The Flacco's Next Record To Break

[gabefergy]

I wasnt blaming joe there although on second reading I see how that came across. Lee evans for one, boldin dropping that td pass against pitts was another

and Housh

[Inqui]

I wasnt blaming joe there although on second reading I see how that came across. Lee evans for one, boldin dropping that td pass against pitts was another

How did that get past the swear filter?

[BmoreBird22]

We didn't add Monroe until October. The line was crap prior to that so him learning a new system yada yada yada had nothing to do with it.  Say what you want - McKinnie was motivated in that post season run and the same line minus Birk - as I said - went from servicable to basement in one off season.

 

KO's back was from the get go? That's odd because it wasn't mentioned anywhere, even on the injury report, until end of October - November 1st.  The line sucked from day one.

 

I know you like Castillo - it's all good - but the fact is we began the season with essentially the same OL minus Birk, one OL coach the same and Castillo, the new cog. I really find it difficult to believe that Gino made the line crap for those 6 weeks all by his lonesome.

 

Now as for the two many cooks argument, I made that argument during the season as well. However, Harbaugh came out and said it wasn't so, that Castillo was in charge the entire time, just wasn't given the title. Who knows?

 

Back on topic of why we're even talking about the OL:

 

The O line, the O line, the O line. We go nowhere without at least an average performance there. Flacco won't have a chance at that record unless they improve drastically, not just marginally.

Motivated during the postseason and motivated during the regular season after getting a ring are two different things. He'd never had a ring before (not even sure he made the playoffs that often), so being a veteran, that's a big step in the right direction. Once he got that ring, made his money, what did he have to work for? I mean, like I said, he missed camp and showed up overweight. Do you need more evidence that he didn't care?

 

Kelechi had a herniated disc in his back. That's not just a problem that happens overnight (no pun intended), but something that gradually happens. Obviously it had been going on for some time. He admitted to playing with it throughout the regular season and said he had hoped to just have surgery in the offseason. A herniated disc in a lineman would be like a hampered hamstring for a receiver. Sure, you might play through it and tough it out, but you're sure as hell not near 100%.

 

I'm indifferent toward Castillo, but he's getting unfair criticism and has been for a while, including from people like me.

 

No, it was not just Gino for those six weeks, but I don't think you fully grasp the importance of the line calls and making those calls to set everyone up together. Again, having a hurt Kelechi and a hurt Yanda certainly didn't help him, but lacking the knowledge to play the position is a major factor. It's why you won't see many rookie centers start. Sure, some drafted in the first do, but a lot of the times, you'll see them sit or play a position like guard first, like Mike Pouncey. It's not an easy position to learn. Love or hate PFF, Gino was the lowest rated offensive player that they had. 

 

By the way, I brought up Monroe because the offensive line was still pretty bad after he got here, so and it certainly wasn't helped by AQ Shipley. 

 

I didn't say they would be marginally improved, I said improved by a vast margin, which is a lot. Getting Monroe for a full offseason, getting Kelechi back healthy, getting Zuttah (finally in the right scheme), and having a healthy Yanda is huge. Again, right tackle may be a tad concern, but I'm confident that either Ricky will succeed (the Ravens staff actually admitted that he looked better than they thought he would) and brought in James Hurst, a guy who's probably got the best shot to start of any URFA. Still, if neither of them does it for you, maybe find a new left guard since that's easier than a right tackle and swing Kelechi out to tackle. Maybe consider Eric Winston. They have options and should be much improved.

[Gordo52]

I think he breaks Testiverde's 33 TD's and 4,177 single season, records.

I can most definitely can see him breaking the yardage record.

[Gordo52]

I'm sure he also holds the record for being the only QB in NFL History to beat Brady & Manning on the road, in the playoffs. It's a team record, but still.

He outplayed them both, which is one of the coolest and most impressive things I love about Flacco's career already.

[arnie_uk]

I notice you dont mention the terrible pick 6 he threw his rookie year, the abysmal 09 post season or the fumble and pick against the Steelers in 10. There was also a late pick he gave to Brandon Spikes in 11 and missing an open guy for a td after STs forced and recovered the ball in good field position. All that aside, im pretty sure the Packers would've ran through us in 10, but we would have beat the Giants in 11.

Also, as stupid as it might sound, I'd rather this than losing because there is something to be said about a perfect SB record with multiple appearances.

you mean his rookie year and the year that he could barely move cause of the injury?

And yea he threw the int against pitts, but there was also a fumble from birk and iirc rice had a turnover. But he drove us right back down the field in the final minutes and boldin dropped a go ahead td. Housh then dropped the wideeeeee open 4th and long easy catch to kill the game.

Yea those games

[Tank 92]

I gotta say that all of this luv for The Flacco is refreshing!

