Do the Ravens utilize gadget plays enough?

[display name]

We use a good amount of "trick" plays on special teams with which we are highly successful. Bringing in a subpar QB in place of your starter for any reason besides injury is never the mark of a winning team in the pros. Manufactured offense is for desperation.

Do you mean Tyrod? That scheme had some positive results last season. I wouldn't mind putting in Tyrod for a few trick plays this season. In week 10 we caught the Bengals completely off guard, and Taylor gained 18 yards on one play. A couple weeks later against the Jets, we experienced success, until they started to figure out what was going on.

Bring it out once in a while and it will work.

[Malkavian Raven]

All my favorite gadget plays in one place....

 

<----- K-Dog Posted It First.  All Hail K-Dog! ----->

 

I agree with most of the posters though, we need to just have a good consistent offense than a flashy one.  If you want to do gadget plays, let them be on special teams because that is where we've had the most success as seen in the video.

 

Koch and Ayanbadejo... those were the days.

[jaege]

thats true but even as a player if you dont like it , you should put the team first and not your personell reference.

 

at least that is  how i see.

 

if the coaches think ngata would be a better blocker in the run game on the 1 yard line then any of our TE, i would be really dishearted if ngata lines up and then just stand and let the defender get in the backfield because he feels he should not be out there blocking .

 

im pretty sure everyone here would feel the same if any player shows this mentality and it kind of suprise me that many are giving the guy that signed the richest deal in ravens history a pass lol.

 

 

Because he has the richest contract in Ravens history, we don't want to let him get hurt doing something he is not supposed to be doing. His paycheck is to play a specific position.

 

 

As far as trick plays, I am a fan of them occasionally. But if overused they are no longer tricky. Personally I like the fake punts/FGs.

[ravensnick]

Because he has the richest contract in Ravens history, we don't want to let him get hurt doing something he is not supposed to be doing. His paycheck is to play a specific position.

 

 

As far as trick plays, I am a fan of them occasionally. But if overused they are no longer tricky. Personally I like the fake punts/FGs.

We excel at fake field goal, they are always fun.

[K-Dog]

All my favorite gadget plays in one place....

 

 

 

I agree with most of the posters though, we need to just have a good consistent offense than a flashy one.  If you want to do gadget plays, let them be on special teams because that is where we've had the most success as seen in the video.

 

Koch and Ayanbadejo... those were the days.

 

 

I just posted that exact video like five posts ago.

Like one page away.

[Malkavian Raven]

I just posted that exact video like five posts ago.

Like one page away.

 

Yeah, but my posting of it far exceeded your posting of it.

 

Great minds, K.  Great minds.

 

I read the first couple of pages, then just skipped to the end.  Sorry aboot dat!

[Inqui]

I love a good trick play when it adds a wrinkle to a team's offence. Doesn't have to be a habitual thing (ideally it wouldn't), but the BCS game this past season is a prime example of what one gadget play can do. FSU's offence was up to [you know what]s and one fake punt got them a critical first down they were able to extend the drive off, which in turn led to a TD that gave them new life.

 

The two wildcat plays we used against the Jets were another good example of when it works. We had the worst rushing game and faced the best rushing defence, but managed to eke out a couple of solid plays because of Tyrod and what he offers. The Jets got wise pretty quickly, but those first downs we got initially were pretty useful.

 

So yeah, I'm all for using the odd gadget play to keep the defence honest and spring the occasional first down in an unexpected way. But the balance is to not do it too many times and essentially waste plays.

[52520Andrew]

Yeah it really depends on the situation. New Orleans Saints fans won't complain about a certain onside kick either at the start of the second half.

[Tru11]

Because he has the richest contract in Ravens history, we don't want to let him get hurt doing something he is not supposed to be doing. His paycheck is to play a specific position.

 

 

As far as trick plays, I am a fan of them occasionally. But if overused they are no longer tricky. Personally I like the fake punts/FGs.

 

who is we?

 

pretty sure the coaches considerd a  possible injury when they came up with the play and for some reason they still decided to run it more then 1 time.

 

are you going to make this same excuus when other players are going to use this same attitude to refuse to do something because it isent what are being paid to do lol.

 

im going to laugh when tucker just stands there and let a returer run past him for a TD and he explains it by saying he is paid to kick and dont want to risk an injury lol.

