The Flacco's Next Record To Break

[Guest RBates]

Those rankings are pretty fair, but I definitely wouldn't put Russell Wilson in the top tier. I also think that if Phillip Rivers and Big Ben are in tier one, Flacco should be too. Still pretty fair overall. 

Russell has had a QBR of over 100 for two years.  I dont think anyone can take him out of the top tier until he hits 80 something....lol 

[BmoreBird22]

Stats don't lie for the two and three years they have been in the league respectively.  They have accounted for more touchdowns than any two of Flacco's six years. (Yes i counted rushing Td's as well). Note; Russell Wilson doesn't even need his rushing Tds 

 

Russell Wilson is hands down better than Flacco in any stat except yards.

 

Cam's numbers are similar to Flacco's but he has a higher skill set.  If we factor in his mobility it wouldn't even be close.

Stats are so misleading it's not even funny

[BmoreBird22]

The guys i named will do well without it.  It's just that, to reach that next level they have to have those pieces.

Name those quarterbacks who can succeed in the wrong system without talent. I'll prove you wrong. Only one I will accept is Andrew Luck

[ellicottraven]

Stats don't lie for the two and three years they have been in the league respectively.  They have accounted for more touchdowns than any two of Flacco's six years. (Yes i counted rushing Td's as well). Note; Russell Wilson doesn't even need his rushing Tds 

 

Russell Wilson is hands down better than Flacco in any stat except yards.

 

Cam's numbers are similar to Flacco's but he has a higher skill set.  If we factor in his mobility it wouldn't even be close.  

So Flacco is just an average QB who had a good 4 games that led to a SB win then? I believe he is still better than Wilson or Newton. However, I am not saying you're wrong, but this year will prove one of us wrong. I believe if Flacco's stats don't improve this year under Kubiak and if it proves that we win despite Flacco then I will wholeheartedly agree that Flacco is just an average QB in the league with one great run much like Nick Foles had last year...

[Tank 92]

So Flacco is just an average QB who had a good 4 games that led to a SB win then? I believe he is still better than Wilson or Newton. However, I am not saying you're wrong, but this year will prove one of us wrong. I believe if Flacco's stats don't improve this year under Kubiak and if it proves that we win despite Flacco then I will wholeheartedly agree that Flacco is just an average QB in the league with one great run much like Nick Foles had last year...

wait......... Did the the Eagles win the SB last year?

[ravensdfan]

Ben has played in all 16 games twice (2008 and 2013) and has hit the 4,000 mark 3 times since 2008, compared to zero times for Flacco. And despite his injury issues Ben has also thrown for more TDs than Joe for the last 3 seasons.

 

Oh so one more time than I said - and I forgot about 2013 - I knew it had been once prior to that. You fail to acknowledge he's been in the league four years longer - but only hit that 4,000 mark everyone wants to use as some measuring stick 3 times. Not to mention he didn't hit that until his 6th season. The odds favor Flacco hitting that mark in his 5th season if we don't pull him out after one series in the Bengals' game.

 

You can't use the TD measuring stick - down by the goal line we run 90% of the time. That isn't on Flacco but the system we run (hopefully ran with Kubiak here now).

 

Sorry but guys who've proven nothing like Cam & Luck have no business in the top tier right now. I love how the measuring stick changes once Flacco hits a mark - prior to 2012 it was "well he has to win a SB".

 

If we're talking who wins your fantasy game for you - then okay. If we're talking real football - no.

[ravensdfan]

Russell has had a QBR of over 100 for two years.  I dont think anyone can take him out of the top tier until he hits 80 something....lol 

 

Wilson throws the ball less than 400 times a season and averages less than 200 yds a game in the air. He is currently the ultimate game manager relying on a killer defense. I mean - isn't that what you say about Flacco's success and win record? We had a good defense?

 

Prior to last season with all its failings - Flacco had a better INT ratio than Wilson - throwing the ball way more often with the exception of his rookie year when he only threw 428 times.

 

You always want it both ways. Doesn't wash.

[display name]

Oh so one more time than I said - and I forgot about 2013 - I knew it had been once prior to that. You fail to acknowledge he's been in the league four years longer - but only hit that 4,000 mark everyone wants to use as some measuring stick 3 times. Not to mention he didn't hit that until his 6th season. The odds favor Flacco hitting that mark in his 5th season if we don't pull him out after one series in the Bengals' game.

 

You can't use the TD measuring stick - down by the goal line we run 90% of the time. That isn't on Flacco but the system we run (hopefully ran with Kubiak here now).

