The Flacco's Next Record To Break

[edreedfromtheu]

Flacco has actually played his best games against the best teams he's faced. Historically he and the team have fallen prey to the trap games. He has played lights out against steelers defenses which have been top five units.

Also I would say this view of the NFC west being head and shoulders above the rest is coming to an end. I suspect the 49ers are due for a lackluster season with a myriad of injuries and maturity concerns. Seattle has lost done good players from their defensive front. I suspect the NFC south with a saints defense on the rise and olive building a power in Tampa will be the best in the NFC.

I also suspect with both the ravens and steelers reloading will once again be powers and the patriots solidifying themselves along with the broncos. All 4 of those powers are just as good as anything the NFC is throwing up this year. Don't act like the Seahawks are some unstoppable 90s cowboys team. They are far from that.

He's had a few very good games against the Steelers.  But he's also had some very miserable games against them.  I'd say more bad than good.  But it still is fun to think about those good games.  That season opener where the Ravens dismantled them and thus began the 7 nation army tradition..... that was special.  Oh, and then the 2nd game against them that year.  yessss, love the sweep!

[flynismo]

You might want to cover your ears/eyes.... OP.

Hilarious how almost all of those "records" you listed were TEAM achievements.

Starting games. So if the offensive line is soooooo bad, and Flacco has nooooo protection. Then how is he able to stay healthy? Is he that much more buff than every other QB in the league? He's tall... so he should have further to fall to the ground, right?

Making playoffs and winning games.... pretty much a team achievement.

And if you still think Flacco was better than Jacoby Jones in the Super Bowl, there's no point in arguing. Jacoby Jones was the obvious MVP. Just that QB bias.

But to answer your question as to what record I hope he breaks? I hope he puts up amazing numbers. I hope he at least contends for leading the league in passing yards. And I'd love to see him break the record for fewest intercetpions by a QB in a season. Has a QB ever gone a whole season without throwing an interception? I'm not going to look it up, but I sure wouldn't mind if Flacco did that.

As for you not wasnting us to bring up that it's a team sport.... YOU can "can it." BEcause you are trying to compare Flacco with Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Those guys typically DOMINATED inferior teams when they played them(at least in their prime). Peyton Manning pretty much runs the entire offense. They have a superior knowledge of the game. Let me know when you see Flacco disecting a defense instead of just making the first read that his coordinator drew up for him. Flacco is nowhere near the football-intelligence level of MAnning or BRady.

You think Flacco "doesn't have enough weapons?" Imagine switching the place of Flacco and either of those QBs... You put BRady or Manning on the Ravens current roster and they are probably Super Bowl favorites. You put Flacco on the Patriots or Broncos and they are most likely not even favorites to win their division.

And it's obvious that this is exactly the response you were hoping for by making a post pretty much saying "Flacco starts games and hasn't gotten injured... so he's obiously on Tom Brady and Peyton Manning's level!"

So anyway, do you think Flacco breaks the record for most wins in a decade? I think he falls just short.

[ravensnick]

So anyway, do you think Flacco breaks the record for most wins in a decade? I think he falls just short.

He's gonna be close.

[Malkavian Raven]

So anyway, do you think Flacco breaks the record for most wins in a decade? I think he falls just short.

 

I'll be the three-way tie and say "yes".

[52520Andrew]

So anyway, do you think Flacco breaks the record for most wins in a decade? I think he falls just short.

That should be interesting to follow

[hawkprey]

You might want to cover your ears/eyes.... OP.

Hilarious how almost all of those "records" you listed were TEAM achievements. 

Starting games.  So if the offensive line is soooooo bad, and Flacco has nooooo protection.  Then how is he able to stay healthy?  Is he that much more buff than every other QB in the league?  He's tall... so he should have further to fall to the ground, right?

Making playoffs and winning games.... pretty much a team achievement.

And if you still think Flacco was better than Jacoby Jones in the Super Bowl, there's no point in arguing.  Jacoby Jones was the obvious MVP.  Just that QB bias.

But to answer your question as to what record I hope he breaks?  I hope he puts up amazing numbers.  I hope he at least contends for leading the league in passing yards.  And I'd love to see him break the record for fewest intercetpions by a QB in a season.  Has a QB ever gone a whole season without throwing an interception?  I'm not going to look it up, but I sure wouldn't mind if Flacco did that.

