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Ravens & FSU Fans RE: Jernigan and Brooks

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Ravens are getting an absolute animal.  I could not be more excited.  Was the best player on the best defense in the country last year and the key player that made the defense run.  He was a leader on the field, VERY clean off the field and he is a mean SOB.

 

Watch this GIF of an example of his competitiveness.  

 

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1597275/TimmyJudo.gif

 

FSU asked him to play a lot of NT in our 3-4 this year which he did well but that led to a lack of stats as he was double teamed every play. 

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Ravens are getting an absolute animal.  I could not be more excited.  Was the best player on the best defense in the country last year and the key player that made the defense run.  He was a leader on the field, VERY clean off the field and he is a mean SOB.

 

Watch this GIF of an example of his competitiveness.  

 

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1597275/TimmyJudo.gif

 

FSU asked him to play a lot of NT in our 3-4 this year which he did well but that led to a lack of stats as he was double teamed every play. 

 

All may be true but we have so much depth on the D line - we're ignoring offense yet again and we have serious needs on that side of the ball.

 

All we ever give the offense are the scrub picks. It's getting beyond old now especially after we were told how now we were going to build our offense like we did defense for so many years.

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All may be true but we have so much depth on the D line - we're ignoring offense yet again and we have serious needs on that side of the ball.

 

All we ever give the offense are the scrub picks. It's getting beyond old now especially after we were told how now we were going to build our offense like we did defense for so many years.

 

I agree but who did you want to take?  Lee was gone.  None of the other wideouts jump out as a good pick.  We dont need a TE and I liked Kouandijo but he was gone.  No OL worth the pick at that point.

 

I wanted Martin in rd 1 but he was taken.  Ozzie has taken 2 good players instead of two reaches for need.

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Nose Tackle is another underrated position. If you have a great one, your D is set compete. We haven't stuffed the run like we have in years past, and losing Art Jones would've left us depleted. I don't know if he takes Brandon William's spot, or if Williams can play DE next to him. Suggs, Ngata, Jernigan, Williams, and Upshaw is a lot of beef.

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All may be true but we have so much depth on the D line - we're ignoring offense yet again and we have serious needs on that side of the ball.

 

All we ever give the offense are the scrub picks. It's getting beyond old now especially after we were told how now we were going to build our offense like we did defense for so many years.

 

I agree!  And this is why I'm not buying into all of the hype of our off-season moves and addition for the offense.  They mean nothing to me at this point UNTIL I see them on the field in the first 3 games.  Then, I'll know what we're working with!

 

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I agree!  And this is why I'm not buying into all of the hype of our off-season moves and addition for the offense.  They mean nothing to me at this point UNTIL I see them on the field in the first 3 games.  Then, I'll know what we're working with!

 

#Mili

 

Outside of Rice, Flacco & Torrey - I'm trying to think if we've been successful drafting offense. Perhaps Ozzie doesn't have that "magic" on that side of the ball.

 

I don't know - we had a shot at a decent Safety or TE with our #17 but we go Mosely - who could very well turn out to be a great pick - I just don't see it.

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Outside of Rice, Flacco & Torrey - I'm trying to think if we've been successful drafting offense. Perhaps Ozzie doesn't have that "magic" on that side of the ball.

 

I don't know - we had a shot at a decent Safety or TE with our #17 but we go Mosely - who could very well turn out to be a great pick - I just don't see it.

 

 

Jamal Lewis, Priest Holmes, Ben Grubbs, Marshal Yanda, Brandon Stockley, Todd Heap just to name a few others.

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Jamal Lewis, Priest Holmes, Ben Grubbs, Marshal Yanda, Brandon Stockley, Todd Heap just to name a few others.

 

Yanda - I knew I was forgetting someone still playing on the team.

 

Holmes was an undrafted FA. Lewis was 14 years ago.

 

Grubbs - 7 years ago. Heap - 13 years ago.

 

Maybe it is time to focus on offense in the earlier rounds.

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Jamal Lewis, Priest Holmes, Ben Grubbs, Marshal Yanda, Brandon Stockley, Todd Heap just to name a few others.

 

lol!  All of those cats were picks back in the day.  She's talking about now...in the present brah!  lol!

