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2014 Ravens Depth Chart (PFF Grades)

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Discuss? About what I expected to be honest, a lot of average-great quality, we just need the coaching to put it all together.

 

Edit:  Also for those wondering why we had a defensive heavy draft, the bold are the players above 30, offense has 2 (Smith Sr, Daniels) while defense has 5 all in the front 7.

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I agree. If the coaches do their job, players work to get better and we can stay healthy this will be a tough team to beat.

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That is some scary lack of depth at CB. If one of our guys goes down, we would have no more reserves

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I feel like Jimmy can be in Blue next year. 

 

It's a joke that he's in yellow as it currently stands.

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Jimmy Smith "average"? Ok, PFF...

 

Otherwise, about on par, anyone who watches the team could tell you that.

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That is some scary lack of depth at CB. If one of our guys goes down, we would have no more reserves

Yea but almost every offseason we seem to find our 3rd corner after the draft, I don't think this year will be any different.

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Yea but almost every offseason we seem to find our 3rd corner after the draft, I don't think this year will be any different.

Yeah I am hoping we sign someone who can at least provide some vet depth but as it stands now, it is a concern.

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Yeah I am hoping we sign someone who can at least provide some vet depth but as it stands now, it is a concern.

Yeah, there is no way we go into the season with six safeties and 4 corners

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2014-depth-BAL.png

 

Discuss? About what I expected to be honest, a lot of average-great quality, we just need the coaching to put it all together.

 

Edit:  Also for those wondering why we had a defensive heavy draft, the bold are the players above 30, offense has 2 (Smith Sr, Daniels) while defense has 5 all in the front 7.

 

Other than counting Justin Forsett as an average starter (where do you come up with that, just wondering) this is interesting.

 

So on offense we are relying on no one getting hurt right? Ever. Even for a play. Because we have 5 rookies, 1 poor starter, 2 below average starters and (as of right now) 2 not yet decided slots as our depth.

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Do we really need some fantasy football clowns to tell us what our depth chart looks like and how to grade our players? Like they know anything about football. Most of it looks alright but anybody who watches a game here and there could have done about the same. The other stuff they did looks absolutely stupid. How is Miles a below average starter? How is Jimmy average? How is Tyson on the same level when he barely played let alone actually started. PFF is a joke. Nothing new.

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Jimmy had a good season but he isn't up there with the best at his position, for someone with a lot of passes defended he only had two interceptions.

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Jimmy had a good season but he isn't up there with the best at his position, for someone with a lot of passes defended he only had two interceptions.

 

He defended CJ better than 95% of the corners out there. It's true that he hasn't had an elite season yet, but he was one of the best corners in the 2nd half of the season last year. For them to say he's average is absurd. They have to be more specific about it. He's not elite yet, he's not average. He's an up and coming corner who has the potential to be elite. Average starter to me means you're average period, you have no upside, you reached your potential. Guys like Dawan Landry. He's like the epitome of average. Same goes for Ihedigbo. That's average. They need a different tag for guys like Jimmy Smith, Elam, guys that are playing well but who are expected to be in that elite group in the coming years. But I don't care what they say anyway, it's not gonna change the way I think about our guys. :D

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Joe Flacco,Ray Rice and Daryl Smith are all average?I could see the Flacco part coming from a mile away because they make that insult every year,but who would call an ILB who got 123 tackles,5 sacks,18 passes defensed,3 interceptions(one of them being a pick 6) and 2 forced fumbles average?If thats average then I hope our entire team is average.

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hate their grades, best for stats

 

That's pretty much the only thing they're good for. They have all the stats, and most of them are just facts. Like snaps, where somebody lined up, what receiver or corner gets targeted the most, QB hits, stuff like that. But the rest is garbage, them grading the players, because they don't know what they're talking about. All they do is assume. They don't know the calls, they don't know who was supposed to do what.

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That's pretty much the only thing they're good for. They have all the stats, and most of them are just facts. Like snaps, where somebody lined up, what receiver or corner gets targeted the most, QB hits, stuff like that. But the rest is garbage, them grading the players, because they don't know what they're talking about. All they do is assume. They don't know the calls, they don't know who was supposed to do what.

year the stats are good. Subjective grades though.
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2014-depth-BAL.png

 

Discuss? About what I expected to be honest, a lot of average-great quality, we just need the coaching to put it all together.

 

Edit:  Also for those wondering why we had a defensive heavy draft, the bold are the players above 30, offense has 2 (Smith Sr, Daniels) while defense has 5 all in the front 7.

 

There are only 1 I disagree with

 

Daryl Smith

 

The rest is pretty fair actualy. Good ratings. Average aint so bad as long as they work as a team

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Just show you how good steve smith is at 35 to be ''good starter''

 

If this were 2005-2006 the rating would say ''Not fair''

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If Justin Forsett's an average starter, how many do they have as below average or poor starters? Unless I'm mistaken in how I understand an average, shouldn't roughly half the league be below him?

