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2008-2012 Draft grades

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I always hear analysts talking about how draft grades are only relevant a few years after the draft, but I never see them actually make those grades.  Obviously, there is a lot of talk about how good or bad the 2014 draft is or how Ozzie is a wizard or how he has lost it.  I decided to post the drafts from 2008-2012 so that we can actually take a look and give some grades.  I haven't included data about trading up or back, though it is relevant to the discussion.  I don't plan to grade them, but I am interested in grades that other fans give.  Please justify your reasoning for whatever grades you do give.  I've listed round, name and position.  If you spot errors, let me know so I can come back to correct them.

 

2012

2: Courtney Upshaw OLB

2: Kelechi Osemele G

3: Bernard Pierce RB

4: Gino Gradkowski C

4: Christian Thompson S

5: Asa Jackson CB

6: Tommy Streeter WR

7: DeAngelo Tyson DE

 

2011

1: Jimmy Smith CB

2: Torrey Smith WR

3: Jah Reid OT

4: Tandon Doss WR

5: Chykie Brown CB

5: Pernell McPhee DE

6: Tyrod Taylor QB

7: Anthony Allen RB

 

2010

2: Sergio Kindle LB

2: Terrence Cody DT

3: Ed Dickson TE

4: Dennis Pitta TE

5: David Reed WR

5: Arthur Jones DT

6: Ramon Harewood OT

 

2009

1: Michael Oher OT

2: Paul Kruger DE/OLB

3: Lardarius Webb CB

5: Jason Phillips LB

5: Davon Drew TE

6: Cedric Peerman RB

 

2008

1: Joe Flacco QB

2: Ray Rice RB

3: Tavares Gooden LB

3: Tom Zbikowdki S

3: Oniel Cousins G

4: Marcus Smith WR

4: David Hale OT

6: Haruki Nakamura S

7: Justin Harper WR

7: Allen Patrick RB

 

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I always hear analysts talking about how draft grades are only relevant a few years after the draft, but I never see them actually make those grades.  Obviously, there is a lot of talk about how good or bad the 2014 draft is or how Ozzie is a wizard or how he has lost it.  I decided to post the drafts from 2008-2012 so that we can actually take a look and give some grades.  I haven't included data about trading up or back, though it is relevant to the discussion.  I don't plan to grade them, but I am interested in grades that other fans give.  Please justify your reasoning for whatever grades you do give.  I've listed round, name and position.  If you spot errors, let me know so I can come back to correct them.

 

My grades are based on a combination of value for pick and substance

 

2012

2: Courtney Upshaw OLB   Grade     B-

2: Kelechi Osemele G           Grade -  B

3: Bernard Pierce RB            Grade     B

4: Gino Gradkowski C                         E

4: Christian Thompson S                    F

5: Asa Jackson CB                               D-

6: Tommy Streeter WR                         F

7: DeAngelo Tyson DE                         B-

 

2011

1: Jimmy Smith CB                              B-

2: Torrey Smith WR                              B +

3: Jah Reid OT                                       D-

4: Tandon Doss WR                              D-

5: Chykie Brown CB                             C

5: Pernell McPhee DE                           C+

6: Tyrod Taylor QB                                F

7: Anthony Allen RB                             D

 

2010

2: Sergio Kindle LB                                 F

2: Terrence Cody DT                               E

3: Ed Dickson TE                                     D-

4: Dennis Pitta TE                                    B+

5: David Reed WR                                    E

5: Arthur Jones DT                                  B+

6: Ramon Harewood OT                         F

 

2009

1: Michael Oher OT                                  C

2: Paul Kruger DE/OLB                            C+

3: Lardarius Webb CB                             A-

5: Jason Phillips LB                                  F

5: Davon Drew TE                                     F( WHO??!? ) another crockett gilmore lol?

6: Cedric Peerman RB                              F

 

2008

1: Joe Flacco QB                                      A-

2: Ray Rice RB                                          A

3: Tavares Gooden LB                             E

3: Tom Zbikowdki S                                 D-

3: Oniel Cousins G                                   E

4: Marcus Smith WR                                 F

4: David Hale OT                                        F

6: Haruki Nakamura S                              C-

7: Justin Harper WR                                  F

7: Allen Patrick RB                                    F

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2008 A

2009 c webb is a star but and kurger still in the league

2010 C+ pitta and art are good players cody in below avg

2011 B- Torrey and Jimmy make the draft good

2012 inconclusive

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Man, 2010. Those first 3 picks, just horrible. 2008 would be the hardest to grade. Only two players actually turned out to be contributers, but then again those two are a franchise QB and a ProBowl RB. Ozzie wiffed on offense alot. No wonder he's scared of drafting a WR. 

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2012

2: Courtney Upshaw OLB   Grade     B-

2: Kelechi Osemele G           Grade -  B

3: Bernard Pierce RB            Grade     B

4: Gino Gradkowski C                         E

4: Christian Thompson S                    F

5: Asa Jackson CB                               D-

6: Tommy Streeter WR                         F

7: DeAngelo Tyson DE                         B-

 

2011

1: Jimmy Smith CB                              B-

2: Torrey Smith WR                              B +

3: Jah Reid OT                                       D-

4: Tandon Doss WR                              D-

5: Chykie Brown CB                             C

5: Pernell McPhee DE                           C+

6: Tyrod Taylor QB                                F

7: Anthony Allen RB                             D

 

2010

2: Sergio Kindle LB                                 F

2: Terrence Cody DT                               E

3: Ed Dickson TE                                     D-

4: Dennis Pitta TE                                    B+

5: David Reed WR                                    E

5: Arthur Jones DT                                  B+

6: Ramon Harewood OT                         F

 

2009

1: Michael Oher OT                                  C

2: Paul Kruger DE/OLB                            C+

3: Lardarius Webb CB                             A-

5: Jason Phillips LB                                  F

5: Davon Drew TE                                     F( WHO??!? ) another crockett gilmore lol?