 

Yanda - I knew I was forgetting someone still playing on the team.

 

Holmes was an undrafted FA. Lewis was 14 years ago.

 

Grubbs - 7 years ago. Heap - 13 years ago.

 

Maybe it is time to focus on offense in the earlier rounds.

 

Again, I agree!  I am a HUGE stickler for a solid, fierce and ferocious defense however, the Ravens offense is lagging behind and we need to make up for that in FA and the draft.  We seem to always go defense heavy opposed to looking to load up the offense as well.  nothing has seem to change in this years draft.  Smh!

 

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Yanda - I knew I was forgetting someone still playing on the team.

 

Holmes was an undrafted FA. Lewis was 14 years ago.

 

Grubbs - 7 years ago. Heap - 13 years ago.

 

Maybe it is time to focus on offense in the earlier rounds.

 

 

wait Holmes was undrafted?  dang who did I confuse him with Musa Smith.  There's also Jermaine Lewis if your counting special teams.

 

We typically do alright with running backs and linemen.  Its WRs where I get worried. Ever since Mark Clayton I prefer us to go after free agents. Torrey was an iffy pick that turned out great.

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Love this pick. He is a beast, he dominated when i saw him. Goes all OUT. Ravens need dline. Loss depth with Jones and Cody. Ngata might be hanging it up soon and expect his snaps to decline as well. Between Mosely and Jernigan they got much tougher and high motor guys who are winners. Great draft on paper, lets see how it really plays out.

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lol!  All of those cats were picks back in the day.  She's talking about now...in the present brah!  lol!

 

 

 

Ravens have only been a franchise for 18 years

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Ravens have only been a franchise for 18 years

 

That line gets old man!  lol!  18 years is long enough and the Ravens are an "older" franchise now.  No excuses!  lol!

 

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He's a ST player. Period.

Sure, that's why he had a 2nd round rating and ESPN called him a "steal" for us. You just go ahead and feel negative. Everything I'm reading is telling me otherwise. My only concern is his concussion history.

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I really like Brooks for us, he is that rangy guy on the back end who we need. Love that pick. Jernigan will be fun as a DE for us as well and I have a feeling he will be a solid blue collar guy for us. 2 really good picks

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Sure, that's why he had a 2nd round rating and ESPN called him a "steal" for us. You just go ahead and feel negative. Everything I'm reading is telling me otherwise. My only concern is his concussion history.

 

What I read - I thought it was only the one concussion that caused him to miss both times - but it is kind of vague so it could have been more than one.

 

  • Although he gets into position to finish the play by making an interception, his hands are remarkably poor. After examining every 2013 snap, Brooks dropped at least four interceptions that hit him in the hands. During an interview at the Senior Bowl, I asked Brooks what area he needs to improve upon the most, and he said his hands.
  • Didn’t play in man coverage more than a handful of times a game, if that. It was difficult to get a sense for his change of direction ability because he was rarely asked to play man.

He was a ST player for his first two years. He played more SS than FS in his junior and senior year. Not sure that he's going to be such an upgrade from Elam.

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He can learn to catch if he doesn't have stone hands. Breaking up the pass is more important than getting picks, although picks are definitely game-changers.

Strengths

Fluid and flexible. Pedals and transitions smoothly. Has cornerback speed -- plays fast and covers ground. Has a 38-inch vertical jump. Patrols zones with awareness and anticipation to react to threats. Keys quickly, trusts his eyes and does not hesitate. Aggressive in run support -- swoops down with urgency, runs the alley and plays with abandon. Dependable makeup -- solid character. Tough and durable. Has ability and mentality to contribute on special teams.

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What I read - I thought it was only the one concussion that caused him to miss both times - but it is kind of vague so it could have been more than one.

 

  • Although he gets into position to finish the play by making an interception, his hands are remarkably poor. After examining every 2013 snap, Brooks dropped at least four interceptions that hit him in the hands. During an interview at the Senior Bowl, I asked Brooks what area he needs to improve upon the most, and he said his hands.
  • Didn’t play in man coverage more than a handful of times a game, if that. It was difficult to get a sense for his change of direction ability because he was rarely asked to play man.

