The Flacco's Next Record To Break

[1/28/01]

I'am the biggest Flacco supporter out there .. But above Tommy?! LMAO, has to be a joke. I agree w/ your points about BB and that Pats defense contributing to his success as well (he would have 1 ring without that combination).

Shoot....forgot about the kicker as well. Add him to my list somewhere before Tom.

[1/28/01]

It's a consistent level of play at the QB position that makes those top guys excellent. Year after year they put up great statistics, wins and playoff appearances. Flacco has had similar achievements in small sample sizes (mainly playoffs) ... Which is what leaves every fan wanting more of what is possible for him to give us. It's not a single season deal, it's a level of play that is proven over multiple season of excellence.

This. Its not a question of if he does this in 2014 or that in 2014. We're talking about a HOF career vs a career spanning over 6 years so far. Its not even worthy of comparing yet.

[1/28/01]

Just curious - what would it take this season for you to say Flacco is better than Brady (assume Brady is his normal self), or Rodgers or whoever?

Sorta answered this above (or, simply agreed with Dubbs), but consistently being a top passer for a few years would allow him to even enter into these conversations.

With that said, I do think he's quite possibly going to get there. THIS year is the deciding factor IMO as to what sorta Flacco we get for the next 5-10 years.

[flynismo]

Sorta answered this above (or, simply agreed with Dubbs), but consistently being a top passer for a few years would allow him to even enter into these conversations.

With that said, I do think he's quite possibly going to get there. THIS year is the deciding factor IMO as to what sorta Flacco we get for the next 5-10 years.

 

Pretty much. As much as I don't like stats, he HAS to put them up in order to be seriously considered along the lines of HOF QBs.

I am one of the first people to toot Flacco's horn for his ability to come through when it matters and win us games....but Brady does that too AND puts up the numbers.

 

That said, it's also a bit unfair to The Flacco to expect huge numbers from him (insert usual comments about the system and talent around him).

 

But, I definitely agree that this is THE defining year for Flacco. He is entering his 7th season, so he is no longer a wet behind the ears kid....he has a proven OC with a good system in place, and the talent around him (on paper) may not be confused with Denver's, but it should not hold him back either. Look forward to the next chapter of the Flacco era

[BmoreBird22]

I'm a little late, but Brady is incredibly overrated and so dearly blessed to have been in New England with Belichek

[Tank 92]

Just above Tom? Brady? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I am one that things Brady is overrated and his success early in his career was due to BB, defense, run game and then him...in that order. BUT Flacco is not better than Brady.

That's why they call it an opinion. :-). I may be a little biased in mine. I have no respect for "take a dive" tommy.

[Tank 92]

I'm a little late, but Brady is incredibly overrated and so dearly blessed to have been in New England with Belichek

The most over rated player in the NFL. I can understand though........the media has shoved him down everyone's throats for many years.

[BmoreBird22]

The most over rated player in the NFL. I can understand though........the media has shoved him down everyone's throats for many years.

I don't even think people realize the plethora of weapons he had when he finally broke out

[flynismo]

That's why they call it an opinion. :-). I may be a little biased in mine. I have no respect for "take a dive" tommy.

 

 

I'm a little late, but Brady is incredibly overrated and so dearly blessed to have been in New England with Belichek

 

Brady is highly overrated. No question. But even though he has ridden the coattails of his team to 3 SBs, and has played in a joke of a division his entire career, he still has accomplished things Flacco has never came close to ( yet )

[BmoreBird22]

Brady is highly overrated. No question. But even though he has ridden the coattails of his team to 3 SBs, and has played in a joke of a division his entire career, he still has accomplished things Flacco has never came close to ( yet )

But he's also had the far superior offensive talent. I'll admit that the defense he had was probably comparable to the 2012 Ravens defense, which should have won a defense, but his offensive lines and receivers as of late have been incredible

[52520Andrew]

But he's also had the far superior offensive talent. I'll admit that the defense he had was probably comparable to the 2012 Ravens defense, which should have won a defense, but his offensive lines and receivers as of late have been incredible

O-line yes but to call his receivers this past year incredible is stretching it

[BmoreBird22]

O-line yes but to call his receivers this past year incredible is stretching it

Okay, not this year, and it showed. His stats pre-Gronk were on pace to be like 3800 yards, 18 touchdowns, 15 interceptions

[Tank 92]

Brady is highly overrated. No question. But even though he has ridden the coattails of his team to 3 SBs, and has played in a joke of a division his entire career, he still has accomplished things Flacco has never came close to ( yet )

 

 

You said it, the pats have played in what could be considered the weakest AFC Division his entire career which obviously has boosted his stats.