[davy_861]

The thing about gadget plays is if they don't succeed, you look stupid.

I agree, but what do you think of this quote. "People who break through, they don't give a damn about being embarrassed"-- Charlie Rose

[Mt. Crushmore]

I agree, but what do you think of this quote. "People who break through, they don't give a damn about being embarrassed"-- Charlie Rose

 

I don't mind utilizing a trick play every once in awhile.  I was just pointing that they can fail quite badly.

[K-Dog]

<----- K-Dog Posted It First.  All Hail K-Dog! ----->

Awww now you didnt have to go and do all that.

You were just making sure I got my point across right ?

Team work.

[jaege]

who is we?

 

pretty sure the coaches considerd a  possible injury when they came up with the play and for some reason they still decided to run it more then 1 time.

 

are you going to make this same excuus when other players are going to use this same attitude to refuse to do something because it isent what are being paid to do lol.

 

im going to laugh when tucker just stands there and let a returer run past him for a TD and he explains it by saying he is paid to kick and dont want to risk an injury lol.

 

 

We would be "we" the fans, although I will concede that it is incorrect of me to assume that all Ravens fans would agree, that they do not want Flacco to get hurt. There may be some who want to see him ride the bench. I guess.

 

Its hardly an excuse. As you said, he is the highest paid player on the team. Also his position is exponentially more important than any other on the team and he has the least depth as far as back-up goes. While Tucker is a great kicker, his pay is far lower and his loss would be far less consequential to the team, although his level of competence at his position would be very hard to replace. Most other positions have some sort of decent back-up and/or depth.

 

And Joe did not "refuse" to do anything. He did as he was told. He just didn't like it. I cannot blame him. I would be annoyed if my boss expected me to muck out horse stables just because the company was paying me. Its not the job I was hired to do, nor is it the career path I chose. I would assume that Joe's contract spells out that he is the QB, not a WR.

 

Oh and Tucker has already proven that he is more than happy to attempt to tackle a returner.

 

But if you find any play that is detrimental to the Ravens success as humorous, I am sure that the Steelers would be happy to make room for you on their bandwagon.

[Tru11]

We would be "we" the fans, although I will concede that it is incorrect of me to assume that all Ravens fans would agree, that they do not want Flacco to get hurt. There may be some who want to see him ride the bench. I guess.

 

Its hardly an excuse. As you said, he is the highest paid player on the team. Also his position is exponentially more important than any other on the team and he has the least depth as far as back-up goes. While Tucker is a great kicker, his pay is far lower and his loss would be far less consequential to the team, although his level of competence at his position would be very hard to replace. Most other positions have some sort of decent back-up and/or depth.

 

And Joe did not "refuse" to do anything. He did as he was told. He just didn't like it. I cannot blame him. I would be annoyed if my boss expected me to muck out horse stables just because the company was paying me. Its not the job I was hired to do, nor is it the career path I chose. I would assume that Joe's contract spells out that he is the QB, not a WR.

 

Oh and Tucker has already proven that he is more than happy to attempt to tackle a returner.

 

But if you find any play that is detrimental to the Ravens success as humorous, I am sure that the Steelers would be happy to make room for you on their bandwagon.

 

 

on that gadget play he lined up as a WR and all he was ask to do is run in a straight line up the field to take 1 defender and perhaps a safety away.

 

he wasent asked to run block , nor was he ask to run at full speed , nor was he asked to run a route over the middle to catch a ball.

 

he was asked to sell a play as if he was a credible target.

he wasent asked to throw his body around lol

 

 

there was no risk for any injury involved.

 

he had a higher chance getting injured staying in the pocket to throw behind that o-line.......

 

bottom line he refused to put in any effort to sell the play because he put himself before the team.

 

im looking foward to seeing you explain how flacco lining up at WR away from the play brings more risk to him being injured then standing in the pocket behind that leaky o-line lol

 

also the only reason the ravens start using those plays was because they where not succesfull running conventional plays in the first place......

if they where succesfull they would not have used them lol.

 

maybe you should get off the flacco bandwagon and get on the ravens bandwagon.

 

no player should place himself above the team and that is what flacco did when he refused to do what the coaches ask him to do and when he made his displeasure public.

[MrPlankton]

on that gadget play he lined up as a WR and all he was ask to do is run in a straight line up the field to take 1 defender and perhaps a safety away.

