NFL top 10 shortest players all time - Rice snubbed?

[arnie_uk]

Back then it looked ok, he wasn't that old, but know I think he gets cut after this season. Guarantee to get cut if Pierce and Taliaferro play lights out. Bad deal.

the raven and I would I disagree. We got slaughtered here for saying not pay him in his final year

[ravensnick]

the raven and I would I disagree. We got slaughtered here for saying not pay him in his final year

Did you really see last year happening or anything near that bad? I know paying RBs is a bad bet these day, but on paper, it didn't look terrible.

[arnie_uk]

Did you really see last year happening or anything near that bad? I know paying RBs is a bad bet these day, but on paper, it didn't look terrible.

yes to an extent. Hes had far too many touches on his career. We both said he will fall from grace some day. Always felt once he lost a wee bit off quickness he'd be done because he's a kinda soft, can't break tackles.

[beanfigger]

    tell me how my reply was arguing. You mentioned McCoy that hadn't really emerged then, I merely reminded you that people like MJD that were great then have dropped of since. So for every McCoy that's emerged, there's someone that's aged an dropped off.

That's not arguing just to argue as you put it. This right here, is arguing, because I'm proving my point up until now I didn't argue.

 

Arguing, by definition, is just disagreeing.  I didn't mean to put it in a bad context.  It was debating.  I'm just thrown off because you appear here to be disagreeing with my point that he was top ten that particular season, and then later you blew that off as just one year ("one year does not make a career"), which had nothing to do with what I was saying, and also seems to imply that you agree with my point about that one year.    If you agree that he was top ten that year, than why the reply with a counterpoint to my initial response?  Just for fun?  So, if you'd like to debate whether he was top ten that one season, I'm all for it.  I think he was easily top three that year.

[arnie_uk]

Arguing, by definition, is just disagreeing. I didn't mean to put it in a bad context. It was debating. I'm just thrown off because you appear here to be disagreeing with my point that he was top ten that particular season, and then later you blew that off as just one year ("one year does not make a career"), which had nothing to do with what I was saying, and also seems to imply that you agree with my point about that one year. If you agree that he was top ten that year, than why the reply with a counterpoint to my initial response? Just for fun? So, if you'd like to debate whether he was top ten that one season, I'm all for it. I think he was easily top three that year.

again you replied to my post. You changed yhe parameters. Not me. Yes he had one exceptional year, but as runner if you get hands on him he just falls. Staying on your feet being able to break tackles is a necessity as a rb in my book.

We have stopped scheming him into space the past couple years and he's gone downhill.

[BmoreBird22]

He also gets stopped for less than 2 yards more than I like. Id rather someone that consistently hit 3 4 yard runs

Does that mean you wouldn't like Barry Sanders, because I'm pretty sure he led the NFL in career runs for a loss of yardage. Different situation because he was ALWAYS trying to make a play, but I don't think we can say that it's the worst thing in the world to get stopped for two yards. I'd be interested in seeing how the averages for running backs looked if you took out all 20+ yard runs. How well do they consistently do before they break one?

[davy_861]

Probably not in top ten of all time but Mark Mcmillian "MIGHTY MOUSE"(5'7") was fun to watch growing up. Good ball skills and not afraid to lay a hit on a bigger guy.

[beanfigger]

again you replied to my post. You changed yhe parameters. Not me. Yes he had one exceptional year, but as runner if you get hands on him he just falls. Staying on your feet being able to break tackles is a necessity as a rb in my book.

We have stopped scheming him into space the past couple years and he's gone downhill.

I agree. I think we've managed to get pretty good production from our draft pick. I wish he has the next Barry Sanders, but he's not. It's pretty near time to move on, but we have our hands tied a bit with that ridiculous contract.

[arnie_uk]

Does that mean you wouldn't like Barry Sanders, because I'm pretty sure he led the NFL in career runs for a loss of yardage. Different situation because he was ALWAYS trying to make a play, but I don't think we can say that it's the worst thing in the world to get stopped for two yards. I'd be interested in seeing how the averages for running backs looked if you took out all 20+ yard runs. How well do they consistently do before they break one?

never seen barry sanders so can't comment on him.

Its not even breaking a long one. I have nothing to back this up other than a feeling. But I always seem to think he seems to go 0 0 0 6 6 6 for example. Whereas 3 3 3 3 3 3 would be far more beneficial.

[BmoreBird22]

never seen barry sanders so can't comment on him.

Its not even breaking a long one. I have nothing to back this up other than a feeling. But I always seem to think he seems to go 0 0 0 6 6 6 for example. Whereas 3 3 3 3 3 3 would be far more beneficial.

I've only seen highlights of him and old game footage, but he was willing to lose 10 yards if it meant possibly gaining 20.

 

I totally agree. Getting 3 3 3 3 3 is far more efficient. That's how you set yourself up into manageable second and third down situation and not these 3rd and 7 or longer.

[arnie_uk]

I've only seen highlights of him and old game footage, but he was willing to lose 10 yards if it meant possibly gaining 20.

I totally agree. Getting 3 3 3 3 3 is far more efficient. That's how you set yourself up into manageable second and third down situation and not these 3rd and 7 or longer.

and weren't we one of the worst teams for having 3rd and longs, but also ran on 1st and 2nd more than any other team

[BmoreBird22]

and weren't we one of the worst teams for having 3rd and longs, but also ran on 1st and 2nd more than any other team

That would be correct. That was a terrible combination of Rice being impatient and waiting for blocks to develop and an offensive line that was very subpar.

