league in passing yards and was a Pro-Bowler, so it's not like this system is bad and needs checks and audibles like Cameron's.i 

 

 

You make some good points.I just had my concerns because we all know Flacco likes to make his own calls and he seems to be more comfortable at times when he's able to change a play when he wants. I think every franchise quarterback likes to audible and it can be benefitcal at times because some times the quarterback can see things from the opposing defense that the offensive coordinator can't. 

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I'am feeling good about the QB/OC relationship as well. Kubiak is the OC I've been waiting on for years now. IMO, he's the best fit for the Ravens and a QB like Flacco. His scheme is battle tested and his experience with SB winning teams and QB's is proven. 

 

I think that this scheme will be extremely easy for the offense to grasp. Last year we had zero offensive identity and a muddled Cam Cameron playbook that Caldwell tried to tweak with but not change. Now, we have a concrete playbook with players like Jacoby and Daniels who know what is up. 

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You make some good points.I just had my concerns because we all know Flacco likes to make his own calls and he seems to be more comfortable at times when he's able to change a play when he wants. I think every franchise quarterback likes to audible and it can be benefitcal at times because some times the quarterback can see things from the opposing defense that the offensive coordinator can't.

I definitely think Joe is at his best when he runs a no huddle shotgun offense. Given that Kubiak "loves" to run the football, isn't it odd that the Ravens cut Leach and didn't bring in real completion at fullback, or a traditional fullback?

I think the Ravens will have an entirely new Kubiak offense where he still uses a lot of two tight end bootleg, but we may see a lot of shotgun and some no huddle. Kubiak is smart enough to tailor the offense to Joe

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I definitely think Joe is at his best when he runs a no huddle shotgun offense. Given that Kubiak "loves" to run the football, isn't it odd that the Ravens cut Leach and didn't bring in real completion at fullback, or a traditional fullback?

 

I've always thought that too. Mainly since that Arizona game a few years ago when we were down 20+ points ... and then the Steelers comeback in Torrey's rookie year. I love the no huddle shotgun as a change up; but in the end you can't win without a running attack. 

 

I think Kubiak will use more Single Back formations with more TE's and WR's as opposed to a standard I-Form type deal. But, we do have Kyle Juice who's that H-Back type that Kubiak loved to use after Vonta left Houston. 

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I definitely think Joe is at his best when he runs a no huddle shotgun offense. Given that Kubiak "loves" to run the football, isn't it odd that the Ravens cut Leach and didn't bring in real completion at fullback, or a traditional fullback?

I think the Ravens will have an entirely new Kubiak offense where he still uses a lot of two tight end bootleg, but we may see a lot of shotgun and some no huddle. Kubiak is smart enough to tailor the offense to Joe

Agreed 100% with that.

That's part of the reason I was so for us drafting Eric Ebron. I understood the argument of needing a blocking TE more, especially in Kubiak's system, but I feel he's more than capable of making the proper adjustments for his personnel to succeed in whatever scheme he wants to run. Granted, I thought If Ebron made it to us he would be BPA, so that's just my opinion.

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I've always thought that too. Mainly since that Arizona game a few years ago when we were down 20+ points ... and then the Steelers comeback in Torrey's rookie year. I love the no huddle shotgun as a change up; but in the end you can't win without a running attack. 

 

I think Kubiak will use more Single Back formations with more TE's and WR's as opposed to a standard I-Form type deal. But, we do have Kyle Juice who's that H-Back type that Kubiak loved to use after Vonta left Houston.

I wasn't suggesting the Ravens won't run the ball, unlike last year, but I doubt they're a power run team that runs nearly as much as many are expecting
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Agreed 100% with that.

That's part of the reason I was so for us drafting Eric Ebron. I understood the argument of needing a blocking TE more, especially in Kubiak's system, but I feel he's more than capable of making the proper adjustments for his personnel to succeed in whatever scheme he wants to run. Granted, I thought If Ebron made it to us he would be BPA, so that's just my opinion.

I was not a fan of Ebron at all. He reminds me very much of Dickson in the sense that he's an eh blocker, extremely athletic and a mismatch that can stretch the seam, but has questionable hands and can be pushed around. He's got far higher potential, but he's got lots of work to do. Now, ASJ on the other hand, I wanted him badly.
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Flacco will be Flacco... A game manager and a beast in clutch time. He just need to learn how to go beyond his 1st read that the coaches draw up for him

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I wasn't suggesting the Ravens won't run the ball, unlike last year, but I doubt they're a power run team that runs nearly as much as many are expecting

 

No I know you weren't. I do agree that I think Flacco definitely looks his best when he's in the Shotgun no huddle just slinging the pigskin around. I was more commenting to the fact that I do think Kubiak is smart enough to use Flacco to his strengths. I think we will see the typical Kubiak offense. However, when it is called for, he will throw Flacco into that no huddle shotgun. Something he couldn't really do with a guy like Shaub. 

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No I know you weren't. I do agree that I think Flacco definitely looks his best when he's in the Shotgun no huddle just slinging the pigskin around. I was more commenting to the fact that I do think Kubiak is smart enough to use Flacco to his strengths. I think we will see the typical Kubiak offense. However, when it is called for, he will throw Flacco into that no huddle shotgun. Something he couldn't really do with a guy like Shaub.

That's absolutely the biggest thing to remember: Kubiak had Schaub and Foster before. If I had a choice I'd run the ball, too.