6: Cedric Peerman RB                              F

 

2008

1: Joe Flacco QB                                      A-

2: Ray Rice RB                                          A

3: Tavares Gooden LB                             E

3: Tom Zbikowdki S                                 D-

3: Oniel Cousins G                                   E

4: Marcus Smith WR                                 F

4: David Hale OT                                        F

6: Haruki Nakamura S                              C-

7: Justin Harper WR                                  F

7: Allen Patrick RB                                    F

2007
1 - Ben Grubbs, G Auburn                    A
3 - Yamon Figurs, WR Kansas State       F
3 - Marshall Yanda, G Iowa                  A +
4 - Antwan Barnes, LB Florida International D-
4 - Le'Ron McClain, RB Alabama            B+
5 - Troy Smith, QB Ohio State               F
6 - Prescott Burgess, LB Michigan          F

2006
1 - Haloti Ngata, DT Oregon                     A
2 - Chris Chester, C Oklahoma                  B
3 - David Pittman, DB Northwestern State  E
4 - Demetrius Williams, WR Oregon           E
5 - P.J. Daniels, RB Georgia Tech              F
6 - Dawan Landry, DB Georgia Tech           B+
7 - Quinn Sypniewski, TE Colorado             F
8 - Sam Koch P Nebraska,                        A
9 - Derrick Martin, DB Wyomin                  F
10 - Ryan LaCasse, LB Syracuse                F

2005
1 - Mark Clayton, WR Oklahoma                C-
2 - Dan Cody, DE Oklahoma                      F
3 - Adam Terry, T Syracuse                       F
4 - Jason Brown, C North Carolina              F
5 - Justin Green, RB Montana                     F
6 - Derek Anderson, QB Oregon State          C (if he played more)
7 - Mike Smith, LB Texas Tech                   F

2004
1 - Dwan Edwards, DT Oregon State            D
2 - Devard Darling, WR Washington State     F
3 - Roderick Green, LB Central Missouri        F
4 - Josh Harris, QB Bowling Green               F
5 - Clarence Moore, WR Northern Arizona      F
6 - Derek Abney, WR Kentucky                    F
7 - Brian Rimpf, T East Carolina >br>           F

2003
1 - Terrell Suggs, DE Arizona State               A
2 - Kyle Boller, QB California                        F
3 - Musa Smith, RB Georgia                          C
4 - Jarret Johnson, DT Alabama                     B+
5 - Ovie Mughe,lli RB Wake Forest,                 B
6 - Aubrayo Frank,lin DT Tennessee                B
7 - Tony Pashos, T Illinois                             F
8 - Gerome Sapp, DB Notre Dame                  F
9 - Trent Smith, TE Oklahoma                        F
10 - Mike Mabry, C Central Florida                  F
11 - Antwoine Sanders, DB Utah                     F

2002
1 - Edward Reed, DB Miami (FL)                      A +
2 - Anthony Weaver, DE Notre Dame               C+
3 - Dave Zastudil, P Ohio                                F
4 - Ron Johnson, WR Minnesota                        F
5 - Terry Jones, Jr TE Alabama                         F
6 - LaMont Brightful, WR Eastern Washington      F 
7 - Javin Hunter, WR Notre Dame                      F
8 - Chester Taylor, RB Toledo                            B-
9 - Chad Williams, DB Southern Mississippi          F
10 - Wes Pate, QB Stephen F. Austin                   f

2001
1 - Todd Heap, TE Arizona State                      A-
2 - Gary Baxter, DB Baylor                             C+
3 - Casey Rabach, C Wisconsin                        E
4 - Edgerton Hartwe,ll LB Western Illinois          C+
5 - Chris Barnes, RB New Mexico State              F
6 - Joe Maese, C New Mexico                           F
7 - Dwayne Missouri, DE Northwestern               F

2000 
1 - Jamal Lewis, RB Tennessee                           A
2 - Travis Taylor, WR Florida                              E
3 - Chris Redman, QB Louisville                           F
4 - Richard Mercier, G Miami (FL)                        F
5 - Adalius Thomas, DE Southern Mississippi         A
6 - Cedric Woodard, DT Texas                             E

1999
1 - Chris McAlister, DB Arizona                           A
2 - Brandon Stokley, WR Southwestern Louisiana   B
3 - Edwin Mulitalo, G Arizona                              B+
4 - Anthony Poindexter, DB Virginia                      F

1998
1 - Duane Starks, DB Miami (FL)                  B+
2 - Patrick Johnson, WR Oregon                   C-
3 - Martin Chase, DT Oklahoma                    E
4 - Ryan Sutter, DB Colorado                       F
5 - Ron Rogers, LB Georgia Tech                  F
6 - Sammy Williams, T Oklahoma                 F
 

1997
1 - Peter Boulware, DE Florida State              A
2 - Jamie Sharper, LB Virginia                      A-
3 - Kim Herring, DB Penn State                     B+
4 - Jay Graham, RB Tennessee                      E
5 - Tyrus McCloud, LB Louisville                     F
6 - Jeff Mitche,ll C Florida                             B
7 - Steve Lee, RB Indiana                             F
8 - Cornell Brown, DE Virginia Tech                B
9 - Chris Ward, DE Kentucky        
10 - Wally Richardson, QB Penn State
11 - Ralph Staten, LB Alabama
12 - Leland Taylor, DT Louisville

