The Flacco's Next Record To Break

[davy_861]

I want to see him break most passes completed without an interception streak.

[beanfigger]

I want to see him break most passes completed without an interception streak.

Up until last year, he had the fourth lowest int ratio in the history of football, so if he returns to that for the rest of his career, he could end up with one of the lowest ever.

[ravensnick]

First, a disclaimer:

 

If you are one of the anti-Flacco guys, you may want to cover your ears for this one, it isn't going to be pretty (not for you, anyway )

 

For the rest of us, we are well aware of the many NFL records The Flacco holds, not to mention many other team records. To recap (copy and pasted from baltimorebeatdown):

 

First rookie quarterback to start all sixteen games and make the playoffs.

First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games

Most starts by a quarterback in first season: 19

Most starts by a quarterback in first two seasons: 37

Most starts by a quarterback in first three seasons: 55

Most starts by a quarterback in first four seasons: 73

Most starts by a quarterback in first five seasons: 93

Most wins by a quarterback in first 80 consecutive starts: 54

Most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)

Only quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons

Most road playoff wins by a quarterback: 6

Most touchdowns in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana and Kurt Warner)

Most touchdowns without an interception in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana)

First quarterback to have a passer rating over 100 in all four games of a single postseason.

Most consecutive playoff games with three passing touchdowns: 3 (tied with Bernie Kosar, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers)

Note that after only five years Flacco already has more road playoff wins than any other QB in the history of the NFL.

 

So what's the next record to shatter for our Super Bowl 47 MVP?

 

How about this one, a little known, but crucial record -- Peyton Manning currently holds the record for the most wins in a decade (115 wins during the 2000s, Tom Brady is second with 97, and Troy Aikman is third at 94)

 

Now, a pre-emptive note for you guys who are going to whine that it's a team sport, blah blah blah. Can it, because this isn't a debate about your opinion on that matter. Besides, it's not a coincidence that three HOF QBs are on top of that list.

 

Currently, The Flacco is sitting at 42 wins in the 2010s. He is just a hair under Manning's pace, but above Brady's; at his current clip, Flacco will finish the decade with 105 wins.

 

What say you, purple brethren? Will The Flacco add another notch to his NFL record belt, or will he fall short?

If we get a decent o-line and a run game to be able to run the Play Action, Flacco will excel.

[ravensnick]

I think Flacco could have a huge year this year. best receiving corp he has ever had in experienced Pitta, Daniels, Steve, experienced torrey, breakout Marlon, and Rice back to his slim playing weight

[usmccharles]

Ok, so im a huge flacco supporter.  One thing i cant say is that he is responsible for wins soley in his first couple years, but technically it doesnt matter consider he gets the stat line.   But nothing can be taken away from his amazing post season run in our superbowl year.  i do agree this is the year that he could set records in yards and tds as long as someone stays healthy.  I made a bet last year he was going to throw 30tds and 4k yards...before we traded boldin and pitta got hurt.  If our offense stays healthy and he has prortection, ill eat crow if he doesnt perform because we gave him the tools he needs, that cant be denied.

[1/28/01]

Ok, so im a huge flacco supporter. One thing i cant say is that he is responsible for wins soley in his first couple years, but technically it doesnt matter consider he gets the stat line. But nothing can be taken away from his amazing post season run in our superbowl year. i do agree this is the year that he could set records in yards and tds as long as someone stays healthy. I made a bet last year he was going to throw 30tds and 4k yards...before we traded boldin and pitta got hurt. If our offense stays healthy and he has prortection, ill eat crow if he doesnt perform because we gave him the tools he needs, that cant be denied.

Oh, but quite a few think and will say we didnt give him any tools, nor did we make any moves for the offense/Joe this offseason. So, it will be denied.

[SecretAgentMan]

Oh, but quite a few think and will say we didnt give him any tools, nor did we make any moves for the offense/Joe this offseason. So, it will be denied.

Those ain't gonna mean a damn thing if we don't give him protection... 

 

Do we have a complete offensive line(sees no starting RT). 

 

Nope, we don't. I like Hust, thought he was a day 2 pick. But again, rookie. 

Wagner might suck. 

 

And this draft gave us no offensive depth whatsoever. 

 

 

SO, I expect Flacco to be bad, and I feel sorry for him, considering he's gonna get a crapload of backlash. 

 

Rage aside, the offense's starting lineup isn't too bad. Smith Sr, and Torrey should be a good duo. Pitta and Daniels likewise. But if one, ONE of our WRs goes down. We are SCREWED. 

[usmccharles]

Those ain't gonna mean a damn thing if we don't give him protection... 