As for  you not wasnting us to bring up that it's a team sport.... YOU can "can it."  BEcause you are trying to compare Flacco with Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.  Those guys typically DOMINATED inferior teams when they played them(at least in their prime).   Peyton Manning pretty much runs the entire offense.  They have a superior knowledge of the game.  Let me know when you see Flacco disecting a defense instead of just making the first read that his coordinator drew up for him.  Flacco is nowhere near the football-intelligence level of MAnning or BRady. 

You think Flacco "doesn't have enough weapons?"  Imagine switching the place of Flacco and either of those QBs...  You put BRady or Manning on the Ravens current roster and they are probably Super Bowl favorites.  You put Flacco on the Patriots or Broncos and they are most likely not even favorites to win their division.

And it's obvious that this is exactly the response you were hoping for by making a post pretty much saying "Flacco starts games and hasn't gotten injured... so he's obiously on Tom Brady and Peyton Manning's level!"

 

Did you seriously just say we've had a good O-line because tall players should be hurt more often?

 

Also one thing - no one's saying wins aren't a team effort. But most people know that better QBs win more games, and this isn't necessarily true with any other one position. If you don't like it, come up with your own stat that reflects only QB ability (hint: passer rating does not). Seriously.  I just don't understand your side of this argument at all. 

[redrum52]

Did you seriously just say we've had a good O-line because tall players should be hurt more often?

Also one thing - no one's saying wins aren't a team effort. But most people know that better QBs win more games, and this isn't necessarily true with any other one position. If you don't like it, come up with your own stat that reflects only QB ability (hint: passer rating does not). Seriously. I just don't understand your side of this argument at all.

How can you say passer rating doesn't apply? Name good qbs who don't have a good passer rating.. during Joes SB run do you think there is a coincidence between his rating and the fact we were able to pull out wins? People love to bring out stats. I'd love to know the worst qb rating with a ring and their average during the SB run.

[Inqui]

How can you say passer rating doesn't apply? Name good qbs who don't have a good passer rating.. during Joes SB run do you think there is a coincidence between his rating and the fact we were able to pull out wins? People love to bring out stats. I'd love to know the worst qb rating with a ring and their average during the SB run.

The passer rating is generally an arbitrary collection of stats that favour short-ranged, high-percentage guys (which Joe isn't). Iirc it was Nick Foles who looked like a HoF QB last season because of the passer rating or the QBR, when he just threw a lot of high-percentage passes and slowly built up the yardage.

 

It's not that guys like Brady, Manning, Brees, Foles et all are bad QBs, but if you're being consistent it does bring up a similar issue to standardised education (a good quote I saw was that if you tell a fish, a monkey and a dog to climb a tree you'll have one thing feeling like a genius and the other two feeling useless. Same idea with teaching kids or rating QBs - everyone's different).

[flynismo]

How can you say passer rating doesn't apply? Name good qbs who don't have a good passer rating.. during Joes SB run do you think there is a coincidence between his rating and the fact we were able to pull out wins? People love to bring out stats. I'd love to know the worst qb rating with a ring and their average during the SB run.

Passer rating is a very flawed stat, much like completion percentage is nearly meaningless. The fact that Joe put up such high passer ratings is ridiculous when you consider the offense we ran (run the ball or chuck it downfield)

[flynismo]

He's gonna be close.

If we played in a weak division like Manning and Brady did, I'd say yes. I just think the other teams are too tough to let that happen

[redrum52]

Passer rating is a very flawed stat, much like completion percentage is nearly meaningless. The fact that Joe put up such high passer ratings is ridiculous when you consider the offense we ran (run the ball or chuck it downfield)

During the run we saw the offense we had all been waiting for. Intermediate, short and deep throws all being used to set up thr next play. Though I had wanted Cam gone since 10, its also on Joe. We have all seen when guys are running open and he sits there and takes a sack. That's on him. If people read my posts here they probably think I'm a Flacco hater, but the truth is, I'm constantly campaigning for this man with my friends. My point is, during his best seasons his rating has been at his best. Though I think they are somewhat skewed, the numbers do mean something. There is a correlation. I think we can all agree that most of his bad games aren't results of drops, but more because of his own play.

[The Mom Gene]

During the run we saw the offense we had all been waiting for. Intermediate, short and deep throws all being used to set up thr next play. Though I had wanted Cam gone since 10, its also on Joe. We have all seen when guys are running open and he sits there and takes a sack. That's on him. If people read my posts here they probably think I'm a Flacco hater, but the truth is, I'm constantly campaigning for this man with my friends. My point is, during his best seasons his rating has been at his best. Though I think they are somewhat skewed, the numbers do mean something. There is a correlation. I think we can all agree that most of his bad games aren't results of drops, but more because of his own play.

