The offensive line woes are greatly exaggerated.

[arnie_uk]

that was Minnesota lets not get ahead of ourselves. He'll have an opportunity but I have no expectations for him to start.

KO left guard. And Wagner RT.

Hopefully we can get something out of David Mimms too

hurst if healthy will beat out mimms

[BmoreBird22]

This guy is hurt and went undrafted for a reason. We are playing Russian roulette with the OL. The quality of the offense depends on the quality of the OL and we are very unsettled at the OL positions other than left tackle. Yanda had a tough year after shoulder surgery. Is that fixed?

HUrst:

"STRENGTHS Very good size. Smart and instinctive -- understands angles. Good leg drive as a run blocker -- is tough and aggressive. Competes hard and flashes some nastiness. Plays with a chip on his shoulder. Alert to see the blitz and feel stunts and switch off blocks. Experienced, four-year starter. Works hard and the game is very important to him.

WEAKNESSES Average athletic ability and agility. Tends to lunge, bend at the waist and get overextended. Is heavy-footed and struggles to adjust to quick, inside counters. Gets jarred, knocked off balance and at times collapsed and lifted off the ground by power-leverage rushers. Tends to shoot his hands wide of his target in pass protection and will give up the edge. Is late to reach the second level and connect in space. Has a fast metabolism and some trouble maintaining weight. Tied for the lightest offensive lineman at the combine and pro-day results were marginal at best, posting a poor 40 time (5.61 seconds) and vertical jump (22 inches).

DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 6-7

BOTTOM LINE A wide-bodied, overachieving, college left tackle more ideally suited for the right side in the pros. Is football smart, gritty and competitive enough to battle for a job, but would be an ideal backup swing tackle on a strong offensive line and might even benefit from kicking inside where he'd have help on each side. Lack of foot quickness, agility and lower-body explosion could be restricting."

Scouting reports are meaningless. Form your own opinion

[arnie_uk]

You obviously don't know injuries, and that's okay, but don't try to act like you do. A broken leg takes roughly four months, and sometimes that can be shortened depending on the age and health of the person. Hurst is 22(?) and in excellent condition. His leg should be fully healed by now and he'll be ready to go for camp.

whats your qualification? When did his leg break happen, was he the one that got injured at senior bowl or combine or something

[arnie_uk]

Scouting reports are meaningless. Form your own opinion

weren't you judging or draft based on analysts opinions only yesterday?

[ravensnick]

Well Ive been saying it all along that I want to see KO moved to RT, and yes there would be no competition. But I'm not so sure we're actually going to move him to RT .. I hope we do. 

I think we almost have to. I think Gradkowski could be a pretty decent guard for us as well.

[BmoreBird22]

weren't you judging or draft based on analysts opinions only yesterday?

No, I was saying that all the experts love our draft, but the fans had this imaginary idea of what it should be like, but when it didn't fall that way, they got all upset. I didn't judge the players off of scouting reports. I actually formed my own opinions from watching tape. See the difference?

[BmoreBird22]

whats your qualification? When did his leg break happen, was he the one that got injured at senior bowl or combine or something

I took plenty of Anatomy and Physiology, am a biochemistry major, and a pre-vet major. I used to want to be an orthopedic surgeon. 

He injured at the Belk Bowl on like December 23rd. 

[GrimCoconut]

I think OL issues have been exaggerated greatly on this forum. OL is an issue but we've done so much to improve it that I felt like and still do that it's been mitigated. Ozzie never said we needed to improve RT or LT. I've said many times that he specifically stated a need to improve the interior of the OL. He accomplished that this year.

Trading for Zuttah, drafting Urschel, signing Hurst improves our OL immensely. Zuttah can start at center, Urschel will likely become our future center, and Hurst can compete at RT between KO and Wagner. The losers between those three can fight to play LG with Gino, who wasn't bad at pass protection and may do well at guard with Monroe and Zuttah beside him.

Hurst might even be able to play LG.

[GrimCoconut]

You obviously don't know injuries, and that's okay, but don't try to act like you do. A broken leg takes roughly four months, and sometimes that can be shortened depending on the age and health of the person. Hurst is 22(?) and in excellent condition. His leg should be fully healed by now and he'll be ready to go for camp.

Yeah but the question is how long it'll take for him to get into football shape if he's not still in it.

