The Flacco's Next Record To Break

[Guest RBates]

RG3 played like a complete wuss last year.   That Ngata move forever changed his perspective on running w/ his legs.  lol

I doubt it.  He is actually in the gym squatting like 400lbs.  You can you tube the video. A QB squatting 400!!!! ????Wow http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11175508

[1/28/01]

I doubt it. He is actually in the gym squatting like 400lbs. You can you tube the video. A QB squatting 400!!!! ????Wow http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11175508

Cool. We'll see if it translates on the field. Last year he looked scared to even be on a football field.

[ellicottraven]

Fly are we talking about Josh McCown?  He is actually alright if you watched him last year.I think his placement is spot on at around #24.   Cam is the only guy i'm scratching my head about.  RG3, Flacco, Ryan, should clearly not be in the top 10-12 Qb's in the league.  

 

Eli in my book is not even in the top 15!

Hey @RBates I am curious what your QB rankings are - would you mind giving us your ranking when you get a chance?

[flynismo]

We'll have to see about Bob 3 being mediocre....he's reportedly 100% healthy now and looking like he's back to pre-injury form.

[flynismo]

He was a product of the read option in his first year, and it showed badly in year two.

Only thing that was apparent last season was that he was playing hurt and the Skins made a conscious effort to reigning him in to keep him from aggravating his injuries. When he's healthy, he's Michael Vick that can actually throw from the pocket

[BmoreBird22]

Only thing that was apparent last season was that he was playing hurt and the Skins made a conscious effort to reigning him in to keep him from aggravating his injuries. When he's healthy, he's Michael Vick that can actually throw from the pocket

With the read option, he's got open receivers all the time. Teams were forced to have their linebackers creep up to defend the run, which in turn left the middle of the field open. Safeties also found themselves biting on that quite a bit, and it always left the middle of the field open and the deep field vulnerable. He almost always had an open guy on his first or second read.

Year two, teams don't have to respect the run as much and he's forced to work through his progressions, read the linebackers and safeties, etc. And it led to a lot of bad choices and forced throws. Kirk Cousins could have done that without trading the house away

[Tenacious Faulker]

Does Flacco have to "shatter" a record?  Because I really think that with Kubiak, The Smiths and the TE's he has a chance to break (NOT SHATTER) a more conventional passing record.  That might be single season passing yardage.  He's at the peak of his career in both physicality and experience.  It's hard to imagine given what he's shown to date, but I wouldn't be surprised if that happened.. 

[Tenacious Faulker]

Another record he could attain is a bit further off.  He's proven to be extremely durable.  Whatever is causing that he's defied the law of averages.  He could end up eventually passing Brett Favre's consecutive game record.  Joe is currently 8th with 96 consecutive starts on the all-time list, with just 2 active streaks ahead of him (Phillip Rivers 128 and Eli Manning 150 )Imagine as fans the bragging rights of Joe Flacco and Cal Ripkin as the Iron Men of their respective sports both representing Baltimore

[Guest RBates]

Hey @RBates I am curious what your QB rankings are - would you mind giving us your ranking when you get a chance?

Tier 1 

Aron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Big Ben,Cam Newton, Andrew Luck,

 

 

Tier 2 

RG3, Colin Kaepernick, Nick Foles, Flacco, Matt Ryan, Stafford, Andy Dalton, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Jay Cutler  with Flacco and Rg3  leading this tier.  

 

Before anyone comments how much of a stud Stafford or Matt Ryan is  i would just like to point out that they may have the best receiving core in the league and are still underachieving.

 

Flacco and Rg3 are doing it with just one legitimate receiver and a decent ground game.  

[hawkprey]

Another record he could attain is a bit further off.  He's proven to be extremely durable.  Whatever is causing that he's defied the law of averages.  He could end up eventually passing Brett Favre's consecutive game record.  Joe is currently 8th with 96 consecutive starts on the all-time list, with just 2 active streaks ahead of him (Phillip Rivers 128 and Eli Manning 150 )Imagine as fans the bragging rights of Joe Flacco and Cal Ripkin as the Iron Men of their respective sports both representing Baltimore

Unfortunately these days the QBs are too protected. QBs aren't getting hit enough to say "He hasn't missed a game - it's because he's durable". It could just be that he never had the right hit planted on him. 

[flynismo]

Tier 1 

Aron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Big Ben,Cam Newton, Andrew Luck,

 

 

Tier 2 

RG3, Colin Kaepernick, Nick Foles, Flacco, Matt Ryan, Stafford, Andy Dalton, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Jay Cutler  with Flacco and Rg3  leading this tier.  

 

Before anyone comments how much of a stud Stafford or Matt Ryan is  i would just like to point out that they may have the best receiving core in the league and are still underachieving.

