2014 Ravens Depth Chart (PFF Grades)

[tolucaraven]

They got Gradkowski right though.

[H8R]

Doom was a significantly better pass rusher last year.

For maybe 6 games... And Suggs was a better run stopper , not as good as previous years... But still better than Doom.

[Tru11]

suggs had 10 sacks Doom had 9.5.

 

suggs is a complete OLB , Doom is a situational pass rusher.

 

sure this all makes sense lol.

[Inqui]

Good for Morgan Cox.

I want to know what the difference is between a "good starter" at long snapper and an "elite" long snapper.

[gabefergy]

suggs had 10 sacks Doom had 9.5.

suggs is a complete OLB , Doom is a situational pass rusher.

sure this all makes sense lol.

It's not all about sacks.

[flynismo]

Discuss? About what I expected to be honest, a lot of average-great quality, we just need the coaching to put it all together.

Edit: Also for those wondering why we had a defensive heavy draft, the bold are the players above 30, offense has 2 (Smith Sr, Daniels) while defense has 5 all in the front 7.

This is the rubbish I have come to expect from PFF. Flacco, Rice, Daryl Smith and Jimmy Smith are average starters? Dumervil better than Suggs? Ok

[flynismo]

suggs had 10 sacks Doom had 9.5.

suggs is a complete OLB , Doom is a situational pass rusher.

sure this all makes sense lol.

it's a freaking joke

[gabefergy]

it's a freaking joke

Not really

 

Dumervil - 9.5 sacks, 11 hits, 40 hurries in 319 pass-rush snaps.

 

Suggs - 10 sacks, 14 hits, 37 hurries in 480 pass-rush snaps.

 

 

I don't think I need explain the difference.

[BmoreBird22]

Not really

 

Dumervil - 9.5 sacks, 11 hits, 40 hurries in 319 pass-rush snaps.

 

Suggs - 10 sacks, 14 hits, 37 hurries in 480 pass-rush snaps.

 

 

I don't think I need explain the difference.

Part of the reason I like PFF- because it gives you the snaps. Wasn't Dumervil number one in pass rushing productivity?

[gabefergy]

Part of the reason I like PFF- because it gives you the snaps. Wasn't Dumervil number one in pass rushing productivity?

He was for much of the year, but he ended up just behind Jerry Hughes at #2 at 15.1%. That's still an extremely good number. 

 

Suggs was 10.1%, good but that is a pretty large discrepancy.

[flynismo]

Not really

Dumervil - 9.5 sacks, 11 hits, 40 hurries in 319 pass-rush snaps.

Suggs - 10 sacks, 14 hits, 37 hurries in 480 pass-rush snaps.

I don't think I need explain the difference.

ah, they're going off just last year, I didn't realize that.

Still, what about run defense? They presumably factored that and coverage in as well

[flynismo]

So wait, if they are just going off last year, how the heck is Flacco and Rice average? That's being awfully generous. Daryl and Jimmy being average is pretty insulting as well.

It did open my eyes regarding Dumervil though. He dropped off badly, but he was even better earlier than I remember him being.

not sure how I feel about Yanda being 'high quality' either. He had an awful lot of bleh performances for my tastes, to consider him the best player on the team

[gabefergy]

So wait, if they are just going off last year, how the heck is Flacco and Rice average? That's being awfully generous. Daryl and Jimmy being average is pretty insulting as well

That's a good question if it is just off of last year  because it doesnt seem to be consistent. Suggs would clearly be rated higher if it was more of a career thing, but for Flacco and Rice they must be taking some previous years into consideration as Rice was absolutely dreadful by any measure in 2013. Flacco was pretty underwhelming last year as well. 

[BmoreBird22]

That's a good question if it is just off of last year  because it doesnt seem to be consistent. Suggs would clearly be rated higher if it was more of a career thing, but for Flacco and Rice they must be taking some previous years into consideration as Rice was absolutely dreadful by any measure in 2013. Flacco was pretty underwhelming last year as well.

Maybe they understand that Oher, Gino, and AQ weren't making life easy and working without good weapons made it even more difficult

[52520Andrew]

Maybe they understand that Oher, Gino, and AQ weren't making life easy and working without good weapons made it even more difficult

 

That would be my guess but Jimmy Smith is better than average still.

