Marlon Brown

[jazz1988]

In my opinion I thought it was quite impressive for Marlon Brown to do what he did  last year especially for a  rookie whom was undrafted. He wasn't perfect(who is ?) but he was a rookie and maybe if he was drafted he would receive more love.

[Tiz]

faith not fear you guys. this guy performed last year. He'll be better this year. made clutch catches with the game on the line, i don't know, man- I gotta just be excited for this guy.

If we continue to bury him on the depth chart, as it seems people are suggesting, he will never improve. It's almost like some are upset he's the 3/4th wr on the team

[52liveforever]

If we continue to bury him on the depth chart, as it seems people are suggesting, he will never improve. It's almost like some are upset he's the 3/4th wr on the team

 

yeah i dont get it. after how he performed last year i dont see how you wouldnt want to see how he performs this year. we might as well wait and see how he produces next year and then go from there. i think picking up a wr in the first rd wouldve been premature. give marlon a shot

[flynismo]

Okay, but I have faith in him but that doesn't mean I can't question whether or not he can take the next step. I feel like he can buy I am concerned about whether he will due to issues I've seen from him in his rookie year. He's still on development and I think this year will be an important one for him, depending on how things go.

He is very raw, that's for sure, and I have questions about whether he can truly develop into a full time starter and succeed consistently against #1 and 2 CBs. He certainly has it in him to do so, no ifs and or buts about it.

My question is (and sounds like yours as well), will that ever come to fruition?

We won't know for another year, maybe even two, but he has definitely earned the shot to lay it out there for us...seems like every time we have questioned him, he's answered the bell. I like that about him.

[GrimCoconut]

He is very raw, that's for sure, and I have questions about whether he can truly develop into a full time starter and succeed consistently against #1 and 2 CBs. He certainly has it in him to do so, no ifs and or buts about it.

My question is (and sounds like yours as well), will that ever come to fruition?

We won't know for another year, maybe even two, but he has definitely earned the shot to lay it out there for us...seems like every time we have questioned him, he's answered the bell. I like that about him.

Yeah. That's how I see it. I love him as a prospect and his potential but I've been burned before by being hyped on potential. You dig? I also don't like the idea of banking on him to take the next step. I like it when we draft guys and force guys to take that next step. That's when I feel we do our best. It's a blueprint of ours on defense that hasn't quite translated to the offense.

[Crabcakes&Football]

I'm with you guys. I'm not optimistic about Marlon's chances of developing into a #3 or even a #4, even though he appeared to have a very good rookie year. As everyone knows NFL players rarely grow beyond what they were as a rookie, especially receivers. I mean the guy didn't even have 1,000 yards in his first season, he's obviously a bum. #3 receivers on almost every team have at least that. Plus we have no idea how he'll respond to being a year further removed from a torn ACL. And he obviously has trouble catching as evidenced by his 7 TDs and low drop rate. Let's just cut him now and bring in one of the guys the Packers cut after camp.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm with you guys. I'm not optimistic about Marlon's chances of developing into a #3 or even a #4, even though he appeared to have a very good rookie year. As everyone knows NFL players rarely grow beyond what they were as a rookie, especially receivers. I mean the guy didn't even have 1,000 yards in his first season, he's obviously a bum. #3 receivers on almost every team have at least that. Plus we have no idea how he'll respond to being a year further removed from a torn ACL. And he obviously has trouble catching as evidenced by his 7 TDs and low drop rate. Let's just cut him now and bring in one of the guys the Packers cut after camp.

Who said they're not optimistic about him improving? I don't get this constant blind Marlon Brown love. I love the guy but there are things that I question about him. Why is that a big deal around here? You can't question whether a guy can develop without criticism? I think he'll become at least a good #3 with potential to be more. I'm really excited about him potential. I just wish we had someone to develop behind Smith Sr across from Torrey in the future.

[The Mom Gene]

Who said they're not optimistic about him improving? I don't get this constant blind Marlon Brown love. I love the guy but there are things that I question about him. Why is that a big deal around here? You can't question whether a guy can develop without criticism? I think he'll become at least a good #3 with potential to be more. I'm really excited about him potential. I just wish we had someone to develop behind Smith Sr across from Torrey in the future.

Why not Jacoby?  I know a lot of people don't like him, but I do.  

or  new pick next year, even... 

[BSHU_Miami]

Who said they're not optimistic about him improving? I don't get this constant blind Marlon Brown love. I love the guy but there are things that I question about him. Why is that a big deal around here? You can't question whether a guy can develop without criticism? I think he'll become at least a good #3 with potential to be more. I'm really excited about him potential. I just wish we had someone to develop behind Smith Sr across from Torrey in the future.

You cant dectect the sarcasm?

[flynismo]

You cant dectect the sarcasm?

I did, at first, but the second half was confusing lol

[flynismo]

Dammit I cant wait til Sept. I have a very, very good feeling about this season.

[GrimCoconut]

You cant dectect the sarcasm?

I did but it almost seemed as if the sarcasm was against those who have questions around him.