[codizzle]

never seen barry sanders so can't comment on him.

Its not even breaking a long one. I have nothing to back this up other than a feeling. But I always seem to think he seems to go 0 0 0 6 6 6 for example. Whereas 3 3 3 3 3 3 would be far more beneficial.

Stop posting and go find a documentary or nfl films video or something on barry.... Easily my favorite non raven to watch in history of league and favorite outside of ray/reed

[flynismo]

Stop posting and go find a documentary or nfl films video or something on barry.... Easily my favorite non raven to watch in history of league and favorite outside of ray/reed

that should be a law. do not consider yourself a hardcore fan unless you have seen the Sanders (Barry and Deion), Steve Young, and Randy Moss in their primes.

[flynismo]

Rice and Steve Smith not making the list is ludicrous...and really, Bob Sanders?

[codizzle]

that should be a law. do not consider yourself a hardcore fan unless you have seen the Sanders (Barry and Deion), Steve Young, and Randy Moss in their primes.

True that.... I'd throw in Bruce smith Reggie white and Lawrence Taylor

Talk about relentless type players

[PerpetuallyBored74]

that should be a law. do not consider yourself a hardcore fan unless you have seen the Sanders (Barry and Deion), Steve Young, and Randy Moss in their primes.

 

 

True that.... I'd throw in Bruce smith Reggie white and Lawrence Taylor

Talk about relentless type players

 

Walter Payton, Ronnie Lott, Steve Atwater, Mike Alstott, Terrell Davis, Jerry Rice, Brett Favre, Joe Montana, John Elway, Cris Carter.

In their primes, these guys were also thrilling to watch.

 

[BmoreBird22]

that should be a law. do not consider yourself a hardcore fan unless you have seen the Sanders (Barry and Deion), Steve Young, and Randy Moss in their primes.

 

 

Walter Payton, Ronnie Lott, Steve Atwater, Mike Alstott, Terrell Davis, Jerry Rice, Brett Favre, Joe Montana, John Elway, Cris Carter.

In their primes, these guys were also thrilling to watch.

 

I like a football life when they do the segments on some of those players, but I wish there was more available footage of those guys. I haven't seen tons of them, but from the small amount I've seen on a few of them, I wish I could see more.

[codizzle]

Thread getting detailed big time.. This topic deserves it's own thread though

[T3hRaven]

never seen barry sanders so can't comment on him.

Its not even breaking a long one. I have nothing to back this up other than a feeling. But I always seem to think he seems to go 0 0 0 6 6 6 for example. Whereas 3 3 3 3 3 3 would be far more beneficial.

 

That's the same way I see him.  He gets nothing after nothing, breaks off a big one to fix his YPC, and everyone thinks he's a good back.  A lot of drives stalled due to overuse of him and his inability to produce consistent gains.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

That's the same way I see him.  He gets nothing after nothing, breaks off a big one to fix his YPC, and everyone thinks he's a good back.  A lot of drives stalled due to overuse of him and his inability to produce consistent gains.

 

I don't think Rice is ideal for a ZBS. Pierce and Taliaferro are ZBS RB's. But, ever since we made the transition to the ZBS, Rice has grown more hesitant about where to go, which is why he often impatiently just dives forward for a few yards. We'll see if under Kubiak he becomes at least more consistent breaking off 3 - 4 yard runs, and doesn't have so many short/no gains.

[ravensdan]

I've only seen highlights of him and old game footage, but he was willing to lose 10 yards if it meant possibly gaining 20.

I totally agree. Getting 3 3 3 3 3 is far more efficient. That's how you set yourself up into manageable second and third down situation and not these 3rd and 7 or longer.

No ones seen barry sanders play??? God I feel old. He was more like -1, -5, 80 yards house making 11 defenders miss on a single play. No other runner compares IMO.

[flynismo]

No ones seen barry sanders play??? God I feel old. He was more like -1, -5, 80 yards house making 11 defenders miss on a single play. No other runner compares IMO.

Life's great mystery is still what would have happened if he had a half decent OL.

For those too young to have seen him....imagine our OL from last year; now imagine having to play behind that OL every single year of your career. yeah....

[52520Andrew]

Life's great mystery is still what would have happened if he had a half decent OL.

For those too young to have seen him....imagine our OL from last year; now imagine having to play behind that OL every single year of your career. yeah....

Imagine if he played on a team that wasn't the Lions

[ravensdan]

Imagine if he played on a team that wasn't the Lions

Don't forget Scott Mitchell as QB. They did have Good WRs durring his time. If sanders played behend the cowboys line every rush in record would be put in a shelf never to be touched.

[52520Andrew]

Don't forget Scott Mitchell as QB. They did have Good WRs durring his time. If sanders played behend the cowboys line every rush in record would be put in a shelf never to be touched.

Yeah that would have been insane.

[ravensnick]

yes to an extent. Hes had far too many touches on his career. We both said he will fall from grace some day. Always felt once he lost a wee bit off quickness he'd be done because he's a kinda soft, can't break tackles.

Not smart to be a physical runner when your 5'8" 205-210ish. Rice doesn't have the weight or body mass to really be a forceful runner. I think Rice's career as a #1 may be over but we shall see.