NFL top 10 shortest players all time - Rice snubbed?

[codizzle]

Forget rice... The fact that steve smith isn't on that list makes arguing about the list ridiculous

[Inqui]

Forget rice... The fact that steve smith isn't on that list makes arguing about the list ridiculous

I guess you could say they both got...

 

 

...short-changed.

[flynismo]

I guess you could say they both got...

...short-changed.

you have been dying to do that, huh? Lol

[YYZ66]

lol is Bob Sanders really top 5

 

He did dominate in the 8 games that he played in.     LOL

 

And who in the world is Buddy Young??

[arnie_uk]

2010-2011 Rice would have been the best receiving back in the league. Hopefully he bounces back to form

id argue he was never a top 10 runner though. So all in all I always felt he just wasnt quite on the level of the top backs. Could never block either.

[BmoreBird22]

id argue he was never a top 10 runner though. So all in all I always felt he just wasnt quite on the level of the top backs. Could never block either.

Yeah, as a runner... hmmm, top 10. I'm not sure, I'd have to look at it, but he's always so impatient with his blocks, doesn't have great vision, and doesn't really explode through the hole

[beanfigger]

id argue he was never a top 10 runner though. So all in all I always felt he just wasnt quite on the level of the top backs. Could never block either.

I think in his best year (2011) he was probably top ten. I am not sure about any other year, but it would be hard to think of 10 runners that particular season who were better. CJ started his nose dive then, McCoy hadn't really emerged, yet, etc.

[display name]

I think in his best year (2011) he was probably top ten. I am not sure about any other year, but it would be hard to think of 10 runners that particular season who were better. CJ started his nose dive then, McCoy hadn't really emerged, yet, etc.

I think CJ had a pretty good season. In 2011 he averaged a solid 4 yards per carry, and that improved to 4.3 yards in 2012. Overall he was playing very well. McCoy also rushed for 1,000 yards in 2011, but I will agree that Rice had a better season than either of those two players that year.

[arnie_uk]

I think in his best year (2011) he was probably top ten. I am not sure about any other year, but it would be hard to think of 10 runners that particular season who were better. CJ started his nose dive then, McCoy hadn't really emerged, yet, etc.

mjd and the likes were good back then as well. So for every name you remove like mccoy, you could almost put one back on like mjd

[BmoreBird22]

mjd and the likes were good back then as well. So for every name you remove like mccoy, you could almost put one back on like mjd

I guess that's true, but Rice was second in the NFL in rushing (second to MJD, 1364 to 1606 on significantly fewer carries) and averaged a really solid 4.7 yards per carry. He was second to only McCoy in rushing touchdowns (12 to 17), second to only Sproles in receptions and receiving yards (76, 704 to 86, 710), second to only McCoy in rushing and receiving touchdowns (15 to 20), but was number one in yards from scrimmage. 

Honestly, you could make the case for Ray Rice being the best back in the NFL in 2011, but now… Well...

[arnie_uk]

I guess that's true, but Rice was second in the NFL in rushing (second to MJD, 1364 to 1606 on significantly fewer carries) and averaged a really solid 4.7 yards per carry. He was second to only McCoy in rushing touchdowns (12 to 17), second to only Sproles in receptions and receiving yards (76, 704 to 86, 710), second to only McCoy in rushing and receiving touchdowns (15 to 20), but was number one in yards from scrimmage.

Honestly, you could make the case for Ray Rice being the best back in the NFL in 2011, but now… Well...

thats just one season. Rice wasn't really a consistent runner. Even with all the stats, If its 3rd and 4 rice is well down the list of running backs id pick to have run that play.

He was also consistently awful at breaking tackles and yards after contact. Thats been his biggest criticism. Goes down under the first tackle to often.

[BmoreBird22]

thats just one season. Rice wasn't really a consistent runner. Even with all the snaps. If its 3rd and 4 rice is well down the list of running backs id pick to have run that play.

To run as in literally run or run as in be in because I'd definitely keep him in due to the receiving potential

[arnie_uk]

To run as in literally run or run as in be in because I'd definitely keep him in due to the receiving potential

either or. If its a passing play your limited because he can't block and I'd probably pick Sproles over him as a receiver. McCoy and forte are good receiving backs as well that can run it better. Not sure of their blocking abilities compared to rays though.

[beanfigger]

mjd and the likes were good back then as well. So for every name you remove like mccoy, you could almost put one back on like mjd

MJD was better back than. I just don't think "and the likes" includes 9 more backs that were better that year. Not even close, in my opinion. Rice was great that season.

