The Flacco's Next Record To Break

[flynismo]

I'd say Joe is top 7.

I'd say that's fair. A ranking anywhere as high as 5 or as low as 10 is reasonable to me. Any higher or lower, and you're making a leap of faith...other than Rodgers, those other guys have been in the league twice as long and have HOF resumes.

[ellicottraven]

I'd say that's fair. A ranking anywhere as high as 5 or as low as 10 is reasonable to me. Any higher or lower, and you're making a leap of faith...other than Rodgers, those other guys have been in the league twice as long and have HOF resumes.

Rank the QBs that you think are top 15 when you have a moment. Just curious.

[flynismo]

Rank the QBs that you think are top 15 when you have a moment. Just curious.

 

When we do these rankings, I'm assuming it is judged primarily by talent, with career accomplishments being a tie-breaker, or secondary factor. My top 15, in order:

 

1. Peyton

2. Rodgers

3. Brady

4. Brees

5. Flacco

6. Ryan

7. Roethlisberger (career accomplishments get him the nod over the remaining guys)

8. Romo (see above)

9. Luck (too soon to put him above 7 and 8 above)

10. RG 3

11. Cam Newton

12. Rivers

13. Wilson

14. Kaepernick

15. Stafford

 

* Disclaimers *

Yes, I know Eli isn't on the list; it isn't an oversight.

I also have a rule about ranking guys with less than three or less years experience too high. Simply not enough data available to know how they consistently perform in various circumstances, etc. Otherwise, I'd put Luck at #6

[Tank 92]

When we do these rankings, I'm assuming it is judged primarily by talent, with career accomplishments being a tie-breaker, or secondary factor. My top 15, in order:

 

1. Peyton

2. Rodgers

3. Brady

4. Brees

5. Flacco

6. Ryan

7. Roethlisberger (career accomplishments get him the nod over the remaining guys)

8. Romo (see above)

9. Luck (too soon to put him above 7 and 8 above)

10. RG 3

11. Cam Newton

12. Rivers

13. Wilson

14. Kaepernick

15. Stafford

 

* Disclaimers *

Yes, I know Eli isn't on the list; it isn't an oversight.

I also have a rule about ranking guys with less than three or less years experience too high. Simply not enough data available to know how they consistently perform in various circumstances, etc. Otherwise, I'd put Luck at #6

 

 

Pretty fair assessment, but how do you rank Bob III above Wilson? (I actually think the skins are missing the boat and Cousins is a much better QB).

[flynismo]

Pretty fair assessment, but how do you rank Bob III above Wilson? (I actually think the skins are missing the boat and Cousins is a much better QB).

Two reasons:

1. I view Wilson as being a bit overrated. He is a "system QB"; great fit for that offense, but not a guy who can make all the throws.

2. I just think Bob does everything Wilson does, but better (for the most part)

[Gordo52]

I would put Rivers at 8 in front of Romo, but that's pretty much it.

[PurpleCityLights]

I want to see him break most passes completed without an interception streak.

I want him to spot over/under throwing his WRers....

[flynismo]

Three years from now, I see the top 5 consisting of Rodgers, Flacco, Luck, Ryan and Kaepernick. Exact order remains to be seen

[1/28/01]

Three years from now, I see the top 5 consisting of Rodgers, Flacco, Luck, Ryan and Kaepernick. Exact order remains to be seen

I would love, LOVE if its in the order you happen to put it in

[SecretAgentMan]

When we do these rankings, I'm assuming it is judged primarily by talent, with career accomplishments being a tie-breaker, or secondary factor. My top 15, in order:

1. Peyton

2. Rodgers

3. Brady

4. Brees

5. Flacco

6. Ryan

7. Roethlisberger (career accomplishments get him the nod over the remaining guys)

8. Romo (see above)

9. Luck (too soon to put him above 7 and 8 above)

10. RG 3

11. Cam Newton

12. Rivers

13. Wilson

14. Kaepernick

15. Stafford

* Disclaimers *

Yes, I know Eli isn't on the list; it isn't an oversight.

I also have a rule about ranking guys with less than three or less years experience too high. Simply not enough data available to know how they consistently perform in various circumstances, etc. Otherwise, I'd put Luck at #6

Switch Flacco and Rothlisberger, and put Eli at 13 and that's my list.

[flynismo]

I would love, LOVE if its in the order you happen to put it in

Well, year seven is typically when QBs start putting it all together...about seven months from now, we'll know who the real Flacco is. Either the guy we saw the second half of 2012....or the first half..and finally one way or the other the Flacco debate will die off.

And btw, it really was a coincidence I put him second lol

[flynismo]

Switch Flacco and Rothlisberger, and put Eli at 13 and that's my list.

No Russell in the top 15? That's not very trendy lol

[hawkprey]

Well, year seven is typically when QBs start putting it all together...about seven months from now, we'll know who the real Flacco is. Either the guy we saw the second half of 2012....or the first half..and finally one way or the other the Flacco debate will die off.

