[News] Eisenberg: League Drafts Offense, Ravens Draft Defense

[Crimson Raven]

Well, until we pick again, I'm going to watch NFL Top 10 Draft Classes. Always love our 1996 draft class.

[CapoRocky]

Agree to Disagree. The point is that all of us wants our team to succeed. We want to be champions even though we all have different ideas of getting there. The fact is no one champion does it the same, but are still champions at the end of the day.

 

When your criterion is a winning season even 8 and 8 isn't acceptable, too.

[Ravens69]

You are right, we haven't. Maybe that was never the intention. The only thing the FO ever said was that they were going to get bigger and better on the interior, and they brought in Zuttah to do that. Frankly, we haven't had a quality RT in years anyway, including the year we won the SB, so I don't think its nearly as big of an issue as fans think.

They may have to pay attention to the fans, but the fans don't tell them what to do or how to build a team, and they definitely don't care about what prospects fans like.

Oher was at least servicable.  Right now, according to depth chart we have Rick Wagner as the starting RT.  I understand that there will be cuts on other teams, undrafted free agents, etc. But are you really suggesting that the we could not get a o linemen that woudl have the roster?

[devilsadvocate1]

Gotta trust our front office, but it seems like we are getting guys who are dropping because of health questions. Never like that.

[ravens4life86]

2 picks left...

Well Im almost certain O lineman is coming via free agency now.

You got a RB, now pick up a WR if Coleman is still there get him..

Or a CB, we cant bank on Asa not flunking another test let alone being as good as Graham, Chykie Brown is situational player

[TheConquerorWorm]

another slow running back this guy ran a 4.68 40 time lol this is a joke

Check your facts. He ran a 4.58 and had the best 3 cone time. Carlos Hyde & Jeremy Hill ran a 4.66. In fact, he was almost exactly like West in all combine measurables. I'm sure the scouts and FO did their homework (by studying coaches film, not pulling up a clip on YouTube) unlike some on this board. 

 

But his biggest asset is that he played in a zone scheme very similar to the Ravens. A Ferrari is better than a Ford pick-up unless you have to haul a ton of bricks while pulling a boat.

[riseNConquer81]

I'm not concerned about the defense... I just understand what we are doing.

we all understand what they're doing: continuing to neglect the offense both in the present and future as they always do until it gets so terrible that they HAVE to do something about it. Understanding that doesnt make it a smart thing to do.

We might have eight players, but if 6 of them can't play (and frankly none of them have shown they can so far), then it doesn't matter how many we have.

Upshaw is a consistent and reliable run stopper. McPhee has played great at end and is a borderline starter, only reason he wasnt on the field much last year is because coaching staff is experimenting and trying to turn him into an OLB. Cody hasnt lived up to expectations, but he isnt an abhorrent failure either. i dont know where you're getting this "they havent shown they can play" stuff from, i think its jut your favorite thing to say whether its true or not.

And i dont see how bringing in more unknown quantities to add to the ones you already have solves anything. you're trying valiantly and i applaud you for that: but there's no rational justification for ignoring our offense in this draft.

I haven't trusted the Ravens offensive line in well over five years, and we've still managed to do pretty well during that period.

Even during a SB season, no realistic fan could say that they felt "confident" in our O-line.

well that's your personal opinion, but it doesnt make sense, i'd say you were the unrealistic one here.

we had two pro-bowl guards flanking a solid center in Birk, and a reliable, serviceable tackle in Oher on one side or the other. only real problem we've had these past few years is LT, never filled that void when Ogden left.

Put it this way... from my perspective, we appear to have four quality offensive line starters. That's about the maximum that any team in this league can ask for. We might be and probably will be weak at one position, but that's been the case with the Ravens offensive line for as long as I can remember.

i appreciate the glass half full approach, but realistically: we have 2 quality starters at LT and RG, and two more pretty good guards who may not (actually, probably wont, given how this draft has gone) play guard at all and hope to turn out to be a serviceable center and ok RT.

[BmoreBirds22]

The pick would have made better since in the 5th or 6th round.  We may have had a better TE, too.  I am happy with Mosley, Jerrigan, and Brooks.  Less than happy with the rest.  It all balances out though.  Urban has a lot of competition and we still need help at OL and WR.

were good at wr for now , Steve smith and a healthy Dennis pitta will give us a huge boost to our passing attack plus good young Torrey and marlon who led our team in tds as a undrafted rookie yet all he gets is disrespect from us . Chris canty is old , unimpressive as well and urban is a 6:7 disruptive DE who's very low risk high reward , high potential pick . But I agree that the Crockett pick was the one pick that made me super furious to pass on Pierre desir like that , smh .

[riseNConquer81]

Isn't every draft pick an "if"? We don't know how any of these guys are going to pan out.

yes they are, and yes you dont. which is why its good to not drop all your eggs in Wagner basket, because IF he doesnt pan out, we're screwed. If none of these excessive DLs we're picking up work out, we're still gonna be fine there. how do people not get this?