[BmoreBird22]

I think you all are underestimating the importance of Zuttah on the offensive line. Matt Birk wasn't the greatest blocker at the end of his career and he'd get beat, but we noticed it more when Gino takes over. Why is that? Because Birk could make the line calls and set everyone else into place. I think people are really undervaluing the importance of a center who can make the correct calls and protections.

 

Not to mention that both his starting guards played like a total of eight or nine games, so it's not lie he had the best protection beside him. And, don't they run a power man scheme in Tampa? He's clearly built for the zone blocking scheme.

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah but the question is how long it'll take for him to get into football shape if he's not still in it.

That's something I could not tell you. I'd imagine he wouldn't be able to start day one because of getting his legs back under him, but usually people can start back with works in 6-8 weeks (like walking) and he would have been able to workout his upper body. He'll be someone who can play and might have a Rick Wagner type year with playing in jumbo packages exclusively.

[arnie_uk]

I took plenty of Anatomy and Physiology, am a biochemistry major, and a pre-vet major. I used to want to be an orthopedic surgeon.

He injured at the Belk Bowl on like December 23rd.

what part of the leg was broken?

[BmoreBird22]

what part of the leg was broken?

Fibula, thigh bone.

[arnie_uk]

No, I was saying that all the experts love our draft, but the fans had this imaginary idea of what it should be like, but when it didn't fall that way, they got all upset. I didn't judge the players off of scouting reports. I actually formed my own opinions from watching tape. See the difference?

if you say so

[arnie_uk]

Fibula, thigh bone.

is that an unusual break? Normally tibia when someone breaks a leg

[Ozzsome]

Look out for Urschel. Typical Kubiak Oliner, late Round pick and seems to fit perfectly into ZBS

Also it is said that he is super intelligent, that can only help playing OL.

I'm not saying he will be a superstar this year, but I can see him get time in heavy packages and secure a starting spot in 2 years

[BmoreBird22]

if you say so

All I'm saying is that these are really talented players we got. The first three picks were all huge value picks for where they were drafted. Can we agree on that? I look at it in the sense that we landed a top 10 talent, top 20 talent, and top 60 talent, respectively, far later than that. Most people are upset that we grabbed those players because they thought the Ravens should go offensive heavy, and when they didn't, it became a bad draft, when it actually isn't.

 

is that an unusual break? Normally tibia when someone breaks a leg

It's "unusual" in the sense that it's the strongest bone in the body. It can take about 1,000-1,200 pounds of pressure before it breaks. I'm not sure what type of fracture it was, though. I haven't seen the play, but I'll got watch it now.

[arnie_uk]

All I'm saying is that these are really talented players we got. The first three picks were all huge value picks for where they were drafted. Can we agree on that? I look at it in the sense that we landed a top 10 talent, top 20 talent, and top 60 talent, respectively, far later than that. Most people are upset that we grabbed those players because they thought the Ravens should go offensive heavy, and when they didn't, it became a bad draft, when it actually isn't.

It's "unusual" in the sense that it's the strongest bone in the body. It can take about 1,000-1,200 pounds of pressure before it breaks. I'm not sure what type of fracture it was, though. I haven't seen the play, but I'll got watch it now.

its not a bad draft, we just, in many people opinions, aren't putting our offense in the best situation to succeed after briefly making our qb the highest paid player in the league. Need I remind you how we played last year, awful comes to mind.

[BmoreBird22]

its not a bad draft, we just, in many people opinions, aren't putting our offense in the best situation to succeed after briefly making our qb the highest paid player in the league. Need I remind you how we played last year, awful comes to mind.

Trust me, I was very disappointed the Ravens didn't grab someone like OBJ, trade up for Lee, grab Devante Adams or Allen Robinson. There are a lot of players I wanted, and when the Ravens didn't grab them, I was very disappointed. I do know, though, that Kubiak runs a two tight end, two receiver scheme a lot and that historically, his receiver two and three didn't put up amazing stats, so the need to have tons of great receivers isn't as dire. Now, I would have liked to grab a higher profile receiver to groom behind Steve Smith, but we also saw that the best offense to ever play was destroyed by the Seahakws defense. Remember how the best defense to ever play absolutely manhandled the Giants in the Super Bowl? I do understand the importance of a good defense. 

[GrimCoconut]

All I'm saying is that these are really talented players we got. The first three picks were all huge value picks for where they were drafted. Can we agree on that? I look at it in the sense that we landed a top 10 talent, top 20 talent, and top 60 talent, respectively, far later than that. Most people are upset that we grabbed those players because they thought the Ravens should go offensive heavy, and when they didn't, it became a bad draft, when it actually isn't.