 

 

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[arnie_uk]

All I want is another superbowl. Don't care how we get there

[flynismo]

All I want is another superbowl. Don't care how we get there

Right on

[jaege]

First, a disclaimer:

 

If you are one of the anti-Flacco guys, you may want to cover your ears for this one, it isn't going to be pretty (not for you, anyway )

 

For the rest of us, we are well aware of the many NFL records The Flacco holds, not to mention many other team records. To recap (copy and pasted from baltimorebeatdown):

 

First rookie quarterback to start all sixteen games and make the playoffs.

First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games

Most starts by a quarterback in first season: 19

Most starts by a quarterback in first two seasons: 37

Most starts by a quarterback in first three seasons: 55

Most starts by a quarterback in first four seasons: 73

Most starts by a quarterback in first five seasons: 93

Most wins by a quarterback in first 80 consecutive starts: 54

Most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)

Only quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons

Most road playoff wins by a quarterback: 6

Most touchdowns in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana and Kurt Warner)

Most touchdowns without an interception in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana)

First quarterback to have a passer rating over 100 in all four games of a single postseason.

Most consecutive playoff games with three passing touchdowns: 3 (tied with Bernie Kosar, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers)

Note that after only five years Flacco already has more road playoff wins than any other QB in the history of the NFL.

 

So what's the next record to shatter for our Super Bowl 47 MVP?

 

How about this one, a little known, but crucial record -- Peyton Manning currently holds the record for the most wins in a decade (115 wins during the 2000s, Tom Brady is second with 97, and Troy Aikman is third at 94)

 

Now, a pre-emptive note for you guys who are going to whine that it's a team sport, blah blah blah. Can it, because this isn't a debate about your opinion on that matter. Besides, it's not a coincidence that three HOF QBs are on top of that list.

 

Currently, The Flacco is sitting at 42 wins in the 2010s. He is just a hair under Manning's pace, but above Brady's; at his current clip, Flacco will finish the decade with 105 wins.

 

What say you, purple brethren? Will The Flacco add another notch to his NFL record belt, or will he fall short?

 

 

That will be a tough one to win, 115. Manning fanboys are going to be POed.

[davy_861]

I notice you dont mention the terrible pick 6 he threw his rookie year, the abysmal 09 post season or the fumble and pick against the Steelers in 10. There was also a late pick he gave to Brandon Spikes in 11 and missing an open guy for a td after STs forced and recovered the ball in good field position. All that aside, im pretty sure the Packers would've ran through us in 10, but we would have beat the Giants in 11.

Also, as stupid as it might sound, I'd rather this than losing because there is something to be said about a perfect SB record with multiple appearances.

  Those were growing pains. Flacco is better than these qbs that I watched play with the ravens growing up

kyle Boller- the guy who threw 60 yards on one knee

Tony Banks

Jeff Blake

Elvis Grbac- The multimillion dollar bust

Trent Dilfer

 

At least we have expectations on offense now

[hawkprey]

I'm sure he also holds the record for being the only QB in NFL History to beat Brady & Manning on the road, in the playoffs. It's a team record, but still.

He outplayed them both, which is one of the coolest and most impressive things I love about Flacco's career already.

Tied with Mark Sanchez.

 

(That is also hardly an impressive record. To have a record about beating other QBs only implies that you're worse than them.)

[0_o]

What about the $120 Million Dollar stat? How many QB's have reached that milestone in their first 6 years?

[JoeyFlex5]

i am the biggest flacco supporter you will ever find, now that I've said that, on to the records.

i believe he will retire with the most combined wins of any qb in nfl history, i believe he will end up with most playoff wins in nfl history, and i see at least 1 more super bowl in his future, and i believe he will get another SBMVP if we are able to get back to the promise land.

he won't put up gaudy stats, but he will continue to show his grit and keep on winning games, this team quietly rides his leadership and ability to play in the clutch.

[Gordo52]

Tied with Mark Sanchez.

(That is also hardly an impressive record. To have a record about beating other QBs only implies that you're worse than them.)

Wow. Sanchez doing that certainly makes it less impressive. But we're talking two shoe-in HOF's, possibly top 5 QB's of all time. Both near the end of their careers, and heavy favorites. Taking out "the future" (Luck) in that runs makes it even cooler to me.

[BmoreBird22]

Tied with Mark Sanchez.

 

(That is also hardly an impressive record. To have a record about beating other QBs only implies that you're worse than them.)

But did Sanchez do it in the same season with 49 out of 50 states predicting him to lose in the divisional round? 

[JoeyFlex5]

I wasnt blaming joe there although on second reading I see how that came across. Lee evans for one, boldin dropping that td pass against pitts was another

so many seem to forget that boldin drop, he really was not as great as people say, he did have a tendency to drop catchable balls.

[redrum52]

But did Sanchez do it in the same season with 49 out of 50 states predicting him to lose in the divisional round?

Probably. It's Mark Sanchez.

[BmoreBird22]

Probably. It's Mark Sanchez.

I actually think he did bounce them both in the same playoffs. The year the Packers and Steelers went to the Super Bowl.