[aruba1]

Left end and right end are the same position: End. you dont need 4 of them. and in a 3-4 defense you certainly dont need a 4 deep DT chart. In base 3-4 you might use 2 or 3 DTs on occasion in special sub packages, but more often than not, if we arent on the goal line or blocking a field goal, we'll only be using one.

and why do we always keep so many lineman? look at the list that i commented on they were all on the roster last year plus arthur jones who was not even listed. do you really think you will survive in the NFL with only 5 defensive lineman? you need multiple bodies to rotate in at different positions.

[riseNConquer81]

Well using that logic the season must start tomorrow and we cant sign any veterans late in the offseason like Corey Graham, Bernard Pollard, Vonte Leach or Ricky WIlliams like we have before

Vonta Leach plays a position the current league doesnt value anymore, getting a lead blocker anytime you feel like it isnt hard in 2014.

Corey was brought here to play special team, not because we needed a starting corner. he just happened to turn out to be a competent defender, and even when he started getting PT, he was still just the nickel back.

Ricky Williams, again, a back up. not some one we brought here to be a critical starter.

Pollard is your one good example to stand on here, and that does not counter all the bad ones. sorry.

[riseNConquer81]

and why do we always keep so many lineman? look at the list that i commented on they were all on the roster last year plus arthur jones who was not even listed. do you really think you will survive in the NFL with only 5 defensive lineman? you need multiple bodies to rotate in at different positions.

we do it every year. all those guys werent on the roster. some were on IR, some on the practice squad, others inactive every week.

You get 45 men on game day...just think logically for a minute about all the guys you need to play a full football game and how many of each you can fit into a list of 45.

2 Quarterbacks

4 Rbs

7 OLs

3 tight ends

5 Receivers

4 Safeties

5 corners

8 linebackers

thats 38 guys right there.

leaves you 7 spots max for DLs, and i dont think we activate 7 DLs every sunday. Most likely we bring 8 OLs and another corner/receiver for special teams.

[brutt3raven]

Vonta Leach plays a position the current league doesnt value anymore, getting a lead blocker anytime you feel like it isnt hard in 2014.

Corey was brought here to play special team, not because we needed a starting corner. he just happened to turn out to be a competent defender, and even when he started getting PT, he was still just the nickel back.

Ricky Williams, again, a back up. not some one we brought here to be a critical starter.

Pollard is your one good example to stand on here, and that does not counter all the bad ones. sorry.

Well what postion do we need a starter for besides RT? I mean we can't have a pro bowler at every position but if thats goal then that is just unrealistic

[riseNConquer81]

Well what postion do we need a starter for besides RT? I mean we can't have a pro bowler at every position but if thats goal then that is just unrealistic

can you help me understand why we're ignoring right tackle? right tackle is kind of important.

and in a year or 2 when Smith is retired and Daniels is gone, we will once again, need more pass catchers. And that's assuming nothing happens to them this season.

[ravens4life86]

WR or CB... Get Coleman 6"6 225 if hes still there.

Brandon Coleman best remaining WR large target WR

Get CB after Victor Hampton

[ravens4life86]

4 Picks away... Coleman still there.

Still several solid CBs

[brutt3raven]

can you help me understand why we're ignoring right tackle? right tackle is kind of important.

and in a year or 2 when Smith is retired and Daniels is gone, we will once again, need more pass catchers. And that's assuming nothing happens to them this season.

You speak like this the last draft ever, and im not ignoring right tackle i just accept the fact the draft is not the only place to get players. Some will get cut and we can sign one.

[cobrajet]

yes they are, and yes you dont. which is why its good to not drop all your eggs in Wagner basket, because IF he doesnt pan out, we're screwed. If none of these excessive DLs we're picking up work out, we're still gonna be fine there. how do people not get this?

I have your back 100% because I fully agree with you on this. People are not getting the fact that even if Wagner is OK, our backup is Jah Reid. If this does not scare people I just do not get it.

[ravens4life86]

If Coleman is there take him

[ravens4life86]

1 pick away

[Crimson Raven]

John Urschel to Ravens.

[ravens4life86]

FINALLY!!!!

[ravens4life86]

O line John Urschel G

[Ravens3]

Literally the smartest guy in the draft.

 

[Crimson Raven]

This draft is starting to shape up into a lethal bunch. Kudos Ozzie.

[ravens4life86]

Man Whiners drafted like 4 CBs in a row, we cant even draft 1 WR please get Coleman WR. And get a CB somehow. Unsigned FAs or other.

[ravens4life86]

4 picks away.. Get Coleman WR if there

[ravens4life86]

Brandon Coleman no.1 on mels big board has been for little while.. Get this 6'6 225 WR

[ravens4life86]

If KC doesnt right here

[Ravens07]

Probably CB here.