I have never been a Flacco Lover... He's a great QB, but not the best in the league... but that being said, I can't lay last season in his lap completely either.  Our O-Line sucked.  When he did have time, he connected.  Progression of play takes time, and he didn't have very much of that at all.  And considering ALL of his best targets were out, gone, or hurt... and Torrey was double-covered all season, I would have to say that very little of it was on him.  Once we got Pitta back, got Jacoby back, and had a few diversionary targets???    But still those plays have to develop.

[redrum52]

I have never been a Flacco Lover... He's a great QB, but not the best in the league... but that being said, I can't lay last season in his lap completely either. Our O-Line sucked. When he did have time, he connected. Progression of play takes time, and he didn't have very much of that at all. And considering ALL of his best targets were out, gone, or hurt... and Torrey was double-covered all season, I would have to say that very little of it was on him. Once we got Pitta back, got Jacoby back, and had a few diversionary targets??? But still those plays have to develop.

I dont fully blame him for last season but he did also play a role. The o line and run game were oscar the grouch trash. My problem was the turnovers.

[The Mom Gene]

I dont fully blame him for last season but he did also play a role. The o line and run game were oscar the grouch trash. My problem was the turnovers.

That was my problem....  my brain tells me though, that SOME of them were due to the fact that he was "trying" to make a play.....  trying to avoid a sack and get the play off.... even in coverage.....  and it backfired.

[beanfigger]

How can you say passer rating doesn't apply? Name good qbs who don't have a good passer rating.. during Joes SB run do you think there is a coincidence between his rating and the fact we were able to pull out wins? People love to bring out stats. I'd love to know the worst qb rating with a ring and their average during the SB run.

The worst passer rating for a winning QB was Big Ben in his first Superbowl. I think it was low teens or something.

[usmccharles]

I have never been a Flacco Lover... He's a great QB, but not the best in the league... but that being said, I can't lay last season in his lap completely either.  Our O-Line sucked.  When he did have time, he connected.  Progression of play takes time, and he didn't have very much of that at all.  And considering ALL of his best targets were out, gone, or hurt... and Torrey was double-covered all season, I would have to say that very little of it was on him.  Once we got Pitta back, got Jacoby back, and had a few diversionary targets???    But still those plays have to develop.

i dont think anyone would say he is the best in the league, not even me and im a flacco lover.  I loved what he said a couple seasons ago though, about being the best, because you do have to think that.  No one is going to say he is the best in the league, but every team cant have a tom brady, rodgers, peyton, etc....Joe i think is a top ten qb and thats basically where he always will be, i dont think he will ever be a top 5.  I think Joe is a better Romo, Romo may have more yards and tds every year, but Joe shows up when it matters and thats all i care about honestly. 

 

sidenote, one of the most frustrating things ever was after we won the SB, gave joe the big contract, so everyone is clearly waiting to see him perform.  We trade his number one guy away then pitta goes down, such terrible timing.   Im still ok with the contract and miss boldin.  but have to move on

[redrum52]

The worst passer rating for a winning QB was Big Ben in his first Superbowl. I think it was low teens or something.

How the hell did I forget that. See, it took a great defense and help from the refs for that to happen. Now that I think about it, didn't Peyton have a pretty bad SB run as well when he made it? My point is, the stat usually reflects good play. You can't just fully take it out of play.

[BSHU_Miami]

That was my problem.... my brain tells me though, that SOME of them were due to the fact that he was "trying" to make a play..... trying to avoid a sack and get the play off.... even in coverage..... and it backfired.

he was definitely trying to force plays a lot more last year, and with the timing off within the entire offense it just was a disaster

[berad]

How the hell did I forget that. See, it took a great defense and help from the refs for that to happen. Now that I think about it, didn't Peyton have a pretty bad SB run as well when he made it? My point is, the stat usually reflects good play. You can't just fully take it out of play.

 

You might be right about that, Peytrain had a pretty crappy SB run. 6.1 yds/attempt, 3 TDs,  INTs, 67.8 QBR overall.

[PolishRifle]

he was definitely trying to force plays a lot more last year, and with the timing off within the entire offense it just was a disaster

 

Hopefully KO is fully healed and Zuttah fits our OL, because last years Oline was horrendous. Wagner better be good, too. 