And btw, it really was a coincidence I put him second lol

I'm pretty sure you've been saying that the last few years.

 

There's no "one year" where it all comes together. Joe's always had it, never lost it. The on-field product has everything to do with the guys around him because you can't throw and catch it yourself.

 

What changed in late 2012? The coordinator? Meh, it was the same system. Osemele moving to LT to provide greater protection and better use of Boldin/play action. Not Flacco.

What changed in 2013? The horrible run scheme, the lack of Osemele, Birk, Pitta and Boldin and the injuries to Rice, Yanda and Pierce combined with questionable playcalling. Not Flacco.

[usmccharles]

Actually, I understood the Flynn thing, but it was a terrible example.

Flacco gets a lot of flak (see what I did?) for being inconsistent, but in a vacuum where everyone is put in the best possible situation for them, well, it's why I'm such a Flacco homer He is a phenomenal talent, and we have done more than our share of holding him back from achieving personal accomplishments. Not that we should care about that, but the general perception of him would be much different if he were in a different system. But maybe Kubiak will change that....I just hope better stat lines for our QB doesn't come at the expense of winning games

i agree, i think we didnt do anything to help him progress. 

 

We would all like to see less fumbles and other mistakes. Told you, we do agree on something. I still think Flacco is the best QB in the league. It brings peoples blood to a boil every time I say it.

I cant imagine peoples reaction, especially a patriots or steelers fan.

[Bruce_Almty]

flynismo, on 04 Jun 2014 - 12:20 PM, said:

When we do these rankings, I'm assuming it is judged primarily by talent, with career accomplishments being a tie-breaker, or secondary factor.

 

 

I'm not a Flacco hater (I mean, he is MY QB) but I can't find any data of a consistent nature that says Joe is anything but an Average Joe. Any metric, QBR, passer rating, yds, tds, comp%, all are middle of the pack. He plays on a good team and good teams win. I'm glad we have him but he's a 16 in my book...middle of the pack. imo 

[Inqui]

I'm not a Flacco hater (I mean, he is MY QB) but I can't find any data of a consistent nature that says Joe is anything but an Average Joe. Any metric, QBR, passer rating, yds, tds, comp%, all are middle of the pack. He plays on a good team and good teams win. I'm glad we have him but he's a 16 in my book...middle of the pack. imo 

I'm pretty dubious of QB stats, and I'd have him higher than 16, but for the most part I agree. He comes up short in a fair few ways (consistency probably the most frustrating of them) and there's no way he's the best in the league. I tell a Patriots fan I know that he's the best, but only to get a reaction.

 

Although don't underestimate the games won figure. He finds ways to win, while a certain other QB in the AFCN finds ways to lose.

[Bruce_Almty]

Inqui, on 06 Jun 2014 - 6:16 PM, said:

I'm pretty dubious of QB stats, and I'd have him higher than 16, but for the most part I agree. He comes up short in a fair few ways (consistency probably the most frustrating of them) and there's no way he's the best in the league. I tell a Patriots fan I know that he's the best, but only to get a reaction.

 

Although don't underestimate the games won figure. He finds ways to win, while a certain other QB in the AFCN finds ways to lose.

UR right and I try to view as much data as I can find and Joe can almost always be found in the 20~12 range. I like to call him better than average, which I think he is, and from a Raven standpoint or any team for that matter, a better than average QB is a franchise QB and that's what Joe is to the Ravens. He's our franchise QB and will be for the next many years.

Thanks for the reply.

[Static]

Most SuperBowl wins by an NFL QB. His next record.

[Inqui]

UR right and I try to view as much data as I can find and Joe can almost always be found in the 20~12 range. I like to call him better than average, which I think he is, and from a Raven standpoint or any team for that matter, a better than average QB is a franchise QB and that's what Joe is to the Ravens. He's our franchise QB and will be for the next many years.

Thanks for the reply.

A good commentary I saw had Peyton and Rodgers as the two very best - they can go into any team and make it better. Brady's in some hybrid tier between the first two, but the more I read of him the more I'm inclined to put him with the next group of QBs.

 

In the next tier down you have a whole raft of guys - Flacco, Ryan, Romo, E Manning, Cutler, Rivers, Brees and Roethlisberger, while Tannehill, Foles, Kap, Wilson, RG3-13 and Newton can join that group in time - that have the potential to be "elite" or what have you but just need the right scheme and guys around them. Some guys have just found their scheme fits and look a whole lot better as a result (Brees is a classic example imo). Ranking QBs in that group will always be pretty subjective. All have their distinct strengths and weaknesses and I'd say all are above average or easily can be in any given year.

 

Below those tiers, well, here be dragons I suppose (might even find the career of Colt McCoy somewhere).

 

Rating QBs is complex business. At least most of us can agree Joe's our guy and more than capable of winning a Lombardi.