 

I say again, Tom Brady is the most overrated player in the NFL. And yes, I think Flacco is the better football player regardless of stats comparisons or accomplishments.

 

In all but the last of their head to head match ups it has been obvious who was the best QB on the field, and is wasn't tommy.

[hawkprey]

Sorta answered this above (or, simply agreed with Dubbs), but consistently being a top passer for a few years would allow him to even enter into these conversations.

With that said, I do think he's quite possibly going to get there. THIS year is the deciding factor IMO as to what sorta Flacco we get for the next 5-10 years.

See, I don't see it that way. I don't think QBs improve much during their career, after they learn the NFL game. They pretty much are who they are, and their career is just a showcase of them playing in different circumstances.

 

I can think that Joe is one of the best QBs by his performance in the 2012 playoffs alone. That's because that was the lone part of his career that he's had a decent offensive cast: a good O-line, a pretty good TE, a WR who can go deep and a WR who can be counted on. That's all it took. Most QBs have that as a minimum their entire career. But it also means I expect similar results this year because I expect the offensive cast to be above average. If all goes well, I'm expecting about a 100-110 passer rating on the season and at least 2 playoff wins. If all goes well and he doesn't reach that, I'll say I was wrong about him. But I don't need years of convincing if we haven't given him years of good talent to work with.

[Ugly Ball]

I would like to see Joe take the Ravens to three more Superbowl victories. Those are really the only records that matter in the long run...!

[codizzle]

I would like to see Joe take the Ravens to three more Superbowl victories. Those are really the only records that matter in the long run...!

Only 3 more?

[PolishRifle]

Only 3 more?

 

Someone's taking that Joe Cool nickname a little serious. Not that I would have anything against 3 more rings. Expectations are just a tad high, that's all I'm saying.

[ravensnick]

You said it, the pats have played in what could be considered the weakest AFC Division his entire career which obviously has boosted his stats.

 

I say again, Tom Brady is the most overrated player in the NFL. And yes, I think Flacco is the better football player regardless of stats comparisons or accomplishments.

 

In all but the last of their head to head match ups it has been obvious who was the best QB on the field, and is wasn't tommy.

Still not as weak as the AFC south. If we are making this arguement, I'm bringing manning into this as well. The Colts had it easy. manning had two HOF worthy wideouts, a solid running game, decent o-line, and a great pass rushing defense. No competition except from maybe the Titians every five of years.

[redrum52]

Everyone says how easy Brady had it but forget that when he was up winning titles the Jets were competitive.As for Manning the Titans were a good team as well and the Jags weren't what they are today. You people have serious problems if you think Flacco is on Brady's level. You mention the head to head match ups where Flacco has the better numbers but Brady has been playing against a much tougher defense. You cant have it both ways. You cant say his opponents are weak but then not mention how good our defenses have been. Take off the purple shades and quit sipping the grape drink.

I see some of the comments here and wonder if I'm too stupid to realize I'm getting trolled.

[PolishRifle]

As much as I hate Brady, I would admit that Tom is agreat QB and better (for now) than Joe. However, he did have two carreers. One, when he was actually winning SBs and in all of those he had great defenses helping him out (better than the defense Joe won the championship with) and a carreer when the team was clearly built around him (with a GREAT OL and some really good weapons) and he put up stats, but failed to win a championship.

People are throwing Flacco under the bus and praising Brady to high heavens, but if you compare their carreers, they were pretty similar. The Pats just handled Toms development as a QB better, while the Ravens are about to figure it out (hopefully), thanks to Kubiak, imho.