He was a ST player for his first two years. He played more SS than FS in his junior and senior year. Not sure that he's going to be such an upgrade from Elam.

 

That's kind of a moot point.  You very rarely ever ask your FS to play man coverage straight up.  Probably count on one hand how many times Ed played man coverage in a season when he moved to FS.

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First off as a Noles fan I couldn't be happier with the selection of Timmy and Brooks. But besides just being a fan, the Ravens really got two special players and both will help this defense get backinto the elite status.

As has already been touched on Timmy is better suited for the 3 tech, but because of his power, strength and being so stout at the point of attack we asked him to play a lot of nose and basically just eliminate the Center making it hard for teams to run. He's alot like Ngata for our system in the sense that he'll be able to move up and down the line at will. I've seen some people complain that this was a wasted pick because of our depth at the DL, well I strongly disagree because we don't currently have aguy as good as Timmy. Just knowing the upside of this guy, I think we more then replaced Art with this pick and if/when guys like Tyson, KPL and Williams continue to develop then great.

As for Brooks, anyone who thinks he's just a ST guy either hasn't seen the guy play and are just taking someone else's opinion(scouting report) as fact of you just simply don't understand football well enough imo because there is no way you can watch Brooks play and come away with the notion he's just a ST guy. He wasn't highly recruited out of HS and anyone who knows how spring practice works knows it's nearly impossible to be at the bottom of your recruiting class and get noticed in the spring. This is what lead to Brooks not seeing the much during his first 2 years. But even with a stacked FSU secondary Brooks forced his way into the field. Anyone who says he isn't good in man coverage I challenge you to go back and watch tape of 2011 when as a CB and watch his cover skills. He's smart, though, great football IQ, natural leader and a all around great guy. I can't remember what network it was but they called him a steal and I couldn't agree more. Imho the only reason Brooks isn't being talked about as ones ofthe top if not thy top FS in this draft is because he's still learning the position. He playedboth ways in HS as a WR/RB and CB, recruited to FSU as a CB and didn't start learning the FS position until 2012. He might end up being the best of the 3 defenders we've selected thus far and that's really saying something.

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As for Brooks, anyone who thinks he's just a ST guy either hasn't seen the guy play and are just taking someone else's opinion(scouting report) as fact of you just simply don't understand football well enough imo because there is no way you can watch Brooks play and come away with the notion he's just a ST guy. He wasn't highly recruited out of HS and anyone who knows how spring practice works knows it's nearly impossible to be at the bottom of your recruiting class and get noticed in the spring. This is what lead to Brooks not seeing the much during his first 2 years. But even with a stacked FSU secondary Brooks forced his way into the field. Anyone who says he isn't good in man coverage I challenge you to go back and watch tape of 2011 when as a CB and watch his cover skills. He's smart, though, great football IQ, natural leader and a all around great guy. I can't remember what network it was but they called him a steal and I couldn't agree more. Imho the only reason Brooks isn't being talked about as ones ofthe top if not thy top FS in this draft is because he's still learning the position. He playedboth ways in HS as a WR/RB and CB, recruited to FSU as a CB and didn't start learning the FS position until 2012. He might end up being the best of the 3 defenders we've selected thus far and that's really saying something.

Nice post, and although I recognise your bias I've highlighted a few things that I love the sound of. Forcing his way onto the team like that's really cool. Sounds like he's more than up to the challenge of taking that starting jersey off Stewart. How well do you think he could play CB in the pros at a pinch?

 

I don't want to claim him as "my" guy because I'm only one of a ton of people who really liked him before the draft. I've been watching his tape, but haven't seen any of the 2011 stuff yet. I love how well he moves in space, how instinctive he seems to be and although his tackling technique seems inconsistent I think he's shown enough flashes to be fine in a few years.

 

Brooks was the pick I was most excited about. Jernigan could end up being a delayed reflex, but I'm liking him more as well.

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Both Jernigan and Brooks will be great. Our defense will be real... we steal a cornerback with one of our four picks left and I say we have a defense that will definitely be in the Top 10, perhaps Top 5.

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What I read - I thought it was only the one concussion that caused him to miss both times - but it is kind of vague so it could have been more than one.