 

Sorry but guys who've proven nothing like Cam & Luck have no business in the top tier right now. I love how the measuring stick changes once Flacco hits a mark - prior to 2012 it was "well he has to win a SB".

 

If we're talking who wins your fantasy game for you - then okay. If we're talking real football - no.

And you can't use the "years in the league" measuring stick. Whoever plays the best should be ranked higher. And in the games in which he has played Roethlisberger has clearly played better than Flacco.

[ravensdfan]

And you can't use the "years in the league" measuring stick. Whoever plays the best should be ranked higher. And in the games in which he has played Roethlisberger has clearly played better than Flacco.

 

Why not? You expect that a rookie should play at the same level of someone in the league 4 years? You expect that a QB in a system that relies way more heavily on the run than a wide open system that has their QB dropping back 40-50 times a game should put up the same numbers?

 

I thought one looked at a body of work - not one season - when ranking players. Isn't that what everyone wants to say about Flacco's post season run? It was a fluke? Even though in the history of football only one other QB pulled it off?

 

Like I said - for fantasy football those stats are the only measuring stick. For real football - they are misleading.

 

No one would complain if Flacco won fantasy games, as long as we're still winning real football games.

[Guest RBates]

Name those quarterbacks who can succeed in the wrong system without talent. I'll prove you wrong. Only one I will accept is Andrew Luck

Cam is doing it now without a decent run game and no real threat at receiver.

[Guest RBates]

Wilson throws the ball less than 400 times a season and averages less than 200 yds a game in the air. He is currently the ultimate game manager relying on a killer defense. I mean - isn't that what you say about Flacco's success and win record? We had a good defense?

 

Prior to last season with all its failings - Flacco had a better INT ratio than Wilson - throwing the ball way more often with the exception of his rookie year when he only threw 428 times.

 

You always want it both ways. Doesn't wash.

He throws the football right at 400 times a season.  Averages 26 td a season with 9.5 interceptions who cares about yards because like you said he plays on a good defensive team.He is very proficient when given the short field.

 

That's the mark of any good quarterback. Not sure why i would need it both ways. Are the stats not enough?

 

P.S  by int ratio i'm assuming you mean passes to interceptions.  Because if its the (TD to interception ratio) the one that really matters, then you would be wrong.  

[Guest RBates]

So Flacco is just an average QB who had a good 4 games that led to a SB win then? I believe he is still better than Wilson or Newton. However, I am not saying you're wrong, but this year will prove one of us wrong. I believe if Flacco's stats don't improve this year under Kubiak and if it proves that we win despite Flacco then I will wholeheartedly agree that Flacco is just an average QB in the league with one great run much like Nick Foles had last year...

Flacco is not an average QB. He is above average.  With that said, he has guys that are clearly more talented then him that don't get their respect at their position. Flacco has the best deep ball in the league right now.  I think if Kubiak is able to tap into what he does best he can be in the top 5 Qb's in the league today EASY.

 

Flacco is a rare talent because i don't think he even knows how good he can be.  First we have to stabilize the offensive line, make him more comfortable in the pocket and then we can talk about what records he will break next. 

[redrum52]

He throws the football right at 400 times a season.  Averages 26 td a season with 9.5 interceptions who cares about yards because like you said he plays on a good defensive team.He is very proficient when given the short field.

 

That's the mark of any good quarterback. Not sure why i would need it both ways. Are the stats not enough?

Wins or stats, Russell Wilson is ahead of Flacco then by most people's here standards.  You can't say Brady is overrated then when you bring up points on Wilson, Wilson is worse than Flacco.  Wilson has more wins in his two years than Flacco did, higher QB rating, more post season wins, more regular season wins and a better td-int ratio.  He also has a ring, while also being more of a reason for the wins than just enjoying the ride as well, unlike Flacco earlier in his career.

[Guest RBates]

Wins or stats, Russell Wilson is ahead of Flacco then by most people's here standards.  You can't say Brady is overrated then when you bring up points on Wilson, Wilson is worse than Flacco.  Wilson has more wins in his two years than Flacco did, higher QB rating, more post season wins, more regular season wins and a better td-int ratio.  He also has a ring, while also being more of a reason for the wins than just enjoying the ride as well, unlike Flacco earlier in his career.

I was making the case for Wilson.  He is a beast.  Flacco might break the single season yards record though, with Smith, Jacoby, Smith, Daniel, Pitta and  Ray Rice. 

