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The offensive line woes are greatly exaggerated.

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Yeah, last year the offensive line was a complete mess. But when you look the causes, it was having an inexperienced center who couldn't match up against nose tackles trying to lead the line while a new scheme was being implemented. Also, KO got hurt. And because of this, the middle of the line simply couldn't stop anyone, making it impossible to run and letting blitzers get through easily.

So, the Ravens fixed that by getting Zuttah, an above average center that didn't give up a sack at center or guard. Also, KO is back and seems to be healthy. When you actually look at the lineup, the Ravens have a top ten LT, two solid guards, and a good center now. The only question mark is right tackle... and then people started acting like right tackle is the most important position on the offensive line and without a star playing that position, the line is just going to collapse. Take a good look at the starting right tackles around the league. You don't see many high end draft picks or well known players among the group. And for backups, it gets even worse. Oher is above average for the position.

Going into a season with 4 proven starters on the line is not a bad position to be in, at all. In fact, even with Wagner is the starter, this line is better than the Texan's line was during most of Kubiak's run as their head coach. And to go with those starters, the Ravens added depth at center and guard in the draft, and there's cheap veteran right tackles the Ravens can get in free agency. Barring 2 or 3 starters going down, which would cripple any o-line in the league, the line will be fine.

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The offense last year, I feel, was completely out of sync, and that starts with the coaching. I think Caldwell was prompted to run a scheme that he wasn't entirely comfortable with. For several years now John has been trying to implement this zone-blocking scheme and Kubiak is just what the doctor ordered. Kubiak will really get this offense going, both in the run and pass games. The Ravens have expressed confidence in Rick Wagner, and at the moment right tackle is the only true question mark. Still, I would expect a veteran signing or two to bolster that group. We only have two pure tackles, after all. Osemele and Yanda are capable at tackle, but we'd prefer them to stay inside. The process is far from over.

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I agree with all three of you when  I heard we signed Hurst I was thrilled . Injuries and inexperience killed the line last year. add to that Castillo runs some of the most complicated pass protection and run blocking schemes which was another huge problem. I'm excited for the new season to start .

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Good post, RaineV1. Our O Line struggled last year, but it's hard to replace such a good center in Matt Birk with a Gino Gradkowski. That, to me, is one of the most overlooked reasons why our O-Line struggled. Now we add a proven center, which let alone will be a upgrade at the least. We had Monroe on a "one year rental." After finishing that year and locking him up, Monroe can have a full offseason with the guys. We still have Yanda, a solid guard. We get KO back, which will also help. RT is the question mark, but we have young guys and I am confident one of them will step up and do fairly well. We also added Crockett Gillmore, a tight end who can block, and Lorenzo Taliaferro, a running back who can block. I expect to see a much better offensive line come week 1 of the regular season compared to last years. 

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I think we are solid on O-line after a trade overhaul, getting Monroe and Zuttah.

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Yep, no need to panic. We are a little thin, but that will be fixed prior to the season.

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The Power of Positive Thinking

 

Nahhhhhhhh........You gotta start with where you were the previous year.

 

6-10 Post Draft

 

Yeah, last year the offensive line was a complete mess. But when you look the causes, it was having an inexperienced center who couldn't match up against nose tackles trying to lead the line while a new scheme was being implemented. Also, KO got hurt. And because of this, the middle of the line simply couldn't stop anyone, making it impossible to run and letting blitzers get through easily.

So, the Ravens fixed that by getting Zuttah, an above average center that didn't give up a sack at center or guard. Also, KO is back and seems to be healthy. When you actually look at the lineup, the Ravens have a top ten LT, two solid guards, and a good center now. The only question mark is right tackle... and then people started acting like right tackle is the most important position on the offensive line and without a star playing that position, the line is just going to collapse. Take a good look at the starting right tackles around the league. You don't see many high end draft picks or well known players among the group. And for backups, it gets even worse. Oher is above average for the position.

Going into a season with 4 proven starters on the line is not a bad position to be in, at all. In fact, even with Wagner is the starter, this line is better than the Texan's line was during most of Kubiak's run as their head coach. And to go with those starters, the Ravens added depth at center and guard in the draft, and there's cheap veteran right tackles the Ravens can get in free agency. Barring 2 or 3 starters going down, which would cripple any o-line in the league, the line will be fine.