1996
1 - Jonathan Ogden, T UCLA             A+
2 - Ray Lewis, LB Miami (FL)            A +
3 - DeRon Jenkins, DB Tennessee      F
4 - Jermaine Lewis, WR Maryland      B
5 - Dexter Daniels, LB Florida            F
6 - James Roe, WR Norfolk State        F
7 - Jon Stark, QB Trinity                    F

 

 

i got a bit lazy with the F's.. some were not that bad but I could be bothered thinking F or E

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My predictions for this years draft

 

Cj Mosley : A

Jernigan : C-

Brooks :   C

Urban: F

Crockett GIlmore: F

Tailiaferro : F

Urschel: C

Camponaro: B+

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2008 - A

2009 - C+

2010 - C

2011 - B

2012 - C+/B (sorta too early)

Worst draft 2005

Best Draft 1996

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2012

2: Courtney Upshaw OLB   Grade     B-

2: Kelechi Osemele G           Grade -  B

3: Bernard Pierce RB            Grade     B

4: Gino Gradkowski C                         E

4: Christian Thompson S                    F

5: Asa Jackson CB                               D-

6: Tommy Streeter WR                         F

7: DeAngelo Tyson DE                         B-

 

2011

1: Jimmy Smith CB                              B-

2: Torrey Smith WR                              B +

3: Jah Reid OT                                       D-

4: Tandon Doss WR                              D-

5: Chykie Brown CB                             C

5: Pernell McPhee DE                           C+

6: Tyrod Taylor QB                                F

7: Anthony Allen RB                             D

 

2010

2: Sergio Kindle LB                                 F

2: Terrence Cody DT                               E

3: Ed Dickson TE                                     D-

4: Dennis Pitta TE                                    B+

5: David Reed WR                                    E

5: Arthur Jones DT                                  B+

6: Ramon Harewood OT                         F

 

2009

1: Michael Oher OT                                  C

2: Paul Kruger DE/OLB                            C+

3: Lardarius Webb CB                             A-

5: Jason Phillips LB                                  F

5: Davon Drew TE                                     F( WHO??!? ) another crockett gilmore lol?

6: Cedric Peerman RB                              F

 

2008

1: Joe Flacco QB                                      A-

2: Ray Rice RB                                          A

3: Tavares Gooden LB                             E

3: Tom Zbikowdki S                                 D-

3: Oniel Cousins G                                   E

4: Marcus Smith WR                                 F

4: David Hale OT                                        F

6: Haruki Nakamura S                              C-

7: Justin Harper WR                                  F

7: Allen Patrick RB                                    F

2007

1 - Ben Grubbs, G Auburn                    A

3 - Yamon Figurs, WR Kansas State       F

3 - Marshall Yanda, G Iowa                  A +

4 - Antwan Barnes, LB Florida International D-

4 - Le'Ron McClain, RB Alabama            B+

5 - Troy Smith, QB Ohio State               F

6 - Prescott Burgess, LB Michigan          F

2006

1 - Haloti Ngata, DT Oregon                     A

2 - Chris Chester, C Oklahoma                  B

3 - David Pittman, DB Northwestern State  D

4 - Demetrius Williams, WR Oregon           E

5 - P.J. Daniels, RB Georgia Tech              F

6 - Dawan Landry, DB Georgia Tech           B+

7 - Quinn Sypniewski, TE Colorado             F

8 - Sam Koch P Nebraska,                        A

9 - Derrick Martin, DB Wyomin                  F

10 - Ryan LaCasse, LB Syracuse                F

2005

1 - Mark Clayton, WR Oklahoma                C-

2 - Dan Cody, DE Oklahoma                      F

3 - Adam Terry, T Syracuse                       F

4 - Jason Brown, C North Carolina              F

5 - Justin Green, RB Montana                     F

6 - Derek Anderson, QB Oregon State          C (if he played more)