 

he wasent asked to run block , nor was he ask to run at full speed , nor was he asked to run a route over the middle to catch a ball.

 

he was asked to sell a play as if he was a credible target.

he wasent asked to throw his body around lol

 

 

there was no risk for any injury involved.

 

he had a higher chance getting injured staying in the pocket to throw behind that o-line.......

 

bottom line he refused to put in any effort to sell the play because he put himself before the team.

 

im looking foward to seeing you explain how flacco lining up at WR away from the play brings more risk to him being injured then standing in the pocket behind that leaky o-line lol

 

also the only reason the ravens start using those plays was because they where not succesfull running conventional plays in the first place......

if they where succesfull they would not have used them lol.

 

maybe you should get off the flacco bandwagon and get on the ravens bandwagon.

 

no player should place himself above the team and that is what flacco did when he refused to do what the coaches ask him to do and when he made his displeasure public.

[PurpleCityLights]

A good offense doesn't need gadgets.

Correct.

[beanfigger]

on that gadget play he lined up as a WR and all he was ask to do is run in a straight line up the field to take 1 defender and perhaps a safety away.

he wasent asked to run block , nor was he ask to run at full speed , nor was he asked to run a route over the middle to catch a ball.

he was asked to sell a play as if he was a credible target.

he wasent asked to throw his body around lol

there was no risk for any injury involved.

he had a higher chance getting injured staying in the pocket to throw behind that o-line.......

bottom line he refused to put in any effort to sell the play because he put himself before the team.

im looking foward to seeing you explain how flacco lining up at WR away from the play brings more risk to him being injured then standing in the pocket behind that leaky o-line lol

also the only reason the ravens start using those plays was because they where not succesfull running conventional plays in the first place......

if they where succesfull they would not have used them lol.

maybe you should get off the flacco bandwagon and get on the ravens bandwagon.

no player should place himself above the team and that is what flacco did when he refused to do what the coaches ask him to do and when he made his displeasure public.

This is still being complained about? Did you watch the defender, or just Flacco? The defender lines up on him, away from the play, and watched him. He even looked as though he was afraid of it being a hitch route or possible double pass play. Therefore, Flacco did take that guy out of the play, and it doesn't matter how far the field he would have run to do it. The plays where he lined up outside went the other way, and they netted about a yard and a half total. There was no reason for Joe to do more than line up and look as though he might run a route. The plays were a joke, the coaches knew it, and nobody cared, except you and maybe another fan or two that hate our QB and look at any chance to make up a reason to complain. He put the team first when he went out and won the game, as an actual QB.

[flynismo]

on that gadget play he lined up as a WR and all he was ask to do is run in a straight line up the field to take 1 defender and perhaps a safety away.

he wasent asked to run block , nor was he ask to run at full speed , nor was he asked to run a route over the middle to catch a ball.

he was asked to sell a play as if he was a credible target.

he wasent asked to throw his body around lol

there was no risk for any injury involved.

he had a higher chance getting injured staying in the pocket to throw behind that o-line.......

bottom line he refused to put in any effort to sell the play because he put himself before the team.

im looking foward to seeing you explain how flacco lining up at WR away from the play brings more risk to him being injured then standing in the pocket behind that leaky o-line lol

also the only reason the ravens start using those plays was because they where not succesfull running conventional plays in the first place......

if they where succesfull they would not have used them lol.

maybe you should get off the flacco bandwagon and get on the ravens bandwagon.

no player should place himself above the team and that is what flacco did when he refused to do what the coaches ask him to do and when he made his displeasure public.

I don't know if you were joking or not, but you actually made a great point. My whole concern is getting our QB killed because of some stupid trick play. But as you said, he is probably SAFER out there as a WR than he would be playing behind that OL.

[flynismo]

I agree, but what do you think of this quote. "People who break through, they don't give a damn about being embarrassed"-- Charlie Rose

That is something everyone should keep in mind. When you stop giving a crap about negativity, it opens up a whole new world you never knew existed.

[The Raven]

on that gadget play he lined up as a WR and all he was ask to do is run in a straight line up the field to take 1 defender and perhaps a safety away.

 

he wasent asked to run block , nor was he ask to run at full speed , nor was he asked to run a route over the middle to catch a ball.

