2014 Ravens Depth Chart (PFF Grades)

[Inqui]

Now that I think of it, what does Morgan Cox have to do to make the next step and become elite?

[PolishRifle]

year the stats are good. Subjective grades though.

 

The problem with evaluating players purely on stats is, that there is no way to measure how those stats came about. You can look at how many FGs Justin Tucker made compared to the rest of the kickers in the league, but how do you factor in, that in many games the Ravens played Justin was the Ravens best, if not the only, way of scoring (see the game in Detroit)? If Tuck isn't one of the best kickers in the league than I don't know who is.

[Inqui]

The problem with evaluating players purely on stats is, that there is no way to measure how those stats came about. You can look at how many FGs Justin Tucker made compared to the rest of the kickers in the league, but how do you factor in, that in many games the Ravens played Justin was the Ravens best, if not the only, way of scoring (see the game in Detroit)? If Tuck isn't one of the best kickers in the league than I don't know who is.

That works two ways too. The offence can get closer to the sticks and they can stall regularly in the red zone, giving him more high-percentage shots. I won't argue that Tucker is one of the best in the league, if not the best, but how can you put that into a formula?

 

On another note, that's why I think the QBR's a stupid metric.

[PolishRifle]

That works two ways too. The offence can get closer to the sticks and they can stall regularly in the red zone, giving him more high-percentage shots. I won't argue that Tucker is one of the best in the league, if not the best, but how can you put that into a formula?

 

On another note, that's why I think the QBR's a stupid metric.

 

Well, the joke's on you. Skip Bayless thinks it's the best stat in football. I wonder how the "clutch gene" factors into it. Is it a variable or a constant?

 

Ugh, Stat geeks are so much worse than draftniks.

[Sami84]

Here is the thing. Flacco is average but he has the clutch gene lol

[Sami84]

Guys taking my bias aside which I always do, compared to other squads, we are pretty average. Can we play well enough to win? Sure, but talent wise, its true, we aren't a top 14-15 team. I have us ranked as the 17th best team in the league talent wise.

[Inqui]

Well, the joke's on you. Skip Bayless thinks it's the best stat in football. I wonder how the "clutch gene" factors into it. Is it a variable or a constant?

 

Ugh, Stat geeks are so much worse than draftniks.

I agree. There are some good criticisms of Flacco out there, but every time I see someone bash him and bring up his QBR I have to do this.

[Purple Punishment]

Jimmy Smith. Average? Stopped reading right there. Nobody wanted to throw his way last season.

[CapoRocky]

I can argue that Yanda is an elite guard.

[gabefergy]

There are only 1 I disagree with

Daryl Smith

The rest is pretty fair actualy. Good ratings. Average aint so bad as long as they work as a team

Daryl Smith ranked average because he is poor vs run while he excels on coverage/blitzing.

[CapoRocky]

Well, the joke's on you. Skip Bayless thinks it's the best stat in football. I wonder how the "clutch gene" factors into it. Is it a variable or a constant?

 

Ugh, Stat geeks are so much worse than draftniks.

 

I say we send Suggs over there to debate his sorry self again.

[Bruce_Almty]

I can argue that Yanda is an elite guard.

 

I just want to spend 4 months discussing whether Flacco is elite or not.

[hawkprey]

My problem with PFF is that they claim to judge players individually but still can't separate the value of the players around them. The obvious one is quarterbacks. Brady lost Hernandez and Welker and his rating went way down. Rivers gets Keenan Allen and Fluker and his rating goes way up. And obviously we know our own guy's situation. It also applies to centers (being surrounded by two great guards results in guys like De La Puente topping the charts) and other such positions. 

 

PFF puts more into their analysis than just INTS/Sacks/Catches and other basic numbers, but they still can't get the whole picture. As I've said before, accounting for only the factors that are easy to account for doesn't make you more accurate. It just makes your stats more biased. I can't stand that they made a stat called "accuracy percentage" which is nothing more than "completion percentage minus drops".

[GrimCoconut]

I think their ranking system is wrong, but that's just me.

[beanfigger]

Good for Morgan Cox.

[H8R]

TSizzle is better than a " Good starter"...

[D-Rey]

TSizzle is better than a " Good starter"...

They have Doom higher than TSizzle, that shows me their credibility lol,

[gabefergy]

They have Doom higher than TSizzle, that shows me their credibility lol,

Doom was a significantly better pass rusher last year.

[D-Rey]

Doom was a significantly better pass rusher last year.

But Suggs is better against the run. Their job is more than just pass rushing.

[gabefergy]

But Suggs is better against the run. Their job is more than just pass rushing.

That's true, but the ddifference between their ability to rush the passer was a lot larger. It's kind of unfair to Suggs because he was on the field a lot more, but Dumervil was outstanding at getting after the QB.

[BmoreBird22]

That's true, but the ddifference between their ability to rush the passer was a lot larger. It's kind of unfair to Suggs because he was on the field a lot more, but Dumervil was outstanding at getting after the QB.

While I do agree that Dumervil had a better season as a pass rusher, Suggs is vastly superior as a run defender

[gabefergy]

While I do agree that Dumervil had a better season as a pass rusher, Suggs is vastly superior as a run defender

I don't agree that it was so big of a gap especially in the second half of the season Suggs did not play that well. These ratings are based off of last year, and Dumervil was arguably the best 3-4 OLB in the league in terms of pass rush. He wasn't bad against the run either although he didn't log that many snaps like Suggs did.

[BmoreBird22]

I don't agree that it was so big of a gap especially in the second half of the season Suggs did not play that well. These ratings are based off of last year, and Dumervil was arguably the best 3-4 OLB in the league in terms of pass rush. He wasn't bad against the run either although he didn't log that many snaps like Suggs did.

If he were playing a full role and playing heavy amounts of run snaps, I think you'd see a very sizable gap in run stopping, but I do agree that he played lights out as a pass rusher

[rmw10]

If he were playing a full role and playing heavy amounts of run snaps, I think you'd see a very sizable gap in run stopping, but I do agree that he played lights out as a pass rusher

 

But he doesn't and that's why he's rated so highly.  We're maximizing our depth by using Dumervil at what he's best at and Upshaw at what he's best at.  At the end of the day, what actually happened on the field is what matters in this rating system.  We used Dumervil to his strengths and that's why he's rated higher than Suggs.  If Dumervil wasn't in a rotation, it would be a different story.

[BmoreBird22]

But he doesn't and that's why he's rated so highly.  We're maximizing our depth by using Dumervil at what he's best at and Upshaw at what he's best at.  At the end of the day, what actually happened on the field is what matters in this rating system.  We used Dumervil to his strengths and that's why he's rated higher than Suggs.  If Dumervil wasn't in a rotation, it would be a different story.

I wasn't saying Dumervil shouldn't be rated higher, though. I was just replying to the comment that there isn't a gap between them as run defenders, which I'd disagree with

[Crabcakes&Football]

Forget those color codes honestly. Joe Flacco just average, Justin Forsett is apparently on the same level as Ray Rice.

[rmw10]

I wasn't saying Dumervil shouldn't be rated higher, though. I was just replying to the comment that there isn't a gap between them as run defenders, which I'd disagree with

 

Gotcha.  My mistake.  Misread that lol.

[BmoreBird22]

Gotcha.  My mistake.  Misread that lol.

I definitely think Dumervil played much better. He was just always in the backfield making that quarterback move

[codizzle]

PFF making that good money.. Sucking everyone in like the espn

[Ravenseconbeast]

"Gino's island"