7 - Mike Smith, LB Texas Tech                   F

2004

1 - Dwan Edwards, DT Oregon State            D

2 - Devard Darling, WR Washington State     F

3 - Roderick Green, LB Central Missouri        F

4 - Josh Harris, QB Bowling Green               F

5 - Clarence Moore, WR Northern Arizona      F

6 - Derek Abney, WR Kentucky                    F

7 - Brian Rimpf, T East Carolina >br>           F

2003

1 - Terrell Suggs, DE Arizona State               A

2 - Kyle Boller, QB California                        F

3 - Musa Smith, RB Georgia                          F

4 - Jarret Johnson, DT Alabama                     B+

5 - Ovie Mughe,lli RB Wake Forest,                 B

6 - Aubrayo Frank,lin DT Tennessee                B

7 - Tony Pashos, T Illinois                             F

8 - Gerome Sapp, DB Notre Dame                  F

9 - Trent Smith, TE Oklahoma                        F

10 - Mike Mabry, C Central Florida                  F

11 - Antwoine Sanders, DB Utah                     F

2002

1 - Edward Reed, DB Miami (FL)                      A +

2 - Anthony Weaver, DE Notre Dame               C+

3 - Dave Zastudil, P Ohio                                F

4 - Ron Johnson, WR Minnesota                        F

5 - Terry Jones, Jr TE Alabama                         F

6 - LaMont Brightful, WR Eastern Washington      F 

7 - Javin Hunter, WR Notre Dame                      F

8 - Chester Taylor, RB Toledo                            f

9 - Chad Williams, DB Southern Mississippi          F

10 - Wes Pate, QB Stephen F. Austin                   f

2001

1 - Todd Heap, TE Arizona State                      A-

2 - Gary Baxter, DB Baylor                             E    

3 - Casey Rabach, C Wisconsin                        E

4 - Edgerton Hartwe,ll LB Western Illinois          F

5 - Chris Barnes, RB New Mexico State              F

6 - Joe Maese, C New Mexico                           F

7 - Dwayne Missouri, DE Northwestern               F

2000 

1 - Jamal Lewis, RB Tennessee                           A

2 - Travis Taylor, WR Florida                              E

3 - Chris Redman, QB Louisville                           F

4 - Richard Mercier, G Miami (FL)                        F

5 - Adalius Thomas, DE Southern Mississippi         A

6 - Cedric Woodard, DT Texas                             E

1999

1 - Chris McAlister, DB Arizona                           A

2 - Brandon Stokley, WR Southwestern Louisiana   B

3 - Edwin Mulitalo, G Arizona                              B+

4 - Anthony Poindexter, DB Virginia                      F

1998

1 - Duane Starks, DB Miami (FL)                  B+

2 - Patrick Johnson, WR Oregon                   C-

3 - Martin Chase, DT Oklahoma                    E

4 - Ryan Sutter, DB Colorado                       F

5 - Ron Rogers, LB Georgia Tech                  F

6 - Sammy Williams, T Oklahoma                 F

 

1997

1 - Peter Boulware, DE Florida State              A

2 - Jamie Sharper, LB Virginia                      A-

3 - Kim Herring, DB Penn State                     B+

4 - Jay Graham, RB Tennessee                      E

5 - Tyrus McCloud, LB Louisville                     F

6 - Jeff Mitche,ll C Florida                             B

7 - Steve Lee, RB Indiana                             F

8 - Cornell Brown, DE Virginia Tech                B

9 - Chris Ward, DE Kentucky        

10 - Wally Richardson, QB Penn State

11 - Ralph Staten, LB Alabama

12 - Leland Taylor, DT Louisville

1996

1 - Jonathan Ogden, T UCLA             A+

2 - Ray Lewis, LB Miami (FL)            A +

3 - DeRon Jenkins, DB Tennessee      F

4 - Jermaine Lewis, WR Maryland      B

5 - Dexter Daniels, LB Florida            F

6 - James Roe, WR Norfolk State        F

7 - Jon Stark, QB Trinity                    F

 

 

i got a bit lazy with the F's.. some were not that bad but I could be bothered thinking F or E

 

How in gods name do you give Gary Baxter an "E" when he was a solid starter for 3 years and turn around with a "D" to David Pittman.  The guy who stopped trying when he was playing for all of 5 weeks in 2007.  Ed Hartwell an "F", Musa Smith and Chester Taylor "F"s.

Did you even see those guys play?

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How in gods name do you give Gary Baxter an "E" when he was a solid starter for 3 years and turn around with a "D" to David Pittman.  The guy who stopped trying when he was playing for all of 5 weeks in 2007.  Ed Hartwell an "F", Musa Smith and Chester Taylor "F"s.

Did you even see those guys play?

\My bad

 

I wasnt concentrating at that point. Editing

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\My bad

 

I wasnt concentrating at that point. Editing

The dangers of trying to do all 18 drafts at once lol.

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Done. Only several errors. Yes I didnt think I put an F down for Baxter...just a lot of F's

 

it just goes to show we all should be happy if we get 1 pro bowler and 1 solid starter from any draft

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Yamon Figurs: E
David Pittman: F
Quinn Sypniewski: E
Adam Terry: D -
Jason Brown: B -
Derek Anderson: F
Tony Pashos: D -
Dave Zastudil: B
LaMont Brightful: D -
Casey Rabach: D +
Joe Maese: B + (was a good long snapper)
Travis Taylor: C
Chris Redman: E +
DeRon Jenkins: D +

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2010

6: Ramon Harewood OT                         F

                   

2007

3 - Yamon Figurs, WR Kansas State       F

6 - Prescott Burgess, LB Michigan          F

2006

7 - Quinn Sypniewski, TE Colorado             F

2005

3 - Adam Terry, T Syracuse                       F

4 - Jason Brown, C North Carolina              F

2004

2 - Devard Darling, WR Washington State     F

5 - Clarence Moore, WR Northern Arizona      F

7 - Brian Rimpf, T East Carolina          F

2003

7 - Tony Pashos, T Illinois                             F

2002

3 - Dave Zastudil, P Ohio                                F

5 - Terry Jones, Jr TE Alabama                         F

9 - Chad Williams, DB Southern Mississippi          F

2001

6 - Joe Maese, C New Mexico                           F

 

i got a bit lazy with the F's.. some were not that bad but I could be bothered thinking F or E

Even with the disclaimer, some of these dudes are a LOT better than F

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Man ... some of you have to put a curve on your grades when you are rating guys drafted in the 5-7th rounds. If you get a guy in the 7th round that is in a back-up role, rarely sees the field, plays ST and stays on the roster for a couple years ... that's not an F. 

 

How can you give Tyrod an F? He can only do what he's called upon to do ... which granted was nothing, but what else is he supposed to do? If that is the way we grade drafting back up QBs ... I'll be more than happy if they all get Fs because that will mean Flacco is healthy. 

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Even with the disclaimer, some of these dudes are a LOT better than F

sorry E's to everyone but Dave zastudli. He's a C

 

I told you E and F is pretty much the same to me

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I was thinking more about overall draft grades than specific individuals.  Having said that, there's no way I'd put an F on any 6th or 7th rounder.  Take Tommy Streeter, for example.  I still have no problem with having drafted him.  He had so much potential up side and we only used a 6th rounder on him.  I'd still give the front office at least a C for taking that chance.  And a D for Anthony Allen?  7th rounder who got some RB time and, if my memory is correct,  was an excellent special teamer who led out Jacoby Jones on his kickoff returns, including the Super Bowl TD.  I'd put that at a B+ pick at worst, even if he was here for only a couple of seasons. 