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I think James Hurst is going to be this year's Marlon brown and the year before that Justin tucker but as a RT. have no clue why he didn't get drafted oh well ozzie got him now!  

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You are looking at the OL through purple glasses. You don't know how osemel will respond to his back problem. The center position is only marginally better and there is no replacement for oher. And that the starting rotation. There is no depth.

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Well put. As a draft need, the OL has been overhyped around here imo. Part of the problem was also a new OL coach coming in with conflicting terminology to what was used (so we had two coaches telling the players different stuff). And, like you say, Gino's inexperience not helping.

 

*Monroe should be improved.

*KO is back (pun not intended).

*Zuttah should be an upgrade on Gino for a lot of reasons. Not All-Pro, but an average C should be fine.

*We've gotten rid of one of the conflicting voices.

*Kubiak's scheme being a better fit for the ZBS than whatever it was Caldwell used.

 

And now, James Hurst may prove to be the biggest pickup of day three of the draft (almost certainly for the Ravens, but possibly for anyone - brave call I know). As GrimCoconut said in another thread, the OL depth chart projects to be a nice one.

 

LT: Monroe

LG: KO/Gino

C: Zutah/Urschel

RG: Yanda/Jensen

RT: Wagner/Hurst

 

With Hurst, KO, Gino and Urschel each covering at least two spots.

 

If our line's still hopeless after all that, I'll jump on the Castillo hate wagon. But I do see reasons to be excited.

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You are looking at the OL through purple glasses. You don't know how osemel will respond to his back problem. The center position is only marginally better and there is no replacement for oher. And that the starting rotation. There is no depth.

 

Say what now? I don't know if you noticed how bad Gino actually was, something like 33rd ranked in the league and that's ONLY because there wasn't enough tape on the backups around the league. Even if Zuttah is simply average that is a HUGE upgrade.

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You are looking at the OL through purple glasses. You don't know how osemel will respond to his back problem. The center position is only marginally better and there is no replacement for oher. And that the starting rotation. There is no depth.

The guy who didn't give up a single sack is only marginally better than the guy getting run over on every play?

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The guy who didn't give up a single sack is only marginally better than the guy getting run over on every play?

"Zutah, 28 in June, figures to replace Gino Gradkowski who was last in Pro Football Focus’ 2013 ratings for centers. Zuttah was 22nd in those same ratings." From 32nd to 22nd is marginally improved.

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"Zutah, 28 in June, figures to replace Gino Gradkowski who was last in Pro Football Focus’ 2013 ratings for centers. Zuttah was 22nd in those same ratings." From 32nd to 22nd is marginally improved.

Meh. PFF rankings don't really mean much. Zuttah didn't give up a single sack as a guard or center last season for the Bucs. That's far, far better than Gino.

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I agree, I'm not too worried about the OL. If things were bad once were into preseason I could see Osemele moving back to right tackle, and Urschel possibly playing LG. But, I doubt that will happen. I think RT will be a battle between Rick Wagner and James Hurst

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Meh. PFF rankings don't really mean much. Zuttah didn't give up a single sack as a guard or center last season for the Bucs. That's far, far better than Gino.

 

That doesn't mean he wasn't giving up pressure.  Sacks as a stat can be misleading.

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Monroe and Yanda are good players, but KO is coming of back surgery, we don't know how Zuttah will be able to fit in our OL and we left the RT spot vacant. Only 2 out of 5 positions are really set, the rest is very much uncertain. We also lack depth in OL unless someone believes, that Jah Reid, Shipley or Jensen will be able to help us out.

We're leaving things up to chance once again on offense, good luck with that. 

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That doesn't mean he wasn't giving up pressure.  Sacks as a stat can be misleading.

It's tough to get any kind of read from any kind of OL stats. OL play as a whole is such a group effort, especially for the ZBS. Individual stats don't factor in things like double-teaming or how the guys around him fare.

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It's tough to get any kind of read from any kind of OL stats. OL play as a whole is such a group effort, especially for the ZBS. Individual stats don't factor in things like double-teaming or how the guys around him fare.

 

I disagree, stats have meaning.  I just think you need to be looking at overall pressures and not just sacks.  And to that point, only Frederick, Myers, Mack, Gradkowski, and Wendell gave up more overall pressures than Zuttah, and they all did it on significantly more passing snaps.