[flynismo]

i am the biggest flacco supporter you will ever find, now that I've said that, on to the records.

i believe he will retire with the most combined wins of any qb in nfl history, i believe he will end up with most playoff wins in nfl history, and i see at least 1 more super bowl in his future, and i believe he will get another SBMVP if we are able to get back to the promise land.

he won't put up gaudy stats, but he will continue to show his grit and keep on winning games, this team quietly rides his leadership and ability to play in the clutch.

He will have to play deep into his 30s to approach that career win record. and of course, put up double digit wins pretty much every year.

Let's say these predictions come true. Say he ends up in top 5 wins of all time, wins more postseason games than anyone in history (that is very likely to happen, btw), gets a second SB....That is a HOF resume.

[flynismo]

Probably. It's Mark Sanchez.

LOL

[52520Andrew]

I wasnt blaming joe there although on second reading I see how that came across. Lee evans for one, boldin dropping that td pass against pitts was another

 

But he was so reliable in the playoffs right? As long as Flacco has that guy who can catch the ball when it matters, I think we are in good shape. 

[hawkprey]

He will have to play deep into his 30s to approach that career win record. and of course, put up double digit wins pretty much every year.

Let's say these predictions come true. Say he ends up in top 5 wins of all time, wins more postseason games than anyone in history (that is very likely to happen, btw), gets a second SB....That is a HOF resume.

Even just playing a good 11-13 years total and winning at around this pace would put Flacco in the top category of wins all-time. In fact, every QB with 100+ wins is either in the Hall of Fame or is expected to be. Just glancing over the list of QB wins here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_wins_by_a_National_Football_League_starting_quarterback, it seems that all the modern era HOF/expected HOF quarterbacks have 2 of these 3 in common - 100 + wins, a career win percentage of .600 +, a Super Bowl MVP. Flacco has all 3 (sorry - on pace to have).

 

On the other hand, there doesn't seem to be much correlation between career passer rating and HOF induction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_passer_rating_leaders

[BmoreBird22]

Even just playing a good 11-13 years total and winning at around this pace would put Flacco in the top category of wins all-time. In fact, every QB with 100+ wins is either in the Hall of Fame or is expected to be. Just glancing over the list of QB wins here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_wins_by_a_National_Football_League_starting_quarterback, it seems that all the modern era HOF/expected HOF quarterbacks have 2 of these 3 in common - 100 + wins, a career win percentage of .600 +, a Super Bowl MVP. Flacco has all 3 (sorry - on pace to have).

 

On the other hand, there doesn't seem to be much correlation between career passer rating and HOF induction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_passer_rating_leaders

Yeah, Tony Romo isn't going to the HoF

[redrum52]

But he was so reliable in the playoffs right? As long as Flacco has that guy who can catch the ball when it matters, I think we are in good shape.

They got absolutely no kind of rhythm going with Boldin that game and though I'm not excusing the drop, cause it was terrible, it was a difficult pass to catch. The Housh drop was inexcusable. The offense started the second half of that game fumble, fumble, punt and interception, giving the Steelers great field position each time. People try to say the defense shouldn't have given up the pass to Brown, but the truth is they are the only reason we stayed in that game(and got us 7 points while putting us in position for the Heap td). The offense was horrible that game.

I dont see anyway Flacco doesn't break 100 wins besides injury or the FO starts getting advice from the Browns.

[ravensdfan]

All I want is another superbowl. Don't care how we get there

 

Amen to that.

[hawkprey]

Yeah, Tony Romo isn't going to the HoF

He won't but Witten, TO and Bryant might (hint: his top 3 targets during his career).

 

How about one of our receivers break a record and make the Pro Bowl?

[52520Andrew]

They got absolutely no kind of rhythm going with Boldin that game and though I'm not excusing the drop, cause it was terrible, it was a difficult pass to catch. The Housh drop was inexcusable. The offense started the second half of that game fumble, fumble, punt and interception, giving the Steelers great field position each time. People try to say the defense shouldn't have given up the pass to Brown, but the truth is they are the only reason we stayed in that game(and got us 7 points while putting us in position for the Heap td). The offense was horrible that game.

I dont see anyway Flacco doesn't break the wins record besides injury or the FO starts getting advice from the Browns.

 

Yeah that was a game I really don't wish to relive. That and the 2011 game were both bad memories

[redrum52]

Yeah that was a game I really don't wish to relive. That and the 2011 game were both bad memories

I consider the 11 loss a missing ring, cause I think that was one of the best Ravens teams ever and think we would have beat down the Giants. The 10 loss stings a little more cause it's Pit and a game we should have won. I think all of those losses helped mold who's left on this team though.

[52520Andrew]

I consider the 11 loss a missing ring, cause I think that was one of the best Ravens teams ever and think we would have beat down the Giants. The 10 loss stings a little more cause it's Pit and a game we should have won. I think all of those losses helped mold who's left on this team though.

 

Yeah I hated both of those losses but at the same time, I don't know if we would have won it in 2012 without those losses driving us