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If you've started a full season for us that at least warrants a C imo.  Also, not everyone is drafted to be a star.  You have really good role players and special teamers that I see E's and F's on. 

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I always hear analysts talking about how draft grades are only relevant a few years after the draft, but I never see them actually make those grades.  Obviously, there is a lot of talk about how good or bad the 2014 draft is or how Ozzie is a wizard or how he has lost it.  I decided to post the drafts from 2008-2012 so that we can actually take a look and give some grades.  I haven't included data about trading up or back, though it is relevant to the discussion.  I don't plan to grade them, but I am interested in grades that other fans give.  Please justify your reasoning for whatever grades you do give.  I've listed round, name and position.  If you spot errors, let me know so I can come back to correct them.

 

I can't really give grades as such because players productivity and the length of time before becoming productive all play a part.  I really look at development in terms of initial investment, rate of return and total value like any real investment.  A 7th rounder that took 3 years to become a back-up isn't a bad pick.  A first round pick that takes 3 years to become a starter is less than I would expect for such a high investment.  I simplify it to what I see as the basic cost to the team and the total value he has provided.  

 

Very High Value = Cornerstone of the Team, Elite Player

High Value = Starting Caliber, Productive and Consistent Player

Medium Value = Plays a valuable if limited role for the team, productive in his role

Low Value = Offers some value in terms of adding depth and possibly a weak link on a productive team

No Value = Did little to nothing that really contributed to the team on gameday

 

I assign roles that I feel we assumed the player would take the first year.  Starters were assumed to become starters the first year.  Solid Role player were assumed to play a productive part in the offense year one but not necessarily start.  Depth picks were drafted to add to a rotation as a reserve in the first year but not necessarily see significant time.  Development picks were meant to be brought along over time and bring contributions down the road.  

 

Disclaimer:  To me most picks outside of the first four rounds are meant to be longshots and projects that we shouldn't expect much from.  We use our PSquad and Injured Reserve like an in-house minor league to help us develop players on the fringes of the roster.  That gives most developmental guys 2-years to figure it out or hit the streets. Mostly low risk gambles that pan out sometimes along with RFA's.

 

2012

2: Courtney Upshaw OLB - Solid Role - Drafted to take over a role in the defense and has been a solid contributor all along, particularly in the run game.  A solid vet.  High Cost / High Value

2: Kelechi Osemele G - Solid Role - Drafted to compete for a starting role Osemele started 14 games at RT and the playoffs at LG helping us win a SB.  Flashed dominance at G before injury last year.  High Cost / Very High Value (High to Med value if injury persists)

3: Bernard Pierce RB - Solid Role - Came in a provided a good option at RB after Rice.  Looked great year 1, but struggled last year along with Rice in part due to oline.  Had been productive and looks to be productive again.  Med Cost / High Value

4: Gino Gradkowski C - Development Pick - Groomed to take over at C but under-performed as a starter. Started for us all last year and a depth player the year before but absent a great camp he looks like he out.  Med Cost / Med Value

4: Christian Thompson S - Solid Role - Drafted to add depth to the safety corps.  Never added up to the sum of his parts.  Talented but never developed.  Med Cost / No Value

5: Asa Jackson CB - Development Pick - Asa has looked good preseason but can seem to get playing time but has managed to make the team and provide depth every year. Suspension irked team last year.  Jury is out.  Low Cost / ??? Value

6: Tommy Streeter WR - Development Pick - So much talent and nothing more. PSquad/IR Stash.  Low Cost / No Value

7: DeAngelo Tyson DE - Development Pick - A player we thought could develop into something with time.  Managed a bit of production his rookie year and then moved fully into the rotation his second.  A solid contributor in the DE/DT rotation.  Low Cost / Med Value

 

2011

1: Jimmy Smith CB - Starter - Drafted to be a starter Jimmy took longer to develop than we would have liked but he is one of the better corners in the league.  High Cost / Very High Value

2: Torrey Smith WR - Solid Role - Drafted to be the WR of the future with a start as a deep threat.  He has been as advertised and seems to get better every year.  High Cost / High Value

3: Jah Reid OT - Development Pick - Looked like he was going to be a good project.  Has tools but cannot manage to be consistent. Has been depth on the line but unable to achieve starting role.  Jury is out but appears to be a bust.  Med Cost / Low Value

4: Tandon Doss WR - Development Pick - Slid due to injury.  Began as a sure handed route runner but failed to produce when given the chance after a few years behind Boldin.  Productive in ST.  Med Cost / Low Value

5: Chykie Brown CB - Development Pick - Large CB that has all the physical tools but lacks the smarts to fully develop. Still he's been very productive.  Low Cost / Med Value

5: Pernell McPhee DE - Development Pick - An undersized DT he managed production as a rookie but has since had a hard time finding a role and escaping injury.  Low Cost / Med Value

6: Tyrod Taylor QB - Development Pick - Has been our QB2 since year 2.  Inconsistent and stuck behind Flacco.  Low Cost / Med Value

7: Anthony Allen RB - Development Pick - Became a solid RB3. A big back that could pass protect but had a fumbling problem.  

Low cost / Low value

 

2010

2: Sergio Kindle LB - Solid Role - Was ready to be a premiere pass rusher for us and develop into a starter before cracking his head.  