 

Do we have a complete offensive line(sees no starting RT). 

 

Nope, we don't. I like Hust, thought he was a day 2 pick. But again, rookie. 

Wagner might suck. 

 

And this draft gave us no offensive depth whatsoever. 

 

 

SO, I expect Flacco to be bad, and I feel sorry for him, considering he's gonna get a crapload of backlash. 

 

Rage aside, the offense's starting lineup isn't too bad. Smith Sr, and Torrey should be a good duo. Pitta and Daniels likewise. But if one, ONE of our WRs goes down. We are SCREWED. 

Disagree.  Marlon stepped up when he had too, i think another could do the same.  Wr is honestly one of the positions im nto worried at all about.   OL yes. 

[SecretAgentMan]

Disagree.  Marlon stepped up when he had too, i think another could do the same.  Wr is honestly one of the positions im nto worried at all about.   OL yes. 

Marlon isn't a number one, hell not even a #2. He's a #3. He could progress, but I doubt it. Our depth is freaking terrible, and we didn't draft a future developmental player to be a #1 WR in the deepest WR draft in recent memory. IT REALLY PISSES ME OFF. 

 

IDK. I like Marlon, but he's not as good as we cut him out to be. 

[redrum52]

Those ain't gonna mean a damn thing if we don't give him protection...

Do we have a complete offensive line(sees no starting RT).

Nope, we don't. I like Hust, thought he was a day 2 pick. But again, rookie.

Wagner might suck.

And this draft gave us no offensive depth whatsoever.

SO, I expect Flacco to be bad, and I feel sorry for him, considering he's gonna get a crapload of backlash.

Rage aside, the offense's starting lineup isn't too bad. Smith Sr, and Torrey should be a good duo. Pitta and Daniels likewise. But if one, ONE of our WRs goes down. We are SCREWED.

Everyone keeps crying about if one of our wrs goes down we're screwed. Fun fact, not many teams can survive without 1 of their starting wrs. It's funny to me though how Torrey is constantly under scrutiny on this site, but the truth is, if he goes down, we're screwed as you said. We could lose JJ, Marlon or Steve for a little bit, but if he goes down that messes up our entire offense.

[usmccharles]

Marlon isn't a number one, hell not even a #2. He's a #3. He could progress, but I doubt it. Our depth is freaking terrible, and we didn't draft a future developmental player to be a #1 WR in the deepest WR draft in recent memory. IT REALLY PISSES ME OFF. 

 

IDK. I like Marlon, but he's not as good as we cut him out to be. 

Man, i highly disagree.  Compared to some teams our WRs are stacked.  Agreed, we do not have a megatron, aj green, dez type player but most teams dont.  I share your frustration on not grabbing a wr earlier, was screaming to even take cooks when he was still there.  But with Pitta back this year and a new OC who i really like, i think our offense looks a hell of a lot better...if....and if,,,,we protect Joe. 

[AP562]

im a fan of joe he knows how to win games, he dont have the stats like matt ryan or tony romo but how many times they even been in a playoffs ? i think joe will have a break out year stats wise. matt shaub was even a pro bowler under gary k.

[YYZ66]

 

Note that after only five years Flacco already has more road playoff wins than any other QB in the history of the NFL.

 

 

 

This is the most amazing thing to me.  With all of the playoff runs Bradshaw, Aikman, and Montana had?  Apparently they had home field advantage quite often.

[flynismo]

Oh, but quite a few think and will say we didnt give him any tools, nor did we make any moves for the offense/Joe this offseason. So, it will be denied.

I'm not one of those people, but I can see where they are coming from. We are relying very heavily on a 35 year old WR who is clearly over the hill, an unknown at RT, a 31 year old TE (coming off a major injury) and a cast-off from TB's OL. It's not like we brought in premier talent.

[arnie_uk]

I'm not one of those people, but I can see where they are coming from. We are relying very heavily on a 35 year old WR who is clearly over the hill, an unknown at RT, a 31 year old TE (coming off a major injury) and a cast-off from TB's OL. It's not like we brought in premier talent.

dont forget the undrafted rookie a year removed from an acl injury. Too many ifs and buts to be considered a great receiving core for me.

Also the running back situation is completely questionable. Pierce is currently injured, again, rice me be banned. All we have is a fourth round rookie and a average at best vet.

Combine that with an average centre, granted is a upgrade, probably a huge one of gino , no clear right tackle, and two guards that were injured last year. One elite guard injured enough he had probably the worst year of his career and the other required back surgery.