[Crabcakes&Football]

Who said they're not optimistic about him improving? I don't get this constant blind Marlon Brown love. I love the guy but there are things that I question about him. Why is that a big deal around here? You can't question whether a guy can develop without criticism? I think he'll become at least a good #3 with potential to be more. I'm really excited about him potential. I just wish we had someone to develop behind Smith Sr across from Torrey in the future.

 

As a matter of fact, no. That is asinine. 

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Will Marlon Brown see much action in Kubes 2 TE set Offense? Seems to me our WR's will see limited action. Brown and Jacoby are in the same boat, forget Malette and Campanaro. Torrey and Steve Smith will be starters.

[The Raven]

Will Marlon Brown see much action in Kubes 2 TE set Offense? Seems to me our WR's will see limited action. Brown and Jacoby are in the same boat, forget Malette and Campanaro. Torrey and Steve Smith will be starters.

 

I'm confident that Marlon will be used extensively. He'll probably be used similarly to how Andre Johnson was used, and I could see Mellette being used similarly to that as well. Camp will see limited action and will likely only see screens and a few slants this year. Steve Smith may start and he may not. I have a feeling Marlon will be the starter and Steve will be the slot. All depends on how Marlon develops.

 

The WR I see without a role (on offense) is Jacoby. His skill set is accounted for in Torrey. 

 

The majority of our offensive sets will probably be with 12 personnel and 21 personnel. When we go with 11 personnel, which certainly will happen frequently, I expect Torrey, Steve, and Marlon to be out there. The others will be strictly rotational guys. I think our top three will see a regular amount of snaps, but the others will see extremely limited snaps. 

[jdynamite]

Why does Romo get criticism? He was undrafted too. At some point you have to put draft position aside and expect what you'd expect out of anyone else. Marlon's in his second year now and he's done being a surprise find.

Not sure Romo's criticism as an undrafted player can be compared to Marlon Brown.

1) Romo is a QB, he has started a majority of the games for 8 seasons. Romo has won some games and he has blown some games.

None of those can be applied to marlon. He hasn't even played a second season yet to be doubt or criticized.

If given the PT he showed last season that he can improve week to week.

A fairer comparison would be josh Bynes was undrafted then became part time starter which raised expectations, also having drafted competition in A.Brown criticism and impatience rose on Bynes.

[sflegend89]

Marlon >>> Martavis Bryant

What is up with eveybody's obsession with having a super stacked wr core? It's nice to have but putting an emphasis on building a strong defense and running the ball effectively is a better formula for success. Last year we had suspect targets for Flacco but getting back Pitta, adding a true #2 TE in Daniels, getting a Boldin replacement in Steve Smith, and improving the OL is already a massive improvement for the passing game. Jernigan was better value then the wr's available.

[ravensdfan]

Marlon >>> Martavis Bryant

What is up with eveybody's obsession with having a super stacked wr core? It's nice to have but putting an emphasis on building a strong defense and running the ball effectively is a better formula for success. Last year we had suspect targets for Flacco but getting back Pitta, adding a true #2 TE in Daniels, getting a Boldin replacement in Steve Smith, and improving the OL is already a massive improvement for the passing game. Jernigan was better value then the wr's available.

 

Not really concerned with having a super stacked WR corps however, Daniels is coming off a serious injury, has a history of injuries and was released because he failed a medical. Certainly the Ravens put him through a medical but that is no guarantee he comes back to form. Clark was a good TE but he was beyond bad here last season. So, who do we have behind Daniels? That is my concern.

 

I'm taking everyone's word that Hurst, an UDFA, is going to be our next RT. Granted it is easier to find an RT than an LT but - you know, that is still a pretty big "if" for an O line that was horrid last season.

 

Then we have RB. Rice will almost certainly see some kind of suspension. Not to mention, we have no guarantee he gets back to form either. Pierce still isn't back - they just had an article about that. We have serious question marks beyond that at RB.

 

No, it wasn't really all about WR to me, but there are a lot of question marks on offense. Certainly the draft is a crap shoot to an extent anyway -but you're more likely to get starting talent early than in round 6 & 7.

[rmw10]

Marlon >>> Martavis Bryant

What is up with eveybody's obsession with having a super stacked wr core? It's nice to have but putting an emphasis on building a strong defense and running the ball effectively is a better formula for success. Last year we had suspect targets for Flacco but getting back Pitta, adding a true #2 TE in Daniels, getting a Boldin replacement in Steve Smith, and improving the OL is already a massive improvement for the passing game. Jernigan was better value then the wr's available.

I don't think people want a stacked WR group as much as they want that true #1 receiver that we've never had.

[Ravens1991]

I was just talking to my friend about Marlon. I think we are underrating him and he has a shot to be our #2 WR opposite of Smith. 49 catches and 7 TDs coming off an ACL injury is nuts. Especially considering how much of a mess this offense was. If w can get the offense as a whole better I think he can easily break the 10 TD mark and maybe 60+ catches.

[sflegend89]

I don't think people want a stacked WR group as much as they want that true #1 receiver that we've never had.