This is a different team with more receiving depth, more tight end depth, and a way better quarterback. This won't be Houston's old offense. This will be the Baltimore Ravens' offense.

Plus, I'm not terribly worried if Joe doesn't have tons of audibles. I think I said before, but Kubiak is very smart with making the right play call so that an audible isn't necessary

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I definitely think Joe is at his best when he runs a no huddle shotgun offense. Given that Kubiak "loves" to run the football, isn't it odd that the Ravens cut Leach and didn't bring in real completion at fullback, or a traditional fullback?

I think the Ravens will have an entirely new Kubiak offense where he still uses a lot of two tight end bootleg, but we may see a lot of shotgun and some no huddle. Kubiak is smart enough to tailor the offense to Joe

 

I honestly thought we would keep Leach atleast to provide some solid competition for Juice but it's understandable if they feel like he needs to start now( He was drafted in the fourth round).The type of fullback Juice is isn't really  different from James Casey whom played fullback and tight end for Gary Kubiak.

 

I don't know if Gary Kubiak going to use Juice creatively like  he did with James Casey but we shall see.

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I wasn't suggesting the Ravens won't run the ball, unlike last year, but I doubt they're a power run team that runs nearly as much as many are expecting

yep, I think Flacco will be throwing about 35 times a game, versus about 25 rush attempts. Maybe not those exact numbers of course, but that ratio looks about right to me

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I honestly thought we would keep Leach atleast to provide some solid competition for Juice but it's understandable if they feel like he needs to start now( He was drafted in the fourth round).The type of fullback Juice is isn't really different from James Casey whom played fullback and tight end for Gary Kubiak.

I don't know if Gary Kubiak going to use Juice creatively like he did with James Casey but we shall see.

Draft status doesn't guarantee he'll start at all, and I'd imagine Juice will do more receiving than blocking
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yep, I think Flacco will be throwing about 35 times a game, versus about 25 rush attempts. Maybe not those exact numbers of course, but that ratio looks about right to me

That's very similar to New England and it's worked for them

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i know as ravens fans we show favoritism to flacco but he has to step it up this year. he is the face of the team and with gary k, he should have a breakout year or we are doom

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Everyone is talking like Gary K. just brought the Houston playbook to Baltimore. I do not believe it. We will see a dynamic and different offense under this new regime. It will be a totally new day in Baltimore when the guys hit the field for the first preseason game. Can't wait to watch it.

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As long as we find some better ways to move the pocket and rollout Flacco more often, I think we'll have the recipe for success. Flacco's best assets are his physical talents, and we need to utilize them ALL more, not just his arm strength.

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The thing that stands out to me about the Flacco and Kubes relationship is when Flacco talks about having a OC who he can trust. He spoke about how Kubes is a former QB and " understand" what the QBs are seeing back there. He also talked about having a OC that knows what he wants to do in tight spots of a game. This stands out to me because I've felt like since 2010 there's always been a disconnect between Flacco and his OCs.

Flacco is a self admitted hard headed person and although there has never any public riffs i feel like Flacco and Cam/Caldwell have butted heads over what direction the offense should go in. I get the feeling that Joe finds it hard toreally connect with a guy who has never played the position or maybe i should say he feels more comfortable with guys who can relate to what he goes though as a QB. I don't think it's just happen stance that Joe's best years have come when he's at least had QB coach that played the position. Hue Jackson and Jim Zorn did wonders for Flacco and i think Kubes will do the same and even more.

I've always did the biggest difference between Flacco and other top QBs is that those others guys have playcallers they can trust to put them in favorable positions, even when things start to go awry. Those other guys start getting a bit inaccurate or WRs struggle to get good separation and their playcallers pull out the screens and high percentage passes. I think Joe now has that with Kubes.

I don't want to get into the what Joe will do or the type of season he'll have but i will say this QB/OC match is perfect for Flacco. I just hope it's last for at least 3 years and allows Flacco to really master the system, even if/when Kubes leaves.

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From watching the OTA highlight video I'm really liking our new WR coach so far. I really like how the WRs are breaking out of their routes. Particularly Marlon's highlight on jimmy.

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From watching the OTA highlight video I'm really liking our new WR coach so far. I really like how the WRs are breaking out of their routes. Particularly Marlon's highlight on jimmy.

Never been so excited about one play on a practice clip. That play made me really excited for training camp. I hope i get another chance to take my son to the Castle agian for practice this year. You get Marlon and Torrey running better routes, the underneath possession presence of Pitta, OD, Smith and add the homerun ability of Coby this offense can be really good. That didn't even count the production of the backs in the pass game and rushing game.

I initially worried about our first 3 games of the season because it's only fair to expect the offense to struggle a bit early. However I'm starting to feel that it won't take this offense long to get things moving in the right direction. From what i see the offense isn't nowhere near as complex as the old offense in terms of terminology and what the offense wants to accomplish. I think what really takes this offense to the next level is that you can run the same play from 5 or 6 different alignments. This offense should be excitingto watch early and only continue to get better throughout the season.

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That's very similar to New England and it's worked for them

yep, and it works well for them in large part because they use the dink and dunk as an extension of the running game. what concerns me is that if we were to emulate that formula, we need guys with reliable hands and can play in traffic. Smitty, Pitta and Daniels should have us covered there, but we will need Rice to bounce back in a big way as well...and it wouldn't hurt if he stops the annoying habit of bouncing a very catchable pass off his hands every single week

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