It's "unusual" in the sense that it's the strongest bone in the body. It can take about 1,000-1,200 pounds of pressure before it breaks. I'm not sure what type of fracture it was, though. I haven't seen the play, but I'll got watch it now.

Yeah the question is whether it was a simple or compound fracture and whether or not it required internal or external fixation. That'll determine the length of healing.

[GrimCoconut]

Look out for Urschel. Typical Kubiak Oliner, late Round pick and seems to fit perfectly into ZBS

Also it is said that he is super intelligent, that can only help playing OL.

I'm not saying he will be a superstar this year, but I can see him get time in heavy packages and secure a starting spot in 2 years

I've been comparing him to Chris Myers got a while now and I feel that comparison is spot on. I really like him and I'm very happy he's here

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah the question is whether it was a simple or compound fracture and whether or not it required internal or external fixation. That'll determine the length of healing.

I haven't heard anything other than he "broke" it, which is so generic. I'm with you in the sense that I'd really like to know what type of fracture it was because it can make a huge difference. 

[BmoreBird22]

I've been comparing him to Chris Myers got a while now and I feel that comparison is spot on. I really like him and I'm very happy he's here

Do you think he could start from day one? I was talking to a buddy and said that if Urschel is ready, he could start at center given how insanely smart he is (I'd actually think he could make the line calls), have Zuttah at left guard, and put KO at right tackle. 

[flynismo]

No, I was saying that all the experts love our draft, but the fans had this imaginary idea of what it should be like, but when it didn't fall that way, they got all upset. I didn't judge the players off of scouting reports. I actually formed my own opinions from watching tape. See the difference?

What do people mean when they say they "watched tape"? is that a fancy way of saying "YouTube" highlights?

[flynismo]

Do you think he could start from day one? I was talking to a buddy and said that if Urschel is ready, he could start at center given how insanely smart he is (I'd actually think he could make the line calls), have Zuttah at left guard, and put KO at right tackle.

He might be able to come in and start right away, but I think it's more likely that he will sit a year first.

[arnie_uk]

Trust me, I was very disappointed the Ravens didn't grab someone like OBJ, trade up for Lee, grab Devante Adams or Allen Robinson. There are a lot of players I wanted, and when the Ravens didn't grab them, I was very disappointed. I do know, though, that Kubiak runs a two tight end, two receiver scheme a lot and that historically, his receiver two and three didn't put up amazing stats, so the need to have tons of great receivers isn't as dire. Now, I would have liked to grab a higher profile receiver to groom behind Steve Smith, but we also saw that the best offense to ever play was destroyed by the Seahakws defense. Remember how the best defense to ever play absolutely manhandled the Giants in the Super Bowl? I do understand the importance of a good defense.

you could use the argument that he never had a good number 2 in houston to justift targeting them too much. I'm sure if he had three good wideouts he'd use them plenty.

[Bruce_Almty]

 

LT: Monroe

LG: KO // Gino

C: Zutah // Urschel

RG: Yanda // Jensen

RT: Wagner // Hurst

 

With Hurst, KO, Gino and Urschel each covering at least two spots.

 

If our line's still hopeless after all that, I'll jump on the Castillo hate wagon. But I do see reasons to be excited.

 

This is the 9 that most likely makes the roster unless Hurst goes on IR. Jah Reid and AQ Shipley have their work cut out for themselves.

[BmoreBird22]

What do people mean when they say they "watched tape"? is that a fancy way of saying "YouTube" highlights?

Well, I use a site called draftbreakdown.com. It puts a box around a player at the snap so you know who to watch and it shows you all their snaps on defense or offense, depending on their position. I don't know what you do

[arnie_uk]

What do people mean when they say they "watched tape"? is that a fancy way of saying "YouTube" highlights?

there is actually plenty of people on youtube that cut the crap out of every game and just show every play back to back. 20 min vids or show. One play complete then it goes straight into about 1 second before the snap of the next play.

Espn go is good, although not sure you Americans have it, I have access to all college games.

[BmoreBird22]

This is the 9 that most likely makes the roster unless Hurst goes on IR. Jah Reid and AQ Shipley have their work cut out for themselves.

That wouldn't be 9 if Hurst goes to IR, not that he will