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Just watched

and I'm fully convinced he could compete for the starting LG spot. I think we got a big time steal with this guy.
really like that rb
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I wouldn't say exaggerated let alone greatly. The O-Line has problems. Who knows if K.O. can return to form. No proven center which can be a position of dire straits again and the RT... Do we even have a RT? I mean Wagner might get his lunch handled worse than Oher in pass protection. I mean that's 3 of 5 positions that are question marks. 2 of them are big question marks right now. I'm banking that K.O. Get's back into his groove. I don't think Urschel will be starting for at least another year. I do like him as a potential starter and someone who can contribute but to say that in his first year is really grasping at straws. So yeah the O-Line is going to be pretty weak. There could be enormous problems if K.O. starts having chronic issues. I also think Hurst can play after a year or two. To say the O-Line problems is exaggerated is a grave mistake. Also I don't have high hopes on Zuttah. I mean that goes without saying but don't tell me he's going to be amazing. Better than Gino yeah but he is a big question mark right now.

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I think James Hurst is going to be this year's Marlon brown and the year before that Justin tucker but as a RT. have no clue why he didn't get drafted oh well ozzie got him now!  

Injury. If he comes back he could be a solid RT. He won't play until next year though.

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There were legit concerns heading into Free Agency, that is much certain. Keeping Monroe was the anchor to continue to right this ship. Getting back a healthy KO ... getting Zuttah ... Yanda is Yanda. The battle for RT will be an interesting competition that I can't wait for. 

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There were legit concerns heading into Free Agency, that is much certain. Keeping Monroe was the anchor to continue to right this ship. Getting back a healthy KO ... getting Zuttah ... Yanda is Yanda. The battle for RT will be an interesting competition that I can't wait for. 

I doubt there is a battle. KO moves to RT and we have a competition between Urschel, Gradkowski, and Shipley for starting LG.

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I think James Hurst is going to be this year's Marlon brown and the year before that Justin tucker but as a RT. have no clue why he didn't get drafted oh well ozzie got him now!

This guy is hurt and went undrafted for a reason. We are playing Russian roulette with the OL. The quality of the offense depends on the quality of the OL and we are very unsettled at the OL positions other than left tackle. Yanda had a tough year after shoulder surgery. Is that fixed?

HUrst:

"STRENGTHS Very good size. Smart and instinctive -- understands angles. Good leg drive as a run blocker -- is tough and aggressive. Competes hard and flashes some nastiness. Plays with a chip on his shoulder. Alert to see the blitz and feel stunts and switch off blocks. Experienced, four-year starter. Works hard and the game is very important to him.

WEAKNESSES Average athletic ability and agility. Tends to lunge, bend at the waist and get overextended. Is heavy-footed and struggles to adjust to quick, inside counters. Gets jarred, knocked off balance and at times collapsed and lifted off the ground by power-leverage rushers. Tends to shoot his hands wide of his target in pass protection and will give up the edge. Is late to reach the second level and connect in space. Has a fast metabolism and some trouble maintaining weight. Tied for the lightest offensive lineman at the combine and pro-day results were marginal at best, posting a poor 40 time (5.61 seconds) and vertical jump (22 inches).

DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 6-7

BOTTOM LINE A wide-bodied, overachieving, college left tackle more ideally suited for the right side in the pros. Is football smart, gritty and competitive enough to battle for a job, but would be an ideal backup swing tackle on a strong offensive line and might even benefit from kicking inside where he'd have help on each side. Lack of foot quickness, agility and lower-body explosion could be restricting."

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I doubt there is a battle. KO moves to RT and we have a competition between Urschel, Gradkowski, and Shipley for starting LG.

 

Well Ive been saying it all along that I want to see KO moved to RT, and yes there would be no competition. But I'm not so sure we're actually going to move him to RT .. I hope we do. 

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Just watched John Urschel vs Minnesota on youtube and I'm fully convinced he could compete for the starting LG spot. I think we got a big time steal with this guy.

 

that was Minnesota lets not get ahead of ourselves. He'll have an opportunity but I have no expectations for him to start.

 

KO left guard. And Wagner RT.

 

Hopefully we can get something out of David Mimms too

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Injury. If he comes back he could be a solid RT. He won't play until next year though.

You obviously don't know injuries, and that's okay, but don't try to act like you do. A broken leg takes roughly four months, and sometimes that can be shortened depending on the age and health of the person. Hurst is 22(?) and in excellent condition. His leg should be fully healed by now and he'll be ready to go for camp.

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