High Cost / No Value

2: Terrence Cody DT - Solid Role - Was productive rookie season, caused a fumble that helped us win playoff game.  Derailed by injury, jury is still out.  High Cost / Med Value

3: Ed Dickson TE - Solid Role - The former TE of the future Dickson had the tools to be a great player and was productive before falling off and dropping passes.  Med Cost / Med Value

4: Dennis Pitta TE - Depth Pick - Initially behind Dickson and Heap on the depth chart but was productive initially and became Flacco's security blanket and helped us win a SB.  Med Cost / Very High Value

5: David Reed WR - Depth Pick - A player that was able to produce immediately in ST and showed promise at WR before derailed by injuries and inconsistency.  Low Cost / Moderate Value

5: Arthur Jones DT - Depth Pick - A player that slid to us who wasn't great at anything and became pretty god at everything.  He rose from the fringes of the roster to solid depth in the DE/DT rotation to a quality starter that left for a big pay day.  Low Cost / High Value

6: Ramon Harewood OT - Developmental Pick - A PSquad/IR stash development player that had great potential that never materialized.  Managed to rise to depth on the oline.  Low Cost / Low Value

 

2009

1: Michael Oher OT - Starter - A plug in starter that never missed a game.  Had his troubles and regressed last year but a productive player for 5 years that helped us win a SB.  High Cost / High Value

2: Paul Kruger DE/OLB - Solid Role - Drafted to fill in relatively quickly, buried on depth chart and then floundered. Late Development. 

High Cost / Med Value + Compensatory Pick

3: Lardarius Webb CB - Development Pick - Had tools to play but needed some time to get it together.  A defensive cornerstone.  

Med Cost / Very High Value

5: Jason Phillips LB - Development Pick - Looked like a nice contributor but never was.  Low Cost / No Value

5: Davon Drew TE - Development Pick - Floated on the edge of the roster for a few years as PSquad type.  Low Cost / No Value

6: Cedric Peerman RB - Development Pick - Slid due to injury prone.  PSquad/IR stash type but managed seasons in the league elsewhere.  

Low Cost / No Value

 

2008

1: Joe Flacco QB - Starter - Drafted to be the eventual starter.  Started every game, multiple playoff wins, SB MVP.  

High Cost / Very High Value

2: Ray Rice RB - Solid Role - Picked to play an immediate role on the team as RB2 and was contributor day 1.  

High Cost / Very High Value

3: Tavares Gooden LB - Depth Pick - Very fast player loaded with talent that added depth and got better but never put it together.  

Med Cost / Med Value

3: Tom Zbikowdki S - Depth Pick - Was a solid contributor from day 1 on ST and in the safety rotation, eventual starter.  Pay-day elsewhere.  

Med Cost / High Value

3: Oniel Cousins G - Depth Pick - Had all the tools to be a starting G, developed into avg G, pay day elsewhere.  Med Cost / Med Value

4: Marcus Smith WR - Development Pick - Saw some playing time on ST and snaps at WR but never panned out.  Med Cost / Low Value

4: David Hale OT - Development Pick - Never panned out.  Managed a bit of playing time. Med Cost / Low Value

6: Haruki Nakamura S - Development Pick - Haruki became a solid depth player and left for a pay day.  Low cost / High Value

7: Justin Harper WR - PSquad/IR Stash Development Guy - Never panned out or reached potential.  Low cost / No Value

7: Allen Patrick RB - I have no memory of this guy

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I always hear analysts talking about how draft grades are only relevant a few years after the draft, but I never see them actually make those grades.  Obviously, there is a lot of talk about how good or bad the 2014 draft is or how Ozzie is a wizard or how he has lost it.  I decided to post the drafts from 2008-2012 so that we can actually take a look and give some grades.  I haven't included data about trading up or back, though it is relevant to the discussion.  I don't plan to grade them, but I am interested in grades that other fans give.  Please justify your reasoning for whatever grades you do give.  I've listed round, name and position.  If you spot errors, let me know so I can come back to correct them.

 

My grades are based on a combination of value for pick and substance

 

2012

2: Courtney Upshaw OLB   Grade     B-

2: Kelechi Osemele G           Grade -  B

3: Bernard Pierce RB            Grade     B

4: Gino Gradkowski C                         E

4: Christian Thompson S                    F

5: Asa Jackson CB                               D-

6: Tommy Streeter WR                         F

7: DeAngelo Tyson DE                         B-

 

2011

1: Jimmy Smith CB                              B-

2: Torrey Smith WR                              B +

3: Jah Reid OT                                       D-

4: Tandon Doss WR                              D-

5: Chykie Brown CB                             C

5: Pernell McPhee DE                           C+

6: Tyrod Taylor QB                                F

7: Anthony Allen RB                             D

 

2010

2: Sergio Kindle LB                                 F

2: Terrence Cody DT                               E

3: Ed Dickson TE                                     D-

4: Dennis Pitta TE                                    B+

5: David Reed WR                                    E

5: Arthur Jones DT                                  B+

6: Ramon Harewood OT                         F

 

2009

1: Michael Oher OT                                  C

2: Paul Kruger DE/OLB                            C+

3: Lardarius Webb CB                             A-

5: Jason Phillips LB                                  F

5: Davon Drew TE                                     F( WHO??!? ) another crockett gilmore lol?