How the hell can anyone say we are putting this offense in the best situation to succeed. Imo of they hit average , around 15 to 18 ranked, they've massively overachieved.

[Tru11]

lets just hope the o-line doesent get  him killed.

 

another season like last season and all bets are off....

[ravensdfan]

lets just hope the o-line doesent get  him killed.

 

another season like last season and all bets are off....

 

My biggest concern there is that we still have Castillo. Say what you want but we had basically (minus Birk) the same OL that played well enough for Flacco to have that record tying post season run & SB victory. The only difference was Castillo. It wasn't just worse - it was horrid. And he's still here. Do we really believe, as important as the position is, that Gino was the root cause for that?

 

No injuries and everyone comes back from injury good to go - and we'll be alright. For about a year. Then what? Or we get an injury. Then what? At some point we have to stop patching up the offense with old glue and actually build it.

[Tru11]

My biggest concern there is that we still have Castillo. Say what you want but we had basically (minus Birk) the same OL that played well enough for Flacco to have that record tying post season run & SB victory. The only difference was Castillo. It wasn't just worse - it was horrid. And he's still here. Do we really believe, as important as the position is, that Gino was the root cause for that?

 

No injuries and everyone comes back from injury good to go - and we'll be alright. For about a year. Then what? Or we get an injury. Then what? At some point we have to stop patching up the offense with old glue and actually build it.

 

well watch out cause people rather blame gino , oher and mckinnie but yeah castillo came in and changed stuff and well we ended up with what we saw last year.

 

good thing is that kubiak seem to have gotten alot of power so lets hope things go well.

[flynismo]

well watch out cause people rather blame gino , oher and mckinnie

I can't imagine why.....

Apparently the FO blames them as well, considering two of those guys are no longer on the team, and the third is no longer the starter, and may also find himself gone before its all said and done

[gabefergy]

Hard to believe we only won one superbowl since he's been. Stupid mistakes at crucial moments. I genuinely think we should have 3 at least in the past 6 yrs.

Just hope the window hasn't closed and that these past 3 4 drafts begin to pan out.

The Ravens could have legitimately won 3 SBs straight if a couple of breaks had gone differently. I'm not sure many of those faults are on Joe though.

 

You are right though, with all the money tied up in Flacco these past couple of drafts really have to pan out. I'm still a bit salty at the lack of emphasis put on the offensive side of the ball. Does it mean that Ozzie and Co. think the defense has to win championships with Flacco being more of a manager or that Flacco and the offense can be good enough without elite playmakers? Interesting question IMO.

[flynismo]

The Ravens could have legitimately won 3 SBs straight if a couple of breaks had gone differently. I'm not sure many of those faults are on Joe though.

You are right though, with all the money tied up in Flacco these past couple of drafts really have to pan out. I'm still a bit salty at the lack of emphasis put on the offensive side of the ball. Does it mean that Ozzie and Co. think the defense has to win championships with Flacco being more of a manager or that Flacco and the offense can be good enough without elite playmakers? Interesting question IMO.

I think that they follow a time tested philosophy....a great QB plus a great defense will always give you the best odds of going all the way.

I guess that would suggest that they think the offense will be good enough if the defense returns to past form

[ravensdfan]

I can't imagine why.....

Apparently the FO blames them as well, considering two of those guys are no longer on the team, and the third is no longer the starter, and may also find himself gone before its all said and done

 

McKinnie was you know, himself. I wonder what the motivating factor was to make him play better during post season. However, there were quite a few singing his praises when he came here and how he was the future and all that jazz.

 

As for Oher - I remember reading an article about ongoing contract talks. How he was displeased and felt the Ravens were undervaluing him. The FO couldn't have been horribly displeased because they were trying to extend him before his contract ran out.  Anyway, it seemed his play really fell off shortly after I read that article. I wonder if he just didn't care at that point.

[flynismo]

McKinnie was you know, himself. I wonder what the motivating factor was to make him play better during post season. However, there were quite a few singing his praises when he came here and how he was the future and all that jazz.

As for Oher - I remember reading an article about ongoing contract talks. How he was displeased and felt the Ravens were undervaluing him. The FO couldn't have been horribly displeased because they were trying to extend him before his contract ran out. Anyway, it seemed his play really fell off shortly after I read that article. I wonder if he just didn't care at that point.

Ha, McKinnie's postseason run will forever be a mystery....

But Oher, he has been god awful since his rookie season. I have a theory why that is, but some may find it offensive, so I won't elaborate. The only reason we would have extended him is to ensure we have a decent backup for the new RT....if he was upset, that would be a possible explanation. I can never believe that we ever intended on extending him with the intention of giving him a 100th chance to prove himself a viable option. Honestly, I think his rookie season is the only reason we didn't give up on him sooner...but as they say, actions speak louder than words, hence Ohers departure

[Tiz]

As a ravens fan how could you not want him to achieve this record.