[flynismo]

Maybe they understand that Oher, Gino, and AQ weren't making life easy and working without good weapons made it even more difficult

Even then, Rice was pretty bad last year.

Maybe Flacco got 'average' because it's nearly impossible to really assess a QB under the conditions he was under, that's about the only thing that makes sense to me..

[beanfigger]

Even then, Rice was pretty bad last year.

Maybe Flacco got 'average' because it's nearly impossible to really assess a QB under the conditions he was under, that's about the only thing that makes sense to me..

The only thing I could think of is if they weighted performance at the end of games more. That seemed to be when Flacco made most of his best throws, and it certainly was where a high percentage of his TDs came from.

[BmoreBird22]

That would be my guess but Jimmy Smith is better than average still.

Jimmy was far from average

[52520Andrew]

Jimmy was far from average

 

Yeah that average grade makes no sense to me either. I thought he was at least solid if not high quality

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah that average grade makes no sense to me either. I thought he was at least solid if not high quality

He had a rough final two weeks (as did the entire team), two so so weeks, and 12 stellar weeks, but you cannot ignore what he did against the game's best

[52520Andrew]

He had a rough final two weeks (as did the entire team), two so so weeks, and 12 stellar weeks, but you cannot ignore what he did against the game's best

 

Yeah he did well against a lot of really good WRs. I am really excited to see what he can do this year

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah he did well against a lot of really good WRs. I am really excited to see what he can do this year

The sky is the limit as long as he stays healthy

[GrimCoconut]

Jimmy Smith is a guy I'm so happy is doing well. It always made me mad when people bashed him to an unfair degree. The guy has steadily improved IMO every year. I'm excited for him to get a long-term deal. I definitely think he will.

[flynismo]

Yeah he did well against a lot of really good WRs. I am really excited to see what he can do this year

Megatron is glad he wont be seeing Jimmy again for another four years

[beanfigger]

Megatron is glad he wont be seeing Jimmy again for another four years

Or until next February. You heard it here first. And most likely last. Ok, forget you heard it.

[Tru11]

Not really

 

Dumervil - 9.5 sacks, 11 hits, 40 hurries in 319 pass-rush snaps.

 

Suggs - 10 sacks, 14 hits, 37 hurries in 480 pass-rush snaps.

 

 

I don't think I need explain the difference.

 

olb actually have to do more then rush the passer lol

 

you cant argue that a situational pass rusher is better then an every down olb.

 

sure doom was a more effective pass rusher but i still fail to see how he is better then  suggs.

 

its not like suggs doesent play all snaps and usually goes up against the LT while Doom comes in fresh and goes against the RT....

[gabefergy]

olb actually have to do more then rush the passer lol

 

you cant argue that a situational pass rusher is better then an every down olb.

 

sure doom was a more effective pass rusher but i still fail to see how he is better then  suggs.

 

its not like suggs doesent play all snaps and usually goes up against the LT while Doom comes in fresh and goes against the RT....

Getting after the passer is the most important job of an OLB in the 3-4. It's important to be good against the run as well, but it's a lot harder to find the pass-rusher than the run stuffer.

[Bltravens]

Well, the joke's on you. Skip Bayless thinks it's the best stat in football. I wonder how the "clutch gene" factors into it. Is it a variable or a constant?

 

Ugh, Stat geeks are so much worse than draftniks.

Why I don't bother with baseball anymore.  Sabermetrics as a way to judge a player?  Save it.  The only quality thing to come out of Sabermetrics is the OPS stat.

[flynismo]

Getting after the passer is the most important job of an OLB in the 3-4. It's important to be good against the run as well, but it's a lot harder to find the pass-rusher than the run stuffer.

In those stats you put up on the previous page, does "pass rush snaps" mean that is how many times they rushed the passer, or how many times they were on the field on pass plays?

[BmoreBird22]

olb actually have to do more then rush the passer lol

 

you cant argue that a situational pass rusher is better then an every down olb.

 

sure doom was a more effective pass rusher but i still fail to see how he is better then  suggs.

 

its not like suggs doesent play all snaps and usually goes up against the LT while Doom comes in fresh and goes against the RT....

Suggs plays a lot of snaps, but not all. He gets rotated out, too. He is also to the weak side linebacker, so he goes against right tackles at times. I think all three of his sacks this year against the Dolphins were on the right side.