[flynismo]

See, I don't see it that way. I don't think QBs improve much during their career, after they learn the NFL game. They pretty much are who they are, and their career is just a showcase of them playing in different circumstances.

 

I can think that Joe is one of the best QBs by his performance in the 2012 playoffs alone. That's because that was the lone part of his career that he's had a decent offensive cast: a good O-line, a pretty good TE, a WR who can go deep and a WR who can be counted on. That's all it took. Most QBs have that as a minimum their entire career. But it also means I expect similar results this year because I expect the offensive cast to be above average. If all goes well, I'm expecting about a 100-110 passer rating on the season and at least 2 playoff wins. If all goes well and he doesn't reach that, I'll say I was wrong about him. But I don't need years of convincing if we haven't given him years of good talent to work with.

 

 

Remember not long ago the "7 year" theory we talked about? Actually, I don't think I ever remembered to respond to you, I get sidetracked so easily in these Flacco fights lol....

To recap in case you don't remember, I've said for a while now that year 7 for QBs is often the equivalent of year 3 for WRs....it is the year where QBs often put it all together and become whatever it is they are destined to become.

 

Whether I am just imagining things or my theory is true is irrelevant here; or maybe my theory is correct, but the year it generally happens isn't correct --- there are ton of examples of QBs who step up their games big time seemingly out of the blue. Guys like Brees, Brady and Manning are the first examples who come to mind of QBs who were very, very good QBs the first six full seasons of their careers, and then in their 7th year, went from very good to HOF level of production and play.

 

I think that the first 3 or 4 years, a QB is learning the game. After that learning phase is over, they spend a couple years building upon that experience. And then it happens. It all comes together at once; the light bulb just turns on and there is no looking back.

 

I don't think Flacco's light bulb has switched on yet. If and when it does, he will be scary good...this guy at his very best is unstoppable. We have seen that from him many times...I think that is why some people are so frustrated and impatient with him. How can a guy destroy the best defenses in the game one week, then go and make Boller proud the next week against JAX?

 

And this is why I am so excited about Kubiak being here. We finally have a guy here who brings fresh ideas, new ways of doing things, someone who can help mask the defiecincies in the offense that has let Flacco down these past 6 years.

Just like with Brees....Brees had an amazing supporting cast in SD, but it wasn't until he went to NO and working with Peyton for a year that he became who he is today.

[ravensdfan]

There's no way that Flacco should be placed in the top tier after last season. Rivers and Roethlisberger both outplayed Flacco in 2013 and they cannot be ranked on the same level.

 

But Rivers has struggled for years. Now after one good year from him, and one bad year from Joe - he's higher? Ben's had his bad seasons as well, and has only one season where he even played 16 games. Not to mention, having been in the league what 6 years longer? 5 years? he's only hit that 4,000 mark 3 times I believe.

 

Nope sorry. If you're placing Rivers & Ben in that top tier - Flacco should be there as well.

[TDubbs]

I don't think Flacco's light bulb has switched on yet. If and when it does, he will be scary good...this guy at his very best is unstoppable. We have seen that from him many times...I think that is why some people are so frustrated and impatient with him. How can a guy destroy the best defenses in the game one week, then go and make Boller proud the next week against JAX?

 

Agreed w/ the entire post. However, this is the main thing. Flacco's 'light bulb' hasn't quite been turned on yet. The severe beating that he took both physically and mentally this season has to be the switch. His body took a pounding this year, and really the first time he's deal w/ some injuries. That had to have been the wake up call to show him he needs to improve the mental game.

[display name]

But Rivers has struggled for years. Now after one good year from him, and one bad year from Joe - he's higher? Ben's had his bad seasons as well, and has only one season where he even played 16 games. Not to mention, having been in the league what 6 years longer? 5 years? he's only hit that 4,000 mark 3 times I believe.

 

Nope sorry. If you're placing Rivers & Ben in that top tier - Flacco should be there as well.

Ben has played in all 16 games twice (2008 and 2013) and has hit the 4,000 mark 3 times since 2008, compared to zero times for Flacco. And despite his injury issues Ben has also thrown for more TDs than Joe for the last 3 seasons.