[arnie_uk]

The Ravens could have legitimately won 3 SBs straight if a couple of breaks had gone differently. I'm not sure many of those faults are on Joe though.

You are right though, with all the money tied up in Flacco these past couple of drafts really have to pan out. I'm still a bit salty at the lack of emphasis put on the offensive side of the ball. Does it mean that Ozzie and Co. think the defense has to win championships with Flacco being more of a manager or that Flacco and the offense can be good enough without elite playmakers? Interesting question IMO.

I wasnt blaming joe there although on second reading I see how that came across. Lee evans for one, boldin dropping that td pass against pitts was another

[flynismo]

I wasnt blaming joe there although on second reading I see how that came across. Lee evans for one, boldin dropping that td pass against pitts was another

Not to mention Dickson seeing ghosts and bouncing a pass off the numbers when nobody was within 7 yards of him in that PIT game.

it's like a freaking cosmic conspiracy against us not wanting us to have 3 consecutive SB titles

[The Mom Gene]

He'll need a couple playoff wins after the regular season to move to sixth if my math is correct (currently 19 behind Brady). Oh never mind, the ranks are due to regular season only.

It's crazy to think he has started every game his whole career for six straight seasons, and that is second place, but not even half of Peyton's 14 seasons of consecutive starts to begin his career. And 321 total for Favre... That is a record that will probably never be touched.

I had heard this mentioned before....  They mentioned him being "possibly Baltimore's next Ironman"....  I hated that because I am not one that would want to jinx anything like that.

[BmoreBird22]

My biggest concern there is that we still have Castillo. Say what you want but we had basically (minus Birk) the same OL that played well enough for Flacco to have that record tying post season run & SB victory. The only difference was Castillo. It wasn't just worse - it was horrid. And he's still here. Do we really believe, as important as the position is, that Gino was the root cause for that?

 

No injuries and everyone comes back from injury good to go - and we'll be alright. For about a year. Then what? Or we get an injury. Then what? At some point we have to stop patching up the offense with old glue and actually build it.

As much as I was upset with the line and did blame Castillo at first, it was not him. McKinnie had routinely shown to be a problem in the offseason, not showing up to workouts, showing up overweight, being lazy. Problem number one right there. You could argue they got an upgrade in Monroe, but one player can't fix the entire line (maybe if the center were better, it could have been better). He had to learn a new playbook, new terminology, and develop chemistry. He was lights out for the most part, having been a great run blocker and being left on an island in pass protection, but again, one player does not make up for five (except maybe the center making line calls correctly). Then, you have Kelechi Osemele with back problems. A healthy Kelechi Osemele and an injured Osemele are not the same thing. When he goes out, you've got AQ Shipley in. Are we gonna say he's as talented as Kelechi? I hope not. At center, you go from Birk to having Gradkowski. Not only is Birk a better blocker, but he also has the knowledge to make the line calls. Even if Gradkowski was as good of a blocker, he wouldn't be the same because he couldn't make the calls. That's a massive problem for a line if they can't communicate the calls and get everyone set. That hurts A LOT. At right guard, you have Marshall Yanda who had rotator cuff surgery. It also frequently looked like he was trying to help with the calls and trying to compensate for Oher and for Gradkowski. Having to focus on helping make line calls, trying compensate for two other positions other than your own, and having had surgery is surely not a way to be successful. He was the best guard in the NFL for two, three years, but all of a sudden he drops that hard? I don't buy it. Then you have Oher… I can't say much that you don't know. Great person for being so willing to switch positions and always working hard, but he regressed from his great rookie season and frequently looked lost.

 

So, to sum it all up, no, it was not basically the same line. You had a less motivated McKinnie, a new left tackle who had to learn on the fly and develop chemistry in Monroe, a hurt Kelechi Osemele, then a backup who had no business starting in Shipley, a new center with no ability to make the line calls, a hurt Yanda, and a regressing Oher. I don't see how that's the same offensive line. I'm sure getting a healthy Osemele back, having a new center with experience, having Monroe for a full offseason, and getting a healthy Yanda will help. I'm a tad concerned with the right tackle position, but Ricky Wagner can't be worse than Oher (I'm confident of that), and if he doesn't show something, there are options on the market. 