[flynismo]

Hopefully KO is fully healed and Zuttah fits our OL, because last years Oline was horrendous. Wagner better be good, too.

Even if Wagner is just an average starter it will be a nice upgrade from Oher

[davy_861]

i dont think anyone would say he is the best in the league, not even me and im a flacco lover.  I loved what he said a couple seasons ago though, about being the best, because you do have to think that.  No one is going to say he is the best in the league, but every team cant have a tom brady, rodgers, peyton, etc....Joe i think is a top ten qb and thats basically where he always will be, i dont think he will ever be a top 5.  I think Joe is a better Romo, Romo may have more yards and tds every year, but Joe shows up when it matters and thats all i care about honestly. 

 

sidenote, one of the most frustrating things ever was after we won the SB, gave joe the big contract, so everyone is clearly waiting to see him perform.  We trade his number one guy away then pitta goes down, such terrible timing.   Im still ok with the contract and miss boldin.  but have to move on

I think Flacco is the best QB in the league. He's never had a Marvin Harrison or Reggie Wayne. Brady had the luxury of learning from Bledsoe and Belichick and they won super bowls with the compliment of a solid run game along with sure handed receivers. Aside from "knowledge" Flacco is bigger, stronger and faster than the both of them. Don't forget about the Patriots D when they won Super Bowls, Brady did make mistakes but the defense scrubbed them. Flacco outright outplayed both of them two years ago on the road. That would make him better in my book, despite stats.

[ravensnick]

If we played in a weak division like Manning and Brady did, I'd say yes. I just think the other teams are too tough to let that happen

We should be good because the browns are browns, the bengals are going to need a new QB soon and so are the steelers

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Even if Wagner is just an average starter it will be a nice upgrade from Oher

 

 

That's a hyperbole,right?

[PolishRifle]

Even if Wagner is just an average starter it will be a nice upgrade from Oher

 

That's a bit much. Oher was a solid player, albeit an error prone player. Being average won't cut it.

[hawkprey]

During the run we saw the offense we had all been waiting for. Intermediate, short and deep throws all being used to set up thr next play. Though I had wanted Cam gone since 10, its also on Joe. We have all seen when guys are running open and he sits there and takes a sack. That's on him. If people read my posts here they probably think I'm a Flacco hater, but the truth is, I'm constantly campaigning for this man with my friends. My point is, during his best seasons his rating has been at his best. Though I think they are somewhat skewed, the numbers do mean something. There is a correlation. I think we can all agree that most of his bad games aren't results of drops, but more because of his own play.

The problem is by "his best seasons" you're thinking "the seasons where he put up the most yards/TDs" and so on. This was Joe's worst season statistically but he was probably at his best as a player, maybe equal to last year. He was just put in such an awful position that it brought out all the bad throws and decisions. I mean, combine an awful O-line, awful run game, lack of anything at tight end or runningback, receivers who can't win 1-on-1, play-calling that the defenses got a beat on, and a scheme that was too complicated for the players to understand and there you have it.

[Gordo52]

Oher has to be considered either average,slightly below average or below average. Can you call him a top 15 RT last season? I don't think so.

I'm not expecting that from Wagner his first year starting but that would be a lovely surprise.

[hawkprey]

Oher has to be considered either average,slightly below average or below average. Can you call him a top 15 RT last season? I don't think so.

I'm not expecting that from Wagner his first year starting but that would be a lovely surprise.

Considering he might not start this year, I'd put him out of the top 30.

[Tank 92]

We should be good because the browns are browns, the bengals are going to need a new QB soon and so are the steelers

 

 

I wouldn't just blow off the brownies.  They have always played us tough and are much better now than they have been for years. The squealers are never going to be easy and the bungles, well honestly, are more talented on average at every position other than QB. The Good Guys will always have their hands full within the division.

 

That said, if things pan out as they should, The Flacco will shine in 2014. 

[ravensnick]

I wouldn't just blow off the brownies.  They have always played us tough and are much better now than they have been for years. The squealers are never going to be easy and the bungles, well honestly, are more talented on average at every position other than QB. The Good Guys will always have their hands full within the division.

 

That said, if things pan out as they should, The Flacco will shine in 2014. 

Ben is gone sooner than later and then ends the steelers glory days. Bengals should be winning in the playoffs, but Dalton is worse than Romo. Browns have Manziel (who will get hurt but he can star) and Hoyer.