[redrum52]

I was making the case for Wilson.  He is a beast.  Flacco might break the single season yards record though, with Smith, Jacoby, Smith, Daniel, Pitta and  Ray Rice. 

I know you were.  I think it's weird how people are so quick to judge other qbs but the purple shades go on for Joe when criticizing him.

[ravensdfan]

I know you were.  I think it's weird how people are so quick to judge other qbs but the purple shades go on for Joe when criticizing him.

 

I think it's weird how some bash Flacco, give anyone and any area of the game credit for any success he gets - but then - when Wilson has a beast defense, oh it isn't the defense.

[PolishRifle]

I was making the case for Wilson.  He is a beast.  

 

Wilson is doing exactly what Flacco has been criticized of doing by many. He's taking care of a loaded team with a great defense and running game (better than the ones Flacco had, imho). I'm not saying Wilson isn't good, but I don't see him as a top tier QB, after just two seasons. I'd put him ahead of most younger QBs (all, except for Luck), because he has a ring, but he's a second to third teir QB for now for me.

When he gets his big contract (and players start leaving the Seahawks in FA) he'll have a harder time getting his team to the SB and that's why I would still put Joe ahead of Russ. Joe made his playoff run on a team, that had it's problems (defensively and offensively) and he still managed to win it all against a, in my opinion, superior SF team.

As far as stats are concerned, Wilson is clearly beating Joe there, but again, they are playing under different circumstances. How can we know how great Wilson would look in Cams playbook or how well Flacco would perform in Seattle?

Maybe Joes playoff run was a fluke, maybe it was his true talent shining through after Cam left. We'll see next season.

2014 will be huge for Flacco, because it will show us how much blame Cam deserves for the Ravens offense fairly average production. Joe can prove alot of people wrong/right.

[redrum52]

I think it's weird how some bash Flacco, give anyone and any area of the game credit for any success he gets - but then - when Wilson has a beast defense, oh it isn't the defense.

Where was the defense mentioned in his conversation?  He went by the same metrics most of you people use to judge qbs, said he thought Wilson was better and was hit with bs for a response.  You say it's not the "stats" it's winning.  Wilson has more wins, but when it's convenient to bring out certian stats, then all of a sudden those specific stats matter for Joe. 

 

Most of the the examples being used to build up Joe here are simply just trying to discredit other qbs acheivements.

[BmoreBird22]

Cam is doing it now without a decent run game and no real threat at receiver.

You do realize his yardage has dropped significantly every year and his touchdown totals are yet to reach 25, correct?

Steve Smith may have been older, but he was a pretty good receiver still, and a favorite of Newton. Greg Olsen is also a pretty good tight end

Now, if he lights it up with Kelvin Benjamin, Jericho Cotchery, Marvin McNutt, and the rest of the motley crew, I'll eat my words, but that's still a big drop off from Steve Smith, Brandon LaFell, and Ted Ginn Jr., even if the latter two aren't amazing

[flynismo]

I was making the case for Wilson.  He is a beast.  Flacco might break the single season yards record though, with Smith, Jacoby, Smith, Daniel, Pitta and  Ray Rice. 

 

Let's hope not. Any time a QB breaks passing records, it means their defense sucks and those teams never go on to win the SB.

[Guest RBates]

Wilson is doing exactly what Flacco has been criticized of doing by many. He's taking care of a loaded team with a great defense and running game (better than the ones Flacco had, imho). I'm not saying Wilson isn't good, but I don't see him as a top tier QB, after just two seasons. I'd put him ahead of most younger QBs (all, except for Luck), because he has a ring, but he's a second to third teir QB for now for me.

When he gets his big contract (and players start leaving the Seahawks in FA) he'll have a harder time getting his team to the SB and that's why I would still put Joe ahead of Russ. Joe made his playoff run on a team, that had it's problems (defensively and offensively) and he still managed to win it all against a, in my opinion, superior SF team.

As far as stats are concerned, Wilson is clearly beating Joe there, but again, they are playing under different circumstances. How can we know how great Wilson would look in Cams playbook or how well Flacco would perform in Seattle?

Maybe Joes playoff run was a fluke, maybe it was his true talent shining through after Cam left. We'll see next season.

2014 will be huge for Flacco, because it will show us how much blame Cam deserves for the Ravens offense fairly average production. Joe can prove alot of people wrong/right.

 

Second to third tier with over 100 as a rating for two years and 26 touchdowns both seasons?  Not to mention he has been better then any two of Flacco's six years in the league.  Wow! I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion. 

[Guest RBates]

Let's hope not. Any time a QB breaks passing records, it means their defense sucks and those teams never go on to win the SB.