 

That's only the players. That doesn't even take into account that you have two offensive line coaches. Andy Moeller and Juan Castillo to go along with a very inexperienced play caller. Who do you listen to? Does Caldwell know how to draw up protections well? Too many cooks in the kitchen?

The offensive line SHOULD be improved, and by a fair margin, if you ask me. Now, I'm not expecting Denver's offensive line, but a competent one that can keep Joe upright for the most part is not out of the question.

[redrum52]

I wasnt blaming joe there although on second reading I see how that came across. Lee evans for one, boldin dropping that td pass against pitts was another

I notice you dont mention the terrible pick 6 he threw his rookie year, the abysmal 09 post season or the fumble and pick against the Steelers in 10. There was also a late pick he gave to Brandon Spikes in 11 and missing an open guy for a td after STs forced and recovered the ball in good field position. All that aside, im pretty sure the Packers would've ran through us in 10, but we would have beat the Giants in 11.

Also, as stupid as it might sound, I'd rather this than losing because there is something to be said about a perfect SB record with multiple appearances.

[ravensdfan]

As much as I was upset with the line and did blame Castillo at first, it was not him. McKinnie had routinely shown to be a problem in the offseason, not showing up to workouts, showing up overweight, being lazy. Problem number one right there. You could argue they got an upgrade in Monroe, but one player can't fix the entire line (maybe if the center were better, it could have been better). He had to learn a new playbook, new terminology, and develop chemistry. He was lights out for the most part, having been a great run blocker and being left on an island in pass protection, but again, one player does not make up for five (except maybe the center making line calls correctly). Then, you have Kelechi Osemele with back problems. A healthy Kelechi Osemele and an injured Osemele are not the same thing. When he goes out, you've got AQ Shipley in. Are we gonna say he's as talented as Kelechi? I hope not. At center, you go from Birk to having Gradkowski. Not only is Birk a better blocker, but he also has the knowledge to make the line calls. Even if Gradkowski was as good of a blocker, he wouldn't be the same because he couldn't make the calls. That's a massive problem for a line if they can't communicate the calls and get everyone set. That hurts A LOT. At right guard, you have Marshall Yanda who had rotator cuff surgery. It also frequently looked like he was trying to help with the calls and trying to compensate for Oher and for Gradkowski. Having to focus on helping make line calls, trying compensate for two other positions other than your own, and having had surgery is surely not a way to be successful. He was the best guard in the NFL for two, three years, but all of a sudden he drops that hard? I don't buy it. Then you have Oher… I can't say much that you don't know. Great person for being so willing to switch positions and always working hard, but he regressed from his great rookie season and frequently looked lost.

 

So, to sum it all up, no, it was not basically the same line. You had a less motivated McKinnie, a new left tackle who had to learn on the fly and develop chemistry in Monroe, a hurt Kelechi Osemele, then a backup who had no business starting in Shipley, a new center with no ability to make the line calls, a hurt Yanda, and a regressing Oher. I don't see how that's the same offensive line. I'm sure getting a healthy Osemele back, having a new center with experience, having Monroe for a full offseason, and getting a healthy Yanda will help. I'm a tad concerned with the right tackle position, but Ricky Wagner can't be worse than Oher (I'm confident of that), and if he doesn't show something, there are options on the market. 

 

That's only the players. That doesn't even take into account that you have two offensive line coaches. Andy Moeller and Juan Castillo to go along with a very inexperienced play caller. Who do you listen to? Does Caldwell know how to draw up protections well? Too many cooks in the kitchen?

The offensive line SHOULD be improved, and by a fair margin, if you ask me. Now, I'm not expecting Denver's offensive line, but a competent one that can keep Joe upright for the most part is not out of the question.

 

We didn't add Monroe until October. The line was crap prior to that so him learning a new system yada yada yada had nothing to do with it.  Say what you want - McKinnie was motivated in that post season run and the same line minus Birk - as I said - went from servicable to basement in one off season.

 

KO's back was from the get go? That's odd because it wasn't mentioned anywhere, even on the injury report, until end of October - November 1st.  The line sucked from day one.

 

I know you like Castillo - it's all good - but the fact is we began the season with essentially the same OL minus Birk, one OL coach the same and Castillo, the new cog. I really find it difficult to believe that Gino made the line crap for those 6 weeks all by his lonesome.

 

Now as for the two many cooks argument, I made that argument during the season as well. However, Harbaugh came out and said it wasn't so, that Castillo was in charge the entire time, just wasn't given the title. Who knows?

 

Back on topic of why we're even talking about the OL:

 

The O line, the O line, the O line. We go nowhere without at least an average performance there. Flacco won't have a chance at that record unless they improve drastically, not just marginally.