Do the Ravens utilize gadget plays enough?

[Tiz]

Not a fan of gadget for the sake of doing it.

Think most got sick of the predictability of stallworth on an end around every time he came in.

Ftr the only gadget I've been okay with is our occasional fake fg/pat

[flynismo]

It was Troy smith. Tyrod wasn't a pro then

They're not the same person? Learn something new everyday

[flynismo]

Sorry, don't take things so personal, I have a dry sense of humor and frankly don't understand where your coming from

You're new here, and some comments made me believe you were being 'not nice'. My apologies if I took things the wrong way.

[davy_861]

Thanks for the insult.

Sorry to you too Bruce_Almty--the apology extends to everyone else I offended. We are getting to sensitive and emotional as a society. Can't even say the G word anymore. Have a nice Saturday ladies and gentlemen.

[davy_861]

You're new here, and some comments made me believe you were being 'not nice'. My apologies if I took things the wrong way.

No worries . It's all good. GO RAVENS

[HoldingCall]

A good offense doesn't need gadgets.

Denver had the best offense last year but could have used a few gadget plays against that defense during the Super Bowl. I believe teams should have all options available if/when needed and I don't mean just the Wildcat. 

[Mt. Crushmore]

The thing about gadget plays is if they don't succeed, you look stupid.

[hn68wb4]

I wouldn't mind seeing some gadget plays used. Obviously, it has to be the right situation to call a gadget play, but that is one thing I've always wanted to see more out of the Ravens. One play that comes to mind is in a goal-line situation, load up with blockers and Crocket Gilmore. Pitch/handoff to the strong side and have Gilmore leave his block after a second or two and run into the end zone for a HB Pass. I think something small like that could possibly work once or maybe twice. 

 

This is a perfect example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW6_SJJfjCU

Rice is left handed?

[Tru11]

I don't think using guys in a manner out of their element helps the team; if Ngata can play TE, great, but that doesn't mean we should expect Flacco to run routes.

 

thats true but even as a player if you dont like it , you should put the team first and not your personell reference.

 

at least that is  how i see.

 

if the coaches think ngata would be a better blocker in the run game on the 1 yard line then any of our TE, i would be really dishearted if ngata lines up and then just stand and let the defender get in the backfield because he feels he should not be out there blocking .

 

im pretty sure everyone here would feel the same if any player shows this mentality and it kind of suprise me that many are giving the guy that signed the richest deal in ravens history a pass lol.

[flynismo]

thats true but even as a player if you dont like it , you should put the team first and not your personell reference.

 

at least that is  how i see.

 

if the coaches think ngata would be a better blocker in the run game on the 1 yard line then any of our TE, i would be really dishearted if ngata lines up and then just stand and let the defender get in the backfield because he feels he should not be out there blocking .

 

im pretty sure everyone here would feel the same if any player shows this mentality and it kind of suprise me that many are giving the guy that signed the richest deal in ravens history a pass lol.

I understand that, and even partially agree. Only reason I don't fully agree is because it's the QB we're talking about here; if Ngata goes down, then that would suck, but we have the depth to replace him adequately. If Flacco goes down because someone thought it's a good idea to put him in the line of fire, well, our season is over

[The Raven]

 

I don't like like gadget plays. End arounds and the like have too much risk for me. I think we use them enough.

[display name]

I think that the offense this year was slightly more creative than the one under Cameron. I really liked when we brought in Tyrod Taylor, and Flacco complaining should not deter the coaching staff from making decisions for the good of the team.

[The Mom Gene]

Flacco running routes huh. Can you even identify gadget players. I asked that question. I didn't mention anything about hurting big JOE or putting NGATA at TE. Were the Cowboys afraid to put DEION SANDERS at WR?

Putting Deion out there was a little different.  He was used to playing out there.  It was his job back there in the secondary playing the ball... Corner or WR...  Same difference.

[K-Dog]

Okay the Sam Koch touch down was epic.

[PolishRifle]

Usually a good game plan is all you need (atleast on a team, that knows what it's doing). Gadget plays are more a sign of desperation, when the team doesn't know how to generate offense anymore (like last season for example). 

[Tru11]

I understand that, and even partially agree. Only reason I don't fully agree is because it's the QB we're talking about here; if Ngata goes down, then that would suck, but we have the depth to replace him adequately. If Flacco goes down because someone thought it's a good idea to put him in the line of fire, well, our season is over

 

i think you are seriously underestamating  ngata though.

he might not be what he once was but  withouth him our linebackers would never be able to make plays.