Flacco will break the single season passing record at some point in his career. 

[Guest RBates]

You do realize his yardage has dropped significantly every year and his touchdown totals are yet to reach 25, correct?

Steve Smith may have been older, but he was a pretty good receiver still, and a favorite of Newton. Greg Olsen is also a pretty good tight end

Now, if he lights it up with Kelvin Benjamin, Jericho Cotchery, Marvin McNutt, and the rest of the motley crew, I'll eat my words, but that's still a big drop off from Steve Smith, Brandon LaFell, and Ted Ginn Jr., even if the latter two aren't amazing

25 passing touchdowns?  Oh you don't count the rushing Td's. I almost forgot that not a stat for a QB......What was i thinking.

[flynismo]

 

Flacco is a rare talent because i don't think he even knows how good he can be.  First we have to stabilize the offensive line, make him more comfortable in the pocket and then we can talk about what records he will break next. 

 

See, this is what is so damn tantalizing AND frustrating about Flacco.

 

No BS or homer stuff, I'm being real here....before the 2008 draft, I believed Flacco was going to one day become a top 3 - 5 QB. So obviously I was kinda happy when my favorite team in the world drafted him (to be fair, I also thought Ryan was going to be a bust and laughed at ATL...I'm not a know it all fortune teller, even if I act like one sometimes).

 

I thought that by this point in his career, Flacco would have won not one, but TWO super bowls. And I thought he would have possibly had an MVP, depending on what his stats looked like (we are the Ravens after all, we like our defense and running game to be at the fore-front). I certainly felt that after six years, he would have undeniably established himself as the top dog, after Manning / Brady / Brees.

 

Obviously, none of the above has happened. So what does that mean?

 

It could mean that Flacco is somewhat of a letdown. But really, that's not the case. All it really shows is that Flacco has proven to be so good, that we have very unfair expectations of him. At least I do. I mean for gawd's sake, I remember just praying that Boller would not screw things up and cost us the game....and here I am expecting Flacco to take us on deep playoff runs every single season.

 

And here we are today.....we say things like "Flacco's light bulb has yet to turn on" and "I dont think he even knows how good he can be".

Those statements are probably true....but again, it comes back to expectations. Do we really expect Flacco to have peaked after just six years? Because it is not a good sign when a QB hits his ceiling so quickly --- it means that he is either physically or mentally (usually mentally) limited as a football player. Michael Vick is the perfect example of that.

 

If you think about it, we really should be thrilled as fans when it comes to this guy. He is a big reason for our sustained success, and the scary part is, he has yet to tap into his full potential. He is entering the prime of his career and finally has a high quality OC to help make the transition from a very good QB to a monster at the position. All that, and he has already accomplished more than 98% of QBs ever will.

[The Raven]

Second to third tier with over 100 as a rating for two years and 26 touchdowns both seasons?  Not to mention he has been better then any two of Flacco's six years in the league.  Wow! I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion. 

 

In fairness, Wilson has a much better scheme to work with. I hate to always go back to that but his offensive scheme suits him better than any of ours have suited Flacco.

[flynismo]

Flacco will break the single season passing record at some point in his career. 

If he does that, is that a good or bad thing? I don't see a lot of positives if that were to happen

[BmoreBird22]

25 passing touchdowns?  Oh you don't count the rushing Td's. I almost forgot that not a stat for a QB......What was i thinking.

It's a different dimension to some quarterbacks games, but I don't think it will make or break which quarterback is better than which unless they are equal in skill, which Newton and Flacco are not. You're so obsessed with stats, especially with Wilson, but I could go on all day about how overrated he is

[BmoreBird22]

In fairness, Wilson has a much better scheme to work with. I hate to always go back to that but his offensive scheme suits him better than any of ours have suited Flacco.

But... that's not a stat, so your argument is invalid.

[flynismo]

It's a different dimension to some quarterbacks games, but I don't think it will make or break which quarterback is better than which unless they are equal in skill, which Newton and Flacco are not. You're so obsessed with stats, especially with Wilson, but I could go on all day about how overrated he is

I think RBates and a lot of other people place too much emphasis on stats. Stats weave whatever tale you want them to.

 

But his point is very valid. Guys like Vick put up poor stats, but he also CARRIED Atlanta because of his ability to make plays outside the pocket.

[TDubbs]

If he does that, is that a good or bad thing? I don't see a lot of positives if that were to happen

 

Ask Matt Stafford lol ... Definitely not always a lot of positives if your throwing the ball that much.