[arnie_uk]

MJD was better back than. I just don't think "and the likes" includes 9 more backs that were better that year. Not even close, in my opinion. Rice was great that season.

again 1 season doesnt make a career

[ravensnick]

again 1 season doesnt make a career

Rice was great (top 5 RB) for about 4 seasons. Top 2 (after AP) for maybe even 3.

[beanfigger]

again 1 season doesnt make a career

Please go back and read my post, which I mostly agreed with you. I was specifically talking about that one season all along. If you want to argue about that one season, I'm game, but if you want to argue about something I wasn't even talking about, find someone else.

[arnie_uk]

Please go back and read my post, which I mostly agreed with you. I was specifically talking about that one season all along. If you want to argue about that one season, I'm game, but if you want to argue about something I wasn't even talking about, find someone else.

im discussing the topic. Rice as a top player deserving of a list. Im not sure he was a top player at his position of his time let alone top 10 of all time for small players.

AAd for the record u replied to me, taking about rices career so don't get cute

[arnie_uk]

Rice was great (top 5 RB) for about 4 seasons. Top 2 (after AP) for maybe even 3.

really? Some people just can't criticse anyone that wears purple

[ravensnick]

really? Some people just can't criticse anyone that wears purple

Look and compare the stats. He had two seasons with 1,300+ yds and 76+ receptions, 700+ receiving yds (2009 and 2011). He lead the league in yards from scrimmage in 2011 (as well as second behind MJD in total rushing yards). He was for sure top 5 from 2009-2012. This is one small blimp on his career. For all everyone has talked about Jamaal Charles, to this point, Ray has had better stats in almost every category (they were drafted the same year).

[arnie_uk]

Look and compare the stats. He had two seasons with 1,300+ yds and 76+ receptions. He was for sure top 5 from 2009-2012.

I'll stick to what ive seen. Since he's been in the league theres at least 8 id name before him for my team

[beanfigger]

im discussing the topic. Rice as a top player deserving of a list. Im not sure he was a top player at his position of his time let alone top 10 of all time for small players.

AAd for the record u replied to me, taking about rices career so don't get cute

Not getting cute. I replied, and I agreed with you. I added a note that he was certainly near the top for one season. That wasn't an argument. Your reply to that was. I constantly find that people just want to argue just because without even reading someone's post, even when that person is really agreeing with them.

As for the topic, being the best back of his time and being one of the best short players are two completely different lists.

[arnie_uk]

Not getting cute. I replied, and I agreed with you. I added a note that he was certainly near the top for one season. That wasn't an argument. Your reply to that was. I constantly find that people just want to argue just because without even reading someone's post, even when that person is really agreeing with them.

As for the topic, being the best back of his time and being one of the best short players are two completely different lists.

not sure where I started an argument with u but anyway.

And yes id does considering many running backs are small. Mjd sproles etc to name just two on that list. If hes not a top running back with a lot of them being small in this era, how can he be on an all time small all position list.

Steve smith is someone the argument could be made for, not rice imo

[ravensnick]

I'll stick to what ive seen. Since he's been in the league theres at least 8 id name before him for my team

Before last year, how many? I'd take Peterson. That's it. Now obviously, there is a good list. I don't think people understand how good Ray was 2009-2012. He put up stats that very few backs could match with both rushing and receiving. And even more important, we constant went and won in the playoffs.

[beanfigger]

not sure where I started an argument with u but anyway.

And yes id does considering many running backs are small. Mjd sproles etc to name just two on that list. If hes not a top running back with a lot of them being small in this era, how can he be on an all time small all position list.

Steve smith is someone the argument could be made for, not rice imo

I already told you where you started it, but that's not important.

I still think it's a different list. Being top ten current RBs where some are small and being top ten small guys is different. You named two from his time below that height. Personally, I'm okay with MJD ahead of him, but I'd put him above Sproles. If they updated these lists, I'd bet he would be ahead of Sproles. If he's not in your opinion, that's fine. But even including both of those two, if you rank 8 other guys who aren't that small ahead of him, that has nothing to do with ranking the small guys. It's a different debate altogether.

[arnie_uk]

Before last year, how many? I'd take Peterson. That's it. Now obviously, there is a good list. I don't think people understand how good Ray was 2009-2012. He put up stats that very few backs could match with both rushing and receiving. And even more important, we constant went and won in the playoffs.

mjd forte lynch mccoy peterson foster charles. I always liked jackson as well but not sure I could put him above ray. Then when yiu seen players like cj get 2k yards who has nothing other than speed, and the likes of martin and morris rookies dominate immediately I soured on rice more because I alwayd felt he had to be given space rather than could break tackles or whatever to make his own.

