Young Dominant Defense in the Making

[KBoum]

it was Konz and he's bad. Kinda surprising.. great school, head on the shoulders. maybe  bit small would maybe be better in a Zone Blocking Scheme 

[JoeyFlex5]

Peter Konz?

A lot of mocks had him going to us, but he fell to Atlanta in the 2nd after we took Upshaw. They're not happy.

yea thats the one, so i was wrong about that one lol, i thought it was glenn though : /

[JoeyFlex5]

can you explain me how the singlegap works ? sounds a bit like 5-2 to me ? is it the hybrid 3-4 with a run stuffer OLB like the Ravens use ? do you have the D-Line shifted ? whos got what gap ?

 

If I understood correctly that gives the ILBs the inside gaps ? NT has left 1 gap that means RILB get the right 1 Gap ?

 

Thanks

Kboum

if brandon williams is that quintessential NT weve been looking for(thanks cody!) then we could run a unique 1 gap hybrid where williams occupies the 2 gaps outside the center, giving ngata/KLM the G/T gap and give canty/jernigan the other G/T gap, so we have the penetration from our ends, our ILB's are freed up for blitzing or potentially shooting an inside lane if they see a play to be made, it could be quite a chaotic thing for us with a delayed blitz weapon such as arthur brown(if you create a late blitzing lane, he is dangerous with his burst) and with outside rushers like suggs and doom(suggs is also pretty good edge setter, also upshaw) then i would think we have a pretty unique lineup, if brandon williams could push a pocket(which i dont see him doing anytime soon) then that could be an interesting and potentially devastating scheme. 

 

does anyone know if this is currently a scheme? i feel like the steelers may do something similar..

[BMORE21]

ryans is pretty special, field general and solid is a severe understatement, consistent and fundamentally sound, smart player. hightower not as much, you seem to be underestimating ryans a bit th

ryans was average and hightower Is a bum

[BMORE21]

I thought Patriot fans are blinded by fandom, but some of you guys are just as bad.

[flynismo]

I thought Patriot fans are blinded by fandom, but some of you guys are just as bad.

On this page alone, we have people complaining about a 2nd round pick Ozzie made, people hoping Mosley is not another Bama Bust, other people hoping some of the young guys on the DL will step up, people praising a player from another team (Ryan). Have no idea where this is coming from

[Inqui]

I thought Patriot fans are blinded by fandom, but some of you guys are just as bad.

Have you said anything positive about the Ravens in your 109 posts? Blind bias cuts several ways.

[Inqui]

On this page alone, we have people complaining about a 2nd round pick Ozzie made, people hoping Mosley is not another Bama Bust, other people hoping some of the young guys on the DL will step up, people praising a player from another team (Ryan). Have no idea where this is coming from

Something about facts and a good story I guess.

[JoeyFlex5]

and not to mention, this isnt being blinded by fandom, this is holding out hope for good reason. the guys were speaking about have shown nothing to make us doubt them. ozzie has drafted this way for years, he studies harder than any other office, and finds guys with talent that should naturally place them a whole round higher. he nabs up big talent guys that have slipped dramatically for whatever reasons and gets great players at a great price. KLM was a early 2nd late first before the injury and we got him in.. what, the 5th? jernigan was a first round talent, even as high as top 20, he slipped mostly due to a diluted urinalysis, got him a whole round later, brooks may be the 2nd rangiest safety in this class after HHCD, and i would say is the "headiest" safety in the class. guys like brent urban and john simon and brandon williams are high character guys, high motor guys, and hard workers who are projects with very high potential. 

 

everything being discussed in this thread is based on observation, not blind fandom.

[flynismo]

Speaking of blind fandom, Mosley is my pick for DROY.

it's tough for anyone other than DE and OLB to get that award, but I think Mosley hits the ground running.

[The Raven]

yeah I knew that but I meant the difference between the 3-4 double gap and the 3-4 singlegap.. I mean I don't think I,ve seen the Ravens run 100% any of this. I saw them used single gap for most of the D-Line except the NT with doublegap and maybe Arthur Jones/Tyson.

 

I'm pretty sure Canty was single gap. Upshaw had the contain, outside gap. Ngata/Cody/Williams had the double inside gaps.

Ravens don't have the personnel to run a double gaps 3-4 thats for sure. Jernigan in the 3 tech would be a beast imo, please don't try to doublegap him thats not where he's great at. Same with  Canty. Ngata isnt the same he was against double team. 

 

so the hybrid 3-4 single gap/4-3 with Upshaw setting the edge and Ngata/Tyson/KLM - Ngata/Williams/Cody - Canty/Jernigan

pretty much what the Ravens used.

 

Bingo. You got it. Just a 3-4 defense with 3-4 fronts. The gap philosophy is the only real difference. 

[beanfigger]

Speaking of blind fandom, Mosley is my pick for DROY.

it's tough for anyone other than DE and OLB to get that award, but I think Mosley hits the ground running.

ILBs get it very often, as well. LB in general is the position that gets it nearly every year. Mosely has a good shot. No DB has won it, however, since Woodson in '98, so Brooks would have to run four or five picks back for TDs to even have a chance.

[SecretAgentMan]

It'll be Mosley or Mack IMO. Clowney has a lack of a work ethic, but he will still produce. So he'll be in the running. I could see Shazier winning it

[RaineV1]

Donald definitely have a shot at DROY as well.

[ravensnick]

Donald definitely have a shot at DROY as well.

I doubt it, he would have to probably have 10+ sacks (which is highly unlikely).