[PolishRifle]

Ben has played in all 16 games twice (2008 and 2013) and has hit the 4,000 mark 3 times since 2008, compared to zero times for Flacco. And despite his injury issues Ben has also thrown for more TDs than Joe for the last 3 seasons.

Ben plays in a different system. Even Drew Brees didn't top 4000 yards under Cam and that's with much more talent around him. Neither did Rivers in that one season he had with Cam. It's just always around 3600 yrds 20-25 TDs and around 10 INTs. Seems to me like the most you can get out of that system. When Joe posted 3 seasons like those in a row, Cam should've been booted instead of assuming, that we just needed more talent around Flacco or that Joe still needed to "mature". Still Harbs biggest failure as a HC.

 

Again. Can't really compare QBs, who play under different circumstances. Those couple yards and comp. percentage differences aren't that big of a deal, imho. I think Joe might be in the Big Ben, Rivers category right now. Great QBs, who can get you a SB (even if Rivers doesn't have proof of that), but still not as good as those future HoFers (Brady, Peyton and so on).

 

I think the jury is still out on Joe, just because this is the first time we freed him from Camerons chains...I mean playbook. Now, either he proves me wrong or he will indeed wow us with his performance. I stand by it: Joes 2014 will be similar (not identical) to Matt Schaubs 2009.

 

67,9% 4770 yrds 29 TDs 15 INT

[Guest RBates]

Sorry man, just cannot put Rivers, Wilson, Ben, Newton or Luck in the same category as four HOF quarterbacks.

 

Move them to Tier 2, and I think you're spot on

Fair enough.The title hall of famer is based on the body of work. I think these guys are as good as any future Hall of famer right now.  If they get the talent around them with the right system in place their skill set tops some of the quarterbacks that are future hall of famers. 

[BmoreBird22]

Fair enough.The title hall of famer is based on the body of work. I think these guys are as good as any future Hall of famer right now.  If they get the talent around them with the right system in place their skill set tops some of the quarterbacks that are future hall of famers.

Most starting quarterbacks in the league will succeed with the right talent around them and right system in place...

[display name]

Ben plays in a different system. Even Drew Brees didn't top 4000 yards under Cam and that's with much more talent around him. Neither did Rivers in that one season he had with Cam. It's just always around 3600 yrds 20-25 TDs and around 10 INTs. Seems to me like the most you can get out of that system. When Joe posted 3 seasons like those in a row, Cam should've been booted instead of assuming, that we just needed more talent around Flacco or that Joe still needed to "mature". Still Harbs biggest failure as a HC.

 

Again. Can't really compare QBs, who play under different circumstances. Those couple yards and comp. percentage differences aren't that big of a deal, imho. I think Joe might be in the Big Ben, Rivers category right now. Great QBs, who can get you a SB (even if Rivers doesn't have proof of that), but still not as good as those future HoFers (Brady, Peyton and so on).

 

I think the jury is still out on Joe, just because this is the first time we freed him from Camerons chains...I mean playbook. Now, either he proves me wrong or he will indeed wow us with his performance. I stand by it: Joes 2014 will be similar (not identical) to Matt Schaubs 2009.

 

67,9% 4770 yrds 29 TDs 15 INT

I agree that it took way too long for Cam to be fired, but I still think that the other QBs are slightly better talent-wise. This year, with a better coordinator, Flacco will hopefully prove me wrong.

[Guest RBates]

Really Wilson and Newton over Flacco? Care to explain?

Stats don't lie for the two and three years they have been in the league respectively.  They have accounted for more touchdowns than any two of Flacco's six years. (Yes i counted rushing Td's as well). Note; Russell Wilson doesn't even need his rushing Tds 

 

Russell Wilson is hands down better than Flacco in any stat except yards.

 

Cam's numbers are similar to Flacco's but he has a higher skill set.  If we factor in his mobility it wouldn't even be close.  

[Guest RBates]

Most starting quarterbacks in the league will succeed with the right talent around them and right system in place...

The guys i named will do well without it.  It's just that, to reach that next level they have to have those pieces.