 

just watch the sb for instance.

 

once he got injured the whole scheme changed and they ran all over us.

 

he is actually stopping oliners from getting to daryl smith.

 

though QB will always be most important position.

[flynismo]

i think you are seriously underestamating  ngata though.

he might not be what he once was but  withouth him our linebackers would never be able to make plays.

 

just watch the sb for instance.

 

once he got injured the whole scheme changed and they ran all over us.

 

he is actually stopping oliners from getting to daryl smith.

 

though QB will always be most important position.

 

Yep, I should clarify that when I said 'adequately', I didn't mean anyone else can do what he does, I just meant that the guy(s) who replace him will be decent players. Would be different than going from Flacco to Tyrod/Wenning at QB.

Then again, that may be presumptuous, because I believe that B Williams and Jernigan are going to be very good players, despite neither of them having done anything yet to validate that opinion.

[flynismo]

Usually a good game plan is all you need (atleast on a team, that knows what it's doing). Gadget plays are more a sign of desperation, when the team doesn't know how to generate offense anymore (like last season for example). 

Not at all! Remember back in the day when LT was the man over in SD? Their offense was top 5 every year, and they'd still have LT throwing TDs.

But that's more the exception than the rule....the craziest things the best offenses do (other than SD) is the occasional flea flicker or the WR reverse. None of this line your $100M QB up is the slot, direct snap to the RB who does a quadruple reverse with a WR who then does a flea flicker to the QB who then pitches it back to the RB

[The Raven]

Not at all! Remember back in the day when LT was the man over in SD? Their offense was top 5 every year, and they'd still have LT throwing TDs.

But that's more the exception than the rule....the craziest things the best offenses do (other than SD) is the occasional flea flicker or the WR reverse. None of this line your $100M QB up is the slot, direct snap to the RB who does a quadruple reverse with a WR who then does a flea flicker to the QB who then pitches it back to the RB

 

I wouldn't mind seeing more direct snaps to the RB though. The top offenses make good use of that trick, though I don't know if it really classifies as a gadget play. 

[The Mom Gene]

Rice is left handed?

Yup!

[Tank 92]

Not at all! Remember back in the day when LT was the man over in SD? Their offense was top 5 every year, and they'd still have LT throwing TDs.

But that's more the exception than the rule....the craziest things the best offenses do (other than SD) is the occasional flea flicker or the WR reverse. None of this line your $100M QB up is the slot, direct snap to the RB who does a quadruple reverse with a WR who then does a flea flicker to the QB who then pitches it back to the RB

 

 

bingo.  Gadget plays are OK to throw in every once in a while, but the plays that have been spawned by the gimmicky wildcat have no place in the Ravens offense. The QB belongs behind center and a trick play works better out of a "normal" formation anyway. 

[bpytnjr58]

What is a Gadget Play?      Cam Cameron

[Inqui]

What is a Gadget Play?      Cam Cameron

For Cam a gadget play was running a post route instead of a 9.

[beanfigger]

For Cam a gadget play was running a post route instead of a 9.

Skinny post, though. Don't get too crazy.

[CptJesus]

Funny how everyone forgets http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Troy-Smith-to-Joe-Flacco/B8E91A6B-765A-4F55-B733-6FCF7753CE73

[flynismo]

Funny how everyone forgets http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Troy-Smith-to-Joe-Flacco/B8E91A6B-765A-4F55-B733-6FCF7753CE73

We just talked about that on the previous page

[K-Dog]

trying to find the Sam Koch TD ( which I forgot was against the steelers ) I found a collection of trick plays some one posted.

Sadly many in this video did not work but some did.

Interestingly enough the ones that worked, most of the time the Ravens were ahead significantly.

[ravensnick]

I don't like gadget plays personally.They also need gadget player, who aren't useful for much else. We Old school here, run to set up the Play Action pass. i guess Suggs could be a "gagdet player" has he is a dual DE/OLB and there ain't many of those in the league.

[K-Dog]

Not a trick play but this is beautiful....

[ravensdan]

We use a good amount of "trick" plays on special teams with which we are highly successful. Bringing in a subpar QB in place of your starter for any reason besides injury is never the mark of a winning team in the pros. Manufactured offense is for desperation.