 

he was asked to sell a play as if he was a credible target.

he wasent asked to throw his body around lol

 

 

there was no risk for any injury involved.

 

he had a higher chance getting injured staying in the pocket to throw behind that o-line.......

 

bottom line he refused to put in any effort to sell the play because he put himself before the team.

 

im looking foward to seeing you explain how flacco lining up at WR away from the play brings more risk to him being injured then standing in the pocket behind that leaky o-line lol

 

also the only reason the ravens start using those plays was because they where not succesfull running conventional plays in the first place......

if they where succesfull they would not have used them lol.

 

maybe you should get off the flacco bandwagon and get on the ravens bandwagon.

 

no player should place himself above the team and that is what flacco did when he refused to do what the coaches ask him to do and when he made his displeasure public.

 

Maybe you should have actually listened to the questions Joe was asked and how he answered. A reporter asked him what the coaches assigned him to do on that play. He said he's not doing anything on that play. C'mon man. The coaches told him not to do anything.

[PurpleCityLights]

Funny thing is people really think the coaches told Flacco to do nothing, like as if it was a pre-season game lmao!!

[flynismo]

Maybe you should have actually listened to the questions Joe was asked and how he answered. A reporter asked him what the coaches assigned him to do on that play. He said he's not doing anything on that play. C'mon man. The coaches told him not to do anything.

Now that you mention it, I remember that. Flacco can't win with the fans no matter what he does.

[The Mom Gene]

Now that you mention it, I remember that. Flacco can't win with the fans no matter what he does.

Haters gonna hate Fly!

[flynismo]

Funny thing is people really think the coaches told Flacco to do nothing, like as if it was a pre-season game lmao!!

Funny thing is, you essentially are calling Flacco a liar, when you have zero proof

[cursona pirate]

Funny thing is people really think the coaches told Flacco to do nothing, like as if it was a pre-season game lmao!!

Who? What people?

[flynismo]

Haters gonna hate Fly!

I just wish the fans of his own team would support him. I expect the rabble from PITT to spout nonsense about Flacco, they are obligated to.

[beanfigger]

I just wish the fans of his own team would support him. I expect the rabble from PITT to spout nonsense about Flacco, they are obligated to.

He actually seems to get more respect on other teams' boards for some reason.

[flynismo]

He actually seems to get more respect on other teams' boards for some reason.

That's no surprise, just like we wish we had Peterson or Megatron, they look at their QB and appreciate what other teams have.

[berad]

Flex looks pretty fit in this picture from Jaworski's golf event...
 


Looks better than Vick, could probably run a 9 route faster than Torrey. Let's call him WeaponFleX!

[jaege]

on that gadget play he lined up as a WR and all he was ask to do is run in a straight line up the field to take 1 defender and perhaps a safety away.

 

he wasent asked to run block , nor was he ask to run at full speed , nor was he asked to run a route over the middle to catch a ball.

 

he was asked to sell a play as if he was a credible target.

he wasent asked to throw his body around lol

 

 

there was no risk for any injury involved.

 

he had a higher chance getting injured staying in the pocket to throw behind that o-line.......

 

bottom line he refused to put in any effort to sell the play because he put himself before the team.

 

im looking foward to seeing you explain how flacco lining up at WR away from the play brings more risk to him being injured then standing in the pocket behind that leaky o-line lol

 

also the only reason the ravens start using those plays was because they where not succesfull running conventional plays in the first place......

if they where succesfull they would not have used them lol.

 

maybe you should get off the flacco bandwagon and get on the ravens bandwagon.

 

no player should place himself above the team and that is what flacco did when he refused to do what the coaches ask him to do and when he made his displeasure public.

 

 

I think my fellow posters have sufficiently answered this question so I see no need to pile on.

 

As to the bandwagon issue, I never said that I would laugh if the Ravens failed in some way while Joe padded his stats. You DID say you would laugh if the another team scored while Tucker stood by and did nothing. Doesn't sound like much of a Ravens fan to me. Or maybe you dislike Joe more than you like the Ravens? Or perhaps I am mis-remembering your post somehow?

 

 And, not to make too fine a point, but I am not on any bandwagon. I am a Ravens fan, and thereby a fan of every player on the Ravens. Bandwagon indicates someone who joined in the good times and has no memory of the bad.