[BMORE21]

Have you said anything positive about the Ravens in your 109 posts? Blind bias cuts several ways.

Im more of a realist, so its hard to say anything about players of have yet to play a down in the NFL

[YashaYahu1]

Arthur browns has crazy speed,and is known for his watching film do you think he can start over Mosely??? Seems like people already gave Mosey the job.

[acranfor]

Arthur browns has crazy speed,and is known for his watching film do you think he can start over Mosely??? Seems like people already gave Mosey the job.

People are already giving Smith the job too...

 

I would guess Smith at MIKE and Mosley at WILL to begin this season, but I would not be surprised to see Mosley at MIKE and Brown at WILL by the end of the year or beginning of next year. Smith was a good on field captain and ok in coverage, but he was a liability in run support last year. People were a little too amped about him. Average MIKE at best, above average WILL.

[sflegend89]

It'll be Mosley or Mack IMO. Clowney has a lack of a work ethic, but he will still produce. So he'll be in the running. I could see Shazier winning it

 

I honestly can't and I think Shazier will end up being a good player for Pitt's defense. Shazier will be more of a factor dropping into coverage then he will making plays in the run game and racking up tackles. Shazier doesn't get off blocks nearly as good as Mosley and he get's stuck on blocks if he can't make a clean play on the ball carrier a lot of the time. Mosley has better instincts, better block shedding, and better protection with guys like Ngata, Jernigan, Brandon Williams to help keep him clean and be able to run around and make tackles.

 

Shazier might end up with a couple more picks then Mosley but I think Mosley will have 25+ more tackles and lead all rookies in that category which is a big stat for DROY.. The other being sacks which is why I could easily see Clowney or Mack winning it.

 

My DROY watch right now:

 

1. Clowney

2. Mack

3. Mosley

4. Barr

5. Shazier

[The Raven]

Arthur browns has crazy speed,and is known for his watching film do you think he can start over Mosely??? Seems like people already gave Mosey the job.

 

Arthur Brown is also really bad against the run so far in his NFL career. In the very few run downs he's played, he's gotten embarrassed in the run game, whether it was his inability to take on blocks or his struggle to tackle NFL running backs. 

 

Run defense wasn't exactly his strong suit in college, either. 

[acranfor]

Arthur Brown is also really bad against the run so far in his NFL career. In the very few run downs he's played, he's gotten embarrassed in the run game, whether it was his inability to take on blocks or his struggle to tackle NFL running backs. 

 

Run defense wasn't exactly his strong suit in college, either. 

Agreed. This is why he is suited as a WILL LB. He cannot be the point of attack in the run game like the MIKE (Mosley) and SAM (Upshaw). The WILL will clean up on the back end of run plays in pursuit and be a cover LBer - These are Brown's strong points I think.

 

My prediction is as follows:

2014-2015: SAM-Upshaw, MIKE-Smith, WILL-Mosley, RUSH-Suggs

2015-2016: SAM-Upshaw, MIKE-Mosley, WILL-Smith/Brown, RUSH-Suggs

2016-2017: SAM-Upshaw, MIKE-Mosley, WILL-Brown/FA/Draft, RUSH-Draft/Maybe Dum

[PurpleCityLights]

Our D will rank 4th this year..

[Alexir]

4th? Ok, that's fair. Seattle, San Fran and Cleveland look pretty stacked.

 

Anyways.

 

I have a feeling Canty doesn't make the team. We have SOOOO much young, explosive talent on the defensive line and he slowed down a lot last year.

[hawkprey]

Arthur Brown is also really bad against the run so far in his NFL career. In the very few run downs he's played, he's gotten embarrassed in the run game, whether it was his inability to take on blocks or his struggle to tackle NFL running backs. 

 

Run defense wasn't exactly his strong suit in college, either. 

Wasn't that mostly against the Vikings in the snow though? 

[The Raven]

Wasn't that mostly against the Vikings in the snow though? 

 

I can see that point, but it happened in more than that game. That's just the most glaring example. 

[ravensnick]

Arthur Brown is also really bad against the run so far in his NFL career. In the very few run downs he's played, he's gotten embarrassed in the run game, whether it was his inability to take on blocks or his struggle to tackle NFL running backs. 

 

Run defense wasn't exactly his strong suit in college, either. 

I think that was more size and lack of understanding the scheme than ability. He played at less than 230 and said he didn't fully understand the scheme.

[The Raven]

I think that was more size and lack of understanding the scheme than ability. He played at less than 230 and said he didn't fully understand the scheme.

 

We'll see. Like I mentioned above, this was a problem area in college, too, when those weaknesses weren't nearly as evident.

[ravensnick]

We'll see. Like I mentioned above, this was a problem area in college, too, when those weaknesses weren't nearly as evident.

He wasn't a thumper by any means but he played well against the run. pretty sure K State ran a 4-3 though.

[The Raven]

He wasn't a thumper by any means but he played well against the run. pretty sure K State ran a 4-3 though.

 

He made his money shooting gaps, and his ability to run fast through a gap and make TFLs tricked people into thinking he was a good run stopper. When he's asked to do his fundamentals and actually read, react, shed blocks, and pursue down the line, he struggles. #UnpopularOpinion

[ravensnick]

He made his money shooting gaps, and his ability to run fast through a gap and make TFLs tricked people into thinking he was a good run stopper. When he's asked to do his fundamentals and actually read, react, shed blocks, and pursue down the line, he struggles. #UnpopularOpinion

Agreed, but what you highlighted is also the key scheme difference between the 4-3 and 3-4