 

What did you want us to do though? I really don't understand how we missed out on a "true #1 wr" in FA or the draft. The best wr on the FA market this year (Eric Decker) is still considered a high end #2, there wasn't a "true #1 wr" even available at all in FA. Should we over pay both in trade terms and in contract for an aging/declining "true #1" in Andre Johnson? There were two #1 wr's in the draft in Watkins and Evans but we would be giving up 1st round picks for consecutive years if not more to move into that kind of draft position. Should we have picked the 4th best wr at 17 when the best ILB is still available? Look at who was available in the 2nd when we picked.. was Davante Adams, Allen Robinson, or Cody Latimer a "true #1 wr" prospect? Again, maybe high end #2 but the true #1 guys were long gone at that point and Jernigan was a diluted test away from going in the top 40

 

We signed Steve Smith who was among the top 5 wr's available in FA, he really could've signed  with about a dozen other teams if he wanted to and he chose us. I'm thankful we got a guy who can actually replicate the professionalism and consistency Boldin brought to the offense. You win Championships by playing defense and running the ball effectively. The Seahawks got to the SB last year with Baldwin, Tate, Kearse, Lockett at wr and beat the snot out of the best offense in NFL history because of their defense. Did the Giants have a stacked wr core when they took down the 18-0 super offense Pats? Not at all but the had a great defense. Look at the Pats dynasty, the key wasn't their offensive weapons, it was their defense, They won 3 SB's with Deion Branch, Troy Brown, David Patten, and David Givens at wr.

[ravensdfan]

We signed Steve Smith who was among the top 5 wr's available in FA, he really could've signed  with about a dozen other teams if he wanted to and he chose us. I'm thankful we got a guy who can actually replicate the professionalism and consistency Boldin brought to the offense. You win Championships by playing defense and running the ball effectively. The Seahawks got to the SB last year with Baldwin, Tate, Kearse, Lockett at wr and beat the snot out of the best offense in NFL history because of their defense. Did the Giants have a stacked wr core when they took down the 18-0 super offense Pats? Not at all but the had a great defense. Look at the Pats dynasty, the key wasn't their offensive weapons, it was their defense, They won 3 SB's with Deion Branch, Troy Brown, David Patten, and David Givens at wr.

 

If we're going to continually hear this argument can we at least please get the facts correct?

 

The Giants did NOT have a great defense - they were ranked #27. Their offense however was in the Top 10.

 

Let's also not pretend that these SB teams with stout defenses had pitiful offenses such as ours was last season. All were in the Top 19. Even our defensive SB win of 2000 our offense was ranked #18.

[BmoreBird22]

If we're going to continually hear this argument can we at least please get the facts correct?

 

The Giants did NOT have a great defense - they were ranked #27. Their offense however was in the Top 10.

 

Let's also not pretend that these SB teams with stout defenses had pitiful offenses such as ours was last season. All were in the Top 19. Even our defensive SB win of 2000 our offense was ranked #18.

Well they were seventh in 2007 if it's any consolation

[The Raven]

Well they were seventh in 2007 if it's any consolation

 

Yeah, can we please get the facts right? Thanks

[ravensdfan]

Well they were seventh in 2007 if it's any consolation

 

Yeah I realized he meant 2007 (funny how he skipped 2011 since it didn't meet his criteria though isn't it? hmmm) however, the internet went choppy and couldn't get back in time to fix it.

 

It is still a fact that no offense ranked #29 has won the SB. Regardless of how great the defense performed.

 

A lie of omission is still a lie.

[Cville-Raven]

Well they were seventh in 2007 if it's any consolation

Seems just a tiny bit better than 27th

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah I realized he meant 2007 (funny how he skipped 2011 since it didn't meet his criteria though isn't it? hmmm) however, the internet went choppy and couldn't get back in time to fix it.

 

It is still a fact that no offense ranked #29 has won the SB. Regardless of how great the defense performed.

Well, in all fairness, they were still the "better" defense in 2011.

[BmoreBird22]

Seems just a tiny bit better than 27th

I think the difference is microscopic, if you ask me

[beanfigger]

If we're going to continually hear this argument can we at least please get the facts correct?

The Giants did NOT have a great defense - they were ranked #27. Their offense however was in the Top 10.

Let's also not pretend that these SB teams with stout defenses had pitiful offenses such as ours was last season. All were in the Top 19. Even our defensive SB win of 2000 our offense was ranked #18.

That #27 defense of the Giants held the greatest offense ever (to that point) to 14 points. How many points did their amazing top-ten offense score in that game?

[CapoRocky]

Remember too, we have a new WR coach, who was actually a WR.  I look forward to all of them showing at least some progress and development.

 

Brown was a big surprise last season.  He is a big target in the red zone.  All the receivers will be helped by having a guy like Steve Smith on the team.  Now, let's just hope our line comes together and our receivers build chemistry with Flacco in training camp and pre-season.  The running game is the only part of the equation that needs to prove itself, especially if Rice is suspended for a few games.  I see amazing things happening on the defense.