Even in his best career year he only averaged 2.5 yards after contact. 32 out of all runners that year. I always felt he needed greater help from the scheme and his oline than all those I mentioned above.

He also gets stopped for less than 2 yards more than I like. Id rather someone that consistently hit 3 4 yard runs

[arnie_uk]

I think in his best year (2011) he was probably top ten. I am not sure about any other year, but it would be hard to think of 10 runners that particular season who were better. CJ started his nose dive then, McCoy hadn't really emerged, yet, etc.

  

mjd and the likes were good back then as well. So for every name you remove like mccoy, you could almost put one back on like mjd

  

I already told you where you started it, but that's not important.

I still think it's a different list. Being top ten current RBs where some are small and being top ten small guys is different. You named two from his time below that height. Personally, I'm okay with MJD ahead of him, but I'd put him above Sproles. If they updated these lists, I'd bet he would be ahead of Sproles. If he's not in your opinion, that's fine. But even including both of those two, if you rank 8 other guys who aren't that small ahead of him, that has nothing to do with ranking the small guys. It's a different debate altogether.

tell me how my reply was arguing. You mentioned McCoy that hadn't really emerged then, I merely reminded you that people like MJD that were great then have dropped of since. So for every McCoy that's emerged, there's someone that's aged an dropped off.

That's not arguing just to argue as you put it. This right here, is arguing, because I'm proving my point up until now I didn't argue.

[ravensnick]

mjd forte lynch mccoy peterson foster charles. I always liked jackson as well but not sure I could put him above ray. Then when yiu seen players like cj get 2k yards who has nothing other than speed, and the likes of martin and morris rookies dominate immediately I soured on rice more because I alwayd felt he had to be given space rather than could break tackles or whatever to make his own.

Even in his best career year he only averaged 2.5 yards after contact. 32 out of all runners that year. I always felt he needed greater help from the scheme and his oline than all those I mentioned above.

He also gets stopped for less than 2 yards more than I like. Id rather someone that consistently hit 3 4 yard runs

You look into to much on the running style. Rice is small and quick. He isn't going to be the physical backs that bigger guys can be. He did kill on receiving because of his speed, and very few backs can do that on Rice's level.  I may take foster and peterson, but remember 09-11, Charles wasn't as good as rice yet (mostly due to an ACL tear in 2011. He didn't truly surpass Rice until 2012. 09-11, Rice was also better than Forte (who had only rushed for over 1,00 yds twice out of 4 years), Lynch had hit the deadpoint of his career(in Buffalo, when he was truly terrible and doing nothing), MJD didn't have the receiving game (a better pure rusher however), and McCoy was drafted in 09 so he didn't complete hit his stride then. Rice 09-11 was at worst the third best back in the NFL, but I'll say he was the second best. AP obviously was the clear cut best and then it was a battle between Rice and Foster.

[arnie_uk]

You look into to much on the running style. Rice is small and quick. He isn't going to be the physical backs that bigger guys can be. He did kill on receiving because of his speed, and very few backs can do that on Rice's level.  I may take foster and peterson, but remember 09-11, Charles wasn't as good as rice yet (mostly due to an ACL tear in 2011. He didn't truly surpass Rice until 2012. 09-11, Rice was also better than Forte (who had only rushed for over 1,00 yds twice out of 4 years), Lynch had hit the deadpoint of his career(in Buffalo, when he was truly terrible and doing nothing), MJD didn't have the receiving game (a better pure rusher however), and McCoy was drafted in 09 so he didn't complete hit his stride then. Rice 09-11 was at worst the third best back in the NFL, but I'll say he was the second best. AP obviously was the clear cut best and then it was a battle between Rice and Foster.

im not arguing his pass catching ability, he was great at that but, on any given running situation, I'd rarely, in fact probably never pick rice.

As an aside, do we all realise we are arguing about a rice, before he got his deal, would you agree we made a mistake giving him all that money?

[ravensnick]

im not arguing his pass catching ability, he was great at that but, on any given running situation, I'd rarely, in fact probably never pick rice.

As an aside, do we all realise we are arguing about a rice, before he got his deal, would you agree we made a mistake giving him all that money?

Back then it looked ok, he wasn't that old, but know I think he gets cut after this season. Guarantee to get cut if Pierce and Taliaferro play lights out. Bad deal.