[Willbacker]

When we do these rankings, I'm assuming it is judged primarily by talent, with career accomplishments being a tie-breaker, or secondary factor. My top 15, in order:

 

1. Peyton

2. Rodgers

3. Brady

4. Brees

5. Flacco

6. Ryan

7. Roethlisberger (career accomplishments get him the nod over the remaining guys)

8. Romo (see above)

9. Luck (too soon to put him above 7 and 8 above)

10. RG 3

11. Cam Newton

12. Rivers

13. Wilson

14. Kaepernick

15. Stafford

 

* Disclaimers *

Yes, I know Eli isn't on the list; it isn't an oversight.

I also have a rule about ranking guys with less than three or less years experience too high. Simply not enough data available to know how they consistently perform in various circumstances, etc. Otherwise, I'd put Luck at #6

An important trait that you're overlooking is clutch and leadership qualities. Hence Ryan( I am biased and I hate this guy) and Romo are rated too high imo and wouldn't even be in my Top 10. Poor playoff records. I'd take RG3 out and put Alex Smith somewhere in the 13-15 range. Roethlisberger must be put ahead of Flacco as much as it pains for me to say it and let Joe settle in at #6 even with the bad year. Nick Foles should also strongly be considered but now that there is more game footage on him and Chip Kellys offense give him another prove it year. All just opinions tho. 

[Tank 92]

Rank him wherever you like, but with two minutes left and a score is needed, give me The Flacco over anyone.

[usmccharles]

When we do these rankings, I'm assuming it is judged primarily by talent, with career accomplishments being a tie-breaker, or secondary factor. My top 15, in order:

 

1. Peyton

2. Rodgers

3. Brady

4. Brees

5.  Roethlisberger (career accomplishments get him the nod over the remaining guys)

6. Joe

7.  Romo

8. Luck

9. Ryan

10. RG 3

11. Cam Newton

12. Rivers

13. Wilson

14. Kaepernick

15. Stafford

 

* Disclaimers *

Yes, I know Eli isn't on the list; it isn't an oversight.

I also have a rule about ranking guys with less than three or less years experience too high. Simply not enough data available to know how they consistently perform in various circumstances, etc. Otherwise, I'd put Luck at #6

i like this list honestly.  i would have to put Big Ben in front of Joe as much as i hate to admit it. I made some changes in bold, i was bored....

[Gordo52]

My top 15:

1. Peyton

2. Rodgers

3. Brees

4. Brady

5. Roethlisburger (like what fly said)

6. Flacco

7. Rivers

8. Luck

9. Ryan

10. Kaepernick

11. Romo

12. Newton

13. RG3

14. Eli

15. Wilson

Haven't done one of those in a while. After 4 it could go either way up to #10 IMO. Career accolades give Joe the edge over everyone below him. I also think any QB above Wilson could've won the Super Bowl last year on Seattle. (Even Tony Romo) (maybe) (ok, probably not).

[Bruce_Almty]

Overrated: QB Joe Flacco

Quarterback Joe Flacco helped deliver a Super Bowl to the Baltimore Ravens a couple of short seasons ago. Doing so earned the former Delaware star a fat contract that will pay him more than $14 million in 2014 (including bonuses). 

This seems like a pretty steep price for a quarterback who tossed more interceptions (22) than touchdowns (19) in 2013 and who was ranked 37th overall among quarterbacks by Pro Football Focus.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2089175-the-most-overrated-and-underrated-player-on-every-nfl-roster/page/6

 

In the same article, JTuck is rated the most Underrated team player having kicked 70 of 76 FGs. We love you JT.

Oh well

Go Joe.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Since everyone is doing list...

 

 

     1.Rodgers

     2.Brady

     3.Manning

     4.Brees

     5.Rivers

     6.Flacco

     7.Roethlisberger

     8.Romo

     9.Eli

   10.Ryan

   11.Luck

 

 

Say what you guys want,but when I'm honest with myself and ask myself if I would rather have Flacco or Roethlisberger going into this season,I can't help but think I would rather have Joe.That's how I designed my list.It's in the order of the guys I would want to be the qb of the ravens going into 2014 if I was the gm and could have my pick.And there's a large drop off after Luck so I didn't bother going to 15.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Also,you guys are criminally underrating Rivers.It's insane!!

[ravensnick]

Rank him wherever you like, but with two minutes left and a score is needed, give me The Flacco over anyone.

*anyone but Big Ben or Brady

[ravensnick]

Also,you guys are criminally underrating Rivers.It's insane!!

He had a come back year, but regardless, joe is better.

[ravensnick]

My list:

1. Peyton

2. Rodgers

3. Brady

4. Brees

5. Big Ben

6. Flacco

7. Rivers

8. Luck

9. Eli

10. Romo

11. Ryan

12. Newton

13. Kaep

based on both career/age

Flacco could easily overtake Ben this year and Peyton and Brady will be gone sooner rather than later. Note: besides Luck, Joe is the youngest QB on this list (tied with Ryan).

[flynismo]

Also,you guys are criminally underrating Rivers.It's insane!!

Nope. Rivers is a rich man's Schaub (pre-2013 Schaub)