6: Cedric Peerman RB                              F

 

2008

1: Joe Flacco QB                                      A-

2: Ray Rice RB                                          A

3: Tavares Gooden LB                             E

3: Tom Zbikowdki S                                 D-

3: Oniel Cousins G                                   E

4: Marcus Smith WR                                 F

4: David Hale OT                                        F

6: Haruki Nakamura S                              C-

7: Justin Harper WR                                  F

7: Allen Patrick RB                                    F

 

 

 

You show how dumb you really are.  Zero football knowledge.  Giving low grades to players who are still in the league who were drafted in late rounds?  Some of these guys are solid special teamers.   What...they didn't get 6 pro bowls so they must be an F right?

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if we are going to talk about merely special teamers then there would be plenty of higher grades. You draft players hoping they can be starters or at least contribute more then just special teams. the reality is that isnt the case. 

Hence the low grades :)

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So it looks like they must have did well with UDFA's because those are some awful selections when you stack them up like that. Dan Cody wow that guy was a certified nut.

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2012

2: Courtney Upshaw OLB   Grade     B-

2: Kelechi Osemele G           Grade -  B

3: Bernard Pierce RB            Grade     B

4: Gino Gradkowski C                         E

4: Christian Thompson S                    F

5: Asa Jackson CB                               D-

6: Tommy Streeter WR                         F

7: DeAngelo Tyson DE                         B-

 

2011

1: Jimmy Smith CB                              B-

2: Torrey Smith WR                              B +

3: Jah Reid OT                                       D-

4: Tandon Doss WR                              D-

5: Chykie Brown CB                             C

5: Pernell McPhee DE                           C+

6: Tyrod Taylor QB                                F

7: Anthony Allen RB                             D

 

2010

2: Sergio Kindle LB                                 F

2: Terrence Cody DT                               E

3: Ed Dickson TE                                     D-

4: Dennis Pitta TE                                    B+

5: David Reed WR                                    E

5: Arthur Jones DT                                  B+

6: Ramon Harewood OT                         F

 

2009

1: Michael Oher OT                                  C

2: Paul Kruger DE/OLB                            C+

3: Lardarius Webb CB                             A-

5: Jason Phillips LB                                  F

5: Davon Drew TE                                     F( WHO??!? ) another crockett gilmore lol?

6: Cedric Peerman RB                              F

 

2008

1: Joe Flacco QB                                      A-

2: Ray Rice RB                                          A

3: Tavares Gooden LB                             E

3: Tom Zbikowdki S                                 D-

3: Oniel Cousins G                                   E

4: Marcus Smith WR                                 F

4: David Hale OT                                        F

6: Haruki Nakamura S                              C-

7: Justin Harper WR                                  F

7: Allen Patrick RB                                    F

2007

1 - Ben Grubbs, G Auburn                    A

3 - Yamon Figurs, WR Kansas State       F

3 - Marshall Yanda, G Iowa                  A +

4 - Antwan Barnes, LB Florida International D-

4 - Le'Ron McClain, RB Alabama            B+

5 - Troy Smith, QB Ohio State               F

6 - Prescott Burgess, LB Michigan          F

2006

1 - Haloti Ngata, DT Oregon                     A

2 - Chris Chester, C Oklahoma                  B

3 - David Pittman, DB Northwestern State  E

4 - Demetrius Williams, WR Oregon           E

5 - P.J. Daniels, RB Georgia Tech              F

6 - Dawan Landry, DB Georgia Tech           B+

7 - Quinn Sypniewski, TE Colorado             F

8 - Sam Koch P Nebraska,                        A

9 - Derrick Martin, DB Wyomin                  F

10 - Ryan LaCasse, LB Syracuse                F

2005

1 - Mark Clayton, WR Oklahoma                C-

2 - Dan Cody, DE Oklahoma                      F

3 - Adam Terry, T Syracuse                       F

4 - Jason Brown, C North Carolina              F

5 - Justin Green, RB Montana                     F

6 - Derek Anderson, QB Oregon State          C (if he played more)