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If Justin Forsett's an average starter, how many do they have as below average or poor starters? Unless I'm mistaken in how I understand an average, shouldn't roughly half the league be below him?

 

I think its based on the string. 

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One thing I like is the amount of ''not enough info '' and rookies. One or two will show their worth.

 

It is true though, we are one of very few teams without an elite talent BUT

 

I think CJ mosley is. Owen Daniels/Daryl Smith are only ranked average probably because of their age coming into the season. They are good starters.

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Not sure about the color designations but the WR corps just isn't scary on paper. I don't see it putting pressure or imposing its will on defenses especially with our history of not overcoming press coverage. Perhaps a stronger run game / play design along with the additional personnel this yr will alleviate that.

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First of all, Justin Tucker is elite. Secondly, Jah Reid is the worst. Below-Average, pfft. Daryl Smith and JImmy Smith were average last season? That's just plain wrong. Outside the two Smiths alot of those are solely based on the last season, btw. Flacco, Rice and Osemele are High Quality players. The problem is that the offense as a whole just fell apart last season. 

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Now that I think of it, what does Morgan Cox have to do to make the next step and become elite?

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year the stats are good. Subjective grades though.

 

The problem with evaluating players purely on stats is, that there is no way to measure how those stats came about. You can look at how many FGs Justin Tucker made compared to the rest of the kickers in the league, but how do you factor in, that in many games the Ravens played Justin was the Ravens best, if not the only, way of scoring (see the game in Detroit)? If Tuck isn't one of the best kickers in the league than I don't know who is.

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The problem with evaluating players purely on stats is, that there is no way to measure how those stats came about. You can look at how many FGs Justin Tucker made compared to the rest of the kickers in the league, but how do you factor in, that in many games the Ravens played Justin was the Ravens best, if not the only, way of scoring (see the game in Detroit)? If Tuck isn't one of the best kickers in the league than I don't know who is.

That works two ways too. The offence can get closer to the sticks and they can stall regularly in the red zone, giving him more high-percentage shots. I won't argue that Tucker is one of the best in the league, if not the best, but how can you put that into a formula?

 

On another note, that's why I think the QBR's a stupid metric.

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That works two ways too. The offence can get closer to the sticks and they can stall regularly in the red zone, giving him more high-percentage shots. I won't argue that Tucker is one of the best in the league, if not the best, but how can you put that into a formula?

 

On another note, that's why I think the QBR's a stupid metric.

 

Well, the joke's on you. Skip Bayless thinks it's the best stat in football. I wonder how the "clutch gene" factors into it. Is it a variable or a constant?

 

Ugh, Stat geeks are so much worse than draftniks.

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Guys taking my bias aside which I always do, compared to other squads, we are pretty average. Can we play well enough to win? Sure, but talent wise, its true, we aren't a top 14-15 team. I have us ranked as the 17th best team in the league talent wise.

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Well, the joke's on you. Skip Bayless thinks it's the best stat in football. I wonder how the "clutch gene" factors into it. Is it a variable or a constant?

 

Ugh, Stat geeks are so much worse than draftniks.

I agree. There are some good criticisms of Flacco out there, but every time I see someone bash him and bring up his QBR I have to do this.

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There are only 1 I disagree with

Daryl Smith

The rest is pretty fair actualy. Good ratings. Average aint so bad as long as they work as a team

Daryl Smith ranked average because he is poor vs run while he excels on coverage/blitzing.

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Well, the joke's on you. Skip Bayless thinks it's the best stat in football. I wonder how the "clutch gene" factors into it. Is it a variable or a constant?

 

Ugh, Stat geeks are so much worse than draftniks.

 

I say we send Suggs over there to debate his sorry self again.

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My problem with PFF is that they claim to judge players individually but still can't separate the value of the players around them. The obvious one is quarterbacks. Brady lost Hernandez and Welker and his rating went way down. Rivers gets Keenan Allen and Fluker and his rating goes way up. And obviously we know our own guy's situation. It also applies to centers (being surrounded by two great guards results in guys like De La Puente topping the charts) and other such positions. 

 

PFF puts more into their analysis than just INTS/Sacks/Catches and other basic numbers, but they still can't get the whole picture. As I've said before, accounting for only the factors that are easy to account for doesn't make you more accurate. It just makes your stats more biased. I can't stand that they made a stat called "accuracy percentage" which is nothing more than "completion percentage minus drops".

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TSizzle is better than a " Good starter"...

They have Doom higher than TSizzle, that shows me their credibility lol,

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They have Doom higher than TSizzle, that shows me their credibility lol,

Doom was a significantly better pass rusher last year.

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Doom was a significantly better pass rusher last year.

But Suggs is better against the run. Their job is more than just pass rushing.

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But Suggs is better against the run. Their job is more than just pass rushing.

That's true, but the ddifference between their ability to rush the passer was a lot larger. It's kind of unfair to Suggs because he was on the field a lot more, but Dumervil was outstanding at getting after the QB.

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