 

Flacco and Rg3 are doing it with just one legitimate receiver and a decent ground game.  

 

Sorry man, just cannot put Rivers, Wilson, Ben, Newton or Luck in the same category as four HOF quarterbacks.

 

Move them to Tier 2, and I think you're spot on

[flynismo]

With the read option, he's got open receivers all the time.

 

The read option is meaningless without RG3's superior athleticism. Maybe there's more to being a QB than being able to run the ball, but the impact that his talents have on a defense is undeniable....it's because of him, not the read option, that defenses leave guys open...they view him as a bigger threat than the guys he is throwing the ball to.

[52520Andrew]

Does Flacco have to "shatter" a record? Because I really think that with Kubiak, The Smiths and the TE's he has a chance to break (NOT SHATTER) a more conventional passing record. That might be single season passing yardage. He's at the peak of his career in both physicality and experience. It's hard to imagine given what he's shown to date, but I wouldn't be surprised if that happened..

I would be happy to see Flacco hit 4,000 yards this year. Lets pump the brakes a bit on 5,000 yards let alone the record for most yards in a season.

[poescrows]

Sorry man, just cannot put Rivers, Wilson, Ben, Newton or Luck in the same category as four HOF quarterbacks.

 

Move them to Tier 2, and I think you're spot on

Agreed. Always thought Rivers was over rated. ...and Luck definitely doesn't belong on tier 1.

[ravensdan]

Sorry man, just cannot put Rivers, Wilson, Ben, Newton or Luck in the same category as four HOF quarterbacks.

Move them to Tier 2, and I think you're spot on

I would drop dalton and smith to a third tier as well. There are a ton of throws those guys don't even attempt. Luck might belong with the other 4 guys. He's that good.

[Tenacious Faulker]

I would be happy to see Flacco hit 4,000 yards this year. Lets pump the brakes a bit on 5,000 yards let alone the record for most yards in a season.

I'm not saying it's likely or hyping it, just that there may be something to hope for for the season.

[PolishRifle]

I would be happy to see Flacco hit 4,000 yards this year. Lets pump the brakes a bit on 5,000 yards let alone the record for most yards in a season.

 

Last year, Joe basically played without an OL, running game and with many receivers, who dropped the ball constantly in Cam's system AND he had a down year. He still threw it for 3912 yrds. Aren't 4000+ yrds basically expected at this point? 

Matt Schaub had 3 4000+ yrds seasons in his 7 years in Houston including a 4770 yrds season. I know, we don't exactly have a Andre Johnson on our team, but Joe is twice the QB Schaub is.

 

My bold predicition is, that Joe replicates Schaub's best season (maybe even slightly improves on that):

 

Comp: 396 Att: 583 Yrds: 4770 Pct: 67,9 TD: 29 INT: 15

 

I would say, Joe get fewer INTs a slightly worse completion percentage, but also way more yrds per attempt average, which will result in more yards passing. Yup, I'm still optimistic even after last season. Please don't let me down Joe. ^^ 

[1/28/01]

Last year, Joe basically played without an OL, running game and with many receivers, who dropped the ball constantly in Cam's system AND he had a down year. He still threw it for 3912 yrds. Aren't 4000+ yrds basically expected at this point?

Matt Schaub had 3 4000+ yrds seasons in his 7 years in Houston including a 4770 yrds season. I know, we don't exactly have a Andre Johnson on our team, but Joe is twice the QB Schaub is.

My bold predicition is, that Joe replicates Schaub's best season (maybe even slightly improves on that):

Comp: 396 Att: 583 Yrds: 4770 Pct: 67,9 TD: 29 INT: 15

I would say, Joe get fewer INTs a slightly worse completion percentage, but also way more yrds per attempt average, which will result in more yards passing. Yup, I'm still optimistic even after last season. Please don't let me down Joe. ^^

68% completion percentage would be nasty for Joe. I think with his occasional lapse in judgement and also going deep so often, he hovers around 60% his entire career. Not saying thats a bad thing, just dont see 68%. Would LOVE it, though!

[PolishRifle]

68% completion percentage would be nasty for Joe. I think with his occasional lapse in judgement and also going deep so often, he hovers around 60% his entire career. Not saying thats a bad thing, just dont see 68%. Would LOVE it, though!

 

Like I said, I expect Flacco's completion percentage to be slightly worse, because I believe Kubiak will go downfield way more often with Joe than with Schaub and because gunslinging is part of Joe's game (also, having Andre Johnson to throw the ball to will help anyone's comp. percentage). Still, Joe was hovering around 60% in an Air Coryell system, that rarely asked him to complete short passes. That's going to change in the WCO. I would say around 64% (68% would just be an unexpected high mark and I believe at that point Joe would actually get pretty darn close to the 5K passing yard mark).