7 - Mike Smith, LB Texas Tech                   F

2004

1 - Dwan Edwards, DT Oregon State            D

2 - Devard Darling, WR Washington State     F

3 - Roderick Green, LB Central Missouri        F

4 - Josh Harris, QB Bowling Green               F

5 - Clarence Moore, WR Northern Arizona      F

6 - Derek Abney, WR Kentucky                    F

7 - Brian Rimpf, T East Carolina >br>           F

2003

1 - Terrell Suggs, DE Arizona State               A

2 - Kyle Boller, QB California                        F

3 - Musa Smith, RB Georgia                          C

4 - Jarret Johnson, DT Alabama                     B+

5 - Ovie Mughe,lli RB Wake Forest,                 B

6 - Aubrayo Frank,lin DT Tennessee                B

7 - Tony Pashos, T Illinois                             F

8 - Gerome Sapp, DB Notre Dame                  F

9 - Trent Smith, TE Oklahoma                        F

10 - Mike Mabry, C Central Florida                  F

11 - Antwoine Sanders, DB Utah                     F

2002

1 - Edward Reed, DB Miami (FL)                      A +

2 - Anthony Weaver, DE Notre Dame               C+

3 - Dave Zastudil, P Ohio                                F

4 - Ron Johnson, WR Minnesota                        F

5 - Terry Jones, Jr TE Alabama                         F

6 - LaMont Brightful, WR Eastern Washington      F 

7 - Javin Hunter, WR Notre Dame                      F

8 - Chester Taylor, RB Toledo                            B-

9 - Chad Williams, DB Southern Mississippi          F

10 - Wes Pate, QB Stephen F. Austin                   f

2001

1 - Todd Heap, TE Arizona State                      A-

2 - Gary Baxter, DB Baylor                             C+

3 - Casey Rabach, C Wisconsin                        E

4 - Edgerton Hartwe,ll LB Western Illinois          C+

5 - Chris Barnes, RB New Mexico State              F

6 - Joe Maese, C New Mexico                           F

7 - Dwayne Missouri, DE Northwestern               F

2000 

1 - Jamal Lewis, RB Tennessee                           A

2 - Travis Taylor, WR Florida                              E

3 - Chris Redman, QB Louisville                           F

4 - Richard Mercier, G Miami (FL)                        F

5 - Adalius Thomas, DE Southern Mississippi         A

6 - Cedric Woodard, DT Texas                             E

1999

1 - Chris McAlister, DB Arizona                           A

2 - Brandon Stokley, WR Southwestern Louisiana   B

3 - Edwin Mulitalo, G Arizona                              B+

4 - Anthony Poindexter, DB Virginia                      F

1998

1 - Duane Starks, DB Miami (FL)                  B+

2 - Patrick Johnson, WR Oregon                   C-

3 - Martin Chase, DT Oklahoma                    E

4 - Ryan Sutter, DB Colorado                       F

5 - Ron Rogers, LB Georgia Tech                  F

6 - Sammy Williams, T Oklahoma                 F

 

1997

1 - Peter Boulware, DE Florida State              A

2 - Jamie Sharper, LB Virginia                      A-

3 - Kim Herring, DB Penn State                     B+

4 - Jay Graham, RB Tennessee                      E

5 - Tyrus McCloud, LB Louisville                     F

6 - Jeff Mitche,ll C Florida                             B

7 - Steve Lee, RB Indiana                             F

8 - Cornell Brown, DE Virginia Tech                B

9 - Chris Ward, DE Kentucky        

10 - Wally Richardson, QB Penn State

11 - Ralph Staten, LB Alabama

12 - Leland Taylor, DT Louisville

1996

1 - Jonathan Ogden, T UCLA             A+

2 - Ray Lewis, LB Miami (FL)            A +

3 - DeRon Jenkins, DB Tennessee      F

4 - Jermaine Lewis, WR Maryland      B

5 - Dexter Daniels, LB Florida            F

6 - James Roe, WR Norfolk State        F

7 - Jon Stark, QB Trinity                    F

 

 

i got a bit lazy with the F's.. some were not that bad but I could be bothered thinking F or E

 

 

You gave CHRIS CHESTER a higher grade than Jimmy Smith....

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Even with the disclaimer, some of these dudes are a LOT better than F

He obviously never saw Zastudil and Jason Brown play when they were with us

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You gave CHRIS CHESTER a higher grade than Jimmy Smith....

 

Jimmy smith was a first round pick who has only shown flashes ( last year) chester was a 2nd rounder who was probably as good as jimmy smith in his respected position and with a 2nd round pick

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Jimmy smith was a first round pick who has only shown flashes ( last year) chester was a 2nd rounder who was probably as good as jimmy smith in his respected position and with a 2nd round pick

 

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2008 A+ foundation for the offense that w got us another SB.

Zibi and Haruki where also pretty good special teamers and gooden had potential but to injury prone.

still remember him running down AP who i think was also counting a TD just as everyone else lol

 

2009 A another good draft with Kruger and Oher peaking at the right time to get us a SB and Webb has proven to be a quality starter when healthy.

Peerman had a couple of moments on special teams.

 

2010 B Kindle was sad, Cody started good but never kept it up , Dickson started good and peaked at the right time for us to win a SB, Pitta is class, Reed had his moments  and Jones was good.

 

2011 A Jimmy and torrey are cornerstones and key guys when we won the SB, reid and doss never lived up, chyckie and mcphee are good depth guys , tyrod is our back up QB till further notice and allen was a good special team player.

 

2012 B+ upshaw and osemele are starters and both played a big role for us winning the SB, pierce is a quality back up when healthy and was productive in that SB year, Gino provides good depth, jackson jury is still out , Streeter potential that never came out and tryson is also providing good depth.

 

All drafts provided contributors that had us winning a SB and later rounds have got us some good depth and some pretty good special teamers.

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My predictions for this years draft

 

Cj Mosley : A

Jernigan : C-

Brooks :   C

Urban: F

Crockett GIlmore: F

Tailiaferro : F

Urschel: C

Camponaro: B+

 

wow but its your opinion .

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Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion but not everyone has to be a Pro Bowler or HoF player.

 

If they contributed on ST for years and were solid that deserves better than a C grade and certainly nothing below it. Unless they were drafted in the first two rounds.

 

Zibby & Nakamura are 2 such examples. They were solid contributors here for years. I understand Zibby was a 3rd rounder so I guess there is something to the D grade for him. But Nakamura was a late rounder.

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2012 - "C+": They landed one every down starter in this draft with Osemele. Upshaw has played well. Pierce played well in 2012 but was horrible in 2013. Gradkowski was part of that terrible o-line in 2013. Streeter is gone. Asa Jackson can't get on the field.

 

2011 - "A": Every player from this draft made the team and contributed in some way during the Super Bowl year. Jimmy Smith and Torrey Smith are great players.

 

2010 - "B-": Kindle killed this draft. But they landed Cody, Pitta, Dickson and Jones all who played major rolls in the Super Bowl. Jones and Pitta are the clear standouts while Cody and Dickson dissapointed in the end.

 

2009 - "B+": Oher, Kruger and Webb all Super Bowl starters. Oher disspointed in the end, but he held his position down as a starter for the length of his contract. Kruger scored a big contract and Webb is a pretty darn good corner.

 

2008 - "A+": Anytime you are successful at drafting a franchise Super Bowl MVP QB it has to be an "A". Not to mention Ray Rice. Zbikowski and Nakamura were very good roll players. The others were throw aways.

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