 

Gosh, I'm so excited about this offense. I can't wait till pre-season starts.

[1/28/01]

Like I said, I expect Flacco's completion percentage to be slightly worse, because I believe Kubiak will go downfield way more often with Joe than with Schaub and because gunslinging is part of Joe's game (also, having Andre Johnson to throw the ball to will help anyone's comp. percentage). Still, Joe was hovering around 60% in an Air Coryell system, that rarely asked him to complete short passes. That's going to change in the WCO. I would say around 64% (68% would just be an unexpected high mark and I believe at that point Joe would actually get pretty darn close to the 5K passing yard mark).

Gosh, I'm so excited about this offense. I can't wait till pre-season starts.

Sorry, thought those were your predicted 2014 #'s for Flacco, not realizing they were actually Schaub's best year numbers.

[ellicottraven]

Tier 1 

Aron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Big Ben,Cam Newton, Andrew Luck,

 

 

Tier 2 

RG3, Colin Kaepernick, Nick Foles, Flacco, Matt Ryan, Stafford, Andy Dalton, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Jay Cutler  with Flacco and Rg3  leading this tier.  

 

Before anyone comments how much of a stud Stafford or Matt Ryan is  i would just like to point out that they may have the best receiving core in the league and are still underachieving.

 

Flacco and Rg3 are doing it with just one legitimate receiver and a decent ground game.  

Really Wilson and Newton over Flacco? Care to explain?

[The Raven]

Tier 1 

Aron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Big Ben,Cam Newton, Andrew Luck,

 

 

Tier 2 

RG3, Colin Kaepernick, Nick Foles, Flacco, Matt Ryan, Stafford, Andy Dalton, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Jay Cutler  with Flacco and Rg3  leading this tier.  

 

Before anyone comments how much of a stud Stafford or Matt Ryan is  i would just like to point out that they may have the best receiving core in the league and are still underachieving.

 

Flacco and Rg3 are doing it with just one legitimate receiver and a decent ground game.  

 

Those rankings are pretty fair, but I definitely wouldn't put Russell Wilson in the top tier. I also think that if Phillip Rivers and Big Ben are in tier one, Flacco should be too. Still pretty fair overall. 

[display name]

 I also think that if Phillip Rivers and Big Ben are in tier one, Flacco should be too.

There's no way that Flacco should be placed in the top tier after last season. Rivers and Roethlisberger both outplayed Flacco in 2013 and they cannot be ranked on the same level.

[The Raven]

There's no way that Flacco should be placed in the top tier after last season. Rivers and Roethlisberger both outplayed Flacco in 2013 and they cannot be ranked on the same level.

 

Well, I'm looking at career achievements and overall ability, not necessarily statistics.

[Tank 92]

The Flacco may not be top tier(yet), but he is without doubt at the top of the 2nd tier, just above tommy.

[1/28/01]

The Flacco may not be top tier(yet), but he is without doubt at the top of the 2nd tier, just above tommy.

Just above Tom? Brady? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I am one that things Brady is overrated and his success early in his career was due to BB, defense, run game and then him...in that order. BUT Flacco is not better than Brady.

[display name]

Well, I'm looking at career achievements and overall ability, not necessarily statistics.

I guess that makes some sense, but Rivers has still been significantly better than Flacco overall. But if this is what we're looking at, I'll give it too you, barely.

[TDubbs]

Just above Tom? Brady? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I am one that things Brady is overrated and his success early in his career was due to BB, defense, run game and then him...in that order. BUT Flacco is not better than Brady.

 

I'am the biggest Flacco supporter out there .. But above Tommy?! LMAO, has to be a joke. I agree w/ your points about BB and that Pats defense contributing to his success as well (he would have 1 ring without that combination).  

[hawkprey]

Just above Tom? Brady? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I am one that things Brady is overrated and his success early in his career was due to BB, defense, run game and then him...in that order. BUT Flacco is not better than Brady.

Just curious - what would it take this season for you to say Flacco is better than Brady (assume Brady is his normal self), or Rodgers or whoever? 

[TDubbs]

Just curious - what would it take this season for you to say Flacco is better than Brady (assume Brady is his normal self), or Rodgers or whoever? 

It's a consistent level of play at the QB position that makes those top guys excellent. Year after year they put up great statistics, wins and playoff appearances. Flacco has had similar achievements in small sample sizes (mainly playoffs) ... Which is what leaves every fan wanting more of what is possible for him to give us. It's not a single season deal, it's a level of play that is proven over multiple season of excellence.