 

  • Although he gets into position to finish the play by making an interception, his hands are remarkably poor. After examining every 2013 snap, Brooks dropped at least four interceptions that hit him in the hands. During an interview at the Senior Bowl, I asked Brooks what area he needs to improve upon the most, and he said his hands.
  • Didn’t play in man coverage more than a handful of times a game, if that. It was difficult to get a sense for his change of direction ability because he was rarely asked to play man.

He was a ST player for his first two years. He played more SS than FS in his junior and senior year. Not sure that he's going to be such an upgrade from Elam.

 

I attended 15 games between the 2 years and watched every game at least twice and you are 100% wrong.  Joyner played SS in 2012 and brooks played FS.  In 2013, we played a funky multiple nickel defense with joyner playing as a nickel corner/box safety and Jalen Ramsey our freshman safety played up while brooks played a full Ed Reed type centerfield role this year.  was almost never in the box

 

Brooks came to FSU as a man corner.  He moved to safety to get playing time.  When he was going into his junior year, our secondary was this

 

CB Xavier Rhodes First round pick to the vikings in 2013

CB Greg Reid 5 star CB who got booted for 3rd weed violation, tore his ACL, surgery went wrong and had it redone and he still, 2 years later got signed by the Rams.  First freshman corner to start game 1 at FSU since Deion Sanders

S Lamarcus Joyner 41 overall pick to the rams 

S Was supposed to be Karlos Williams the #1 Safety in the country and a 6'2 225 pound 5 star and #5 overall player in the country.  His brother vince williams (Steelers ILB) was already a starter.  5'10 terrance brooks worked his tail off and beat out karlos in camp.  Despite Karlos' talent, brooks wont the job and kept it which ended up forcing karlos to RB where he will be drafted next year

 

Brooks didnt start because FSU has an insane amount of DB talent.  Rhodes went first rd.  joyner went second rd.  Greg reid would have been drafted.  Our CBs now PJ williams and darby are projected top 100 picks if they leave early.  Brooks was a low 3 star who went in and won a job.  basically the equivalent of our best UDFA coming out of nowhere and beating out a second rd pick and having us cut the second rounder

 

Brooks is not a physical safety.  He is not afraid of contact but he is undersized.  He got burned during the clemson game his junior year and there were questions over his coverage skills.  I dont think we got beat deep once the entire year this year with him playing a centerfield role.  He got the nickname showtime and he became a fan favorite among FSU fans.  He was our most improved player and became an elite safety for us.

 

The ravens have matt elam and need a centerfielder.  Brooks played the role very well on a national championship team and proved his athleticism at the combine.  He will be a great compliment to elam and a great third rounder

 

in general, I wish the ravens paid more attention to offense but please dont comment and say things like he played SS when you have no idea what you are talking about

 

I am not on this board too often but feel free to ask any questions about jernigan and brooks

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What I read - I thought it was only the one concussion that caused him to miss both times - but it is kind of vague so it could have been more than one.

 

  • Although he gets into position to finish the play by making an interception, his hands are remarkably poor. After examining every 2013 snap, Brooks dropped at least four interceptions that hit him in the hands. During an interview at the Senior Bowl, I asked Brooks what area he needs to improve upon the most, and he said his hands.
  • Didn’t play in man coverage more than a handful of times a game, if that. It was difficult to get a sense for his change of direction ability because he was rarely asked to play man.

He was a ST player for his first two years. He played more SS than FS in his junior and senior year. Not sure that he's going to be such an upgrade from Elam.

 

Oh boohoo, the safety has bad hands and not a lot of man coverage experience, therefore he's only a ST..... Lol c'mon

 

Anywho, super excited about these two. Going to watch tape eventually, but for now I'm just gonna be stoked because I hear good things about these two. 

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Outside of Rice, Flacco & Torrey - I'm trying to think if we've been successful drafting offense. Perhaps Ozzie doesn't have that "magic" on that side of the ball.

 

I don't know - we had a shot at a decent Safety or TE with our #17 but we go Mosely - who could very well turn out to be a great pick - I just don't see it.

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Tell ya this, though, this is a terrible draft pick unless we do go 4-3. I don't see this guy as a NT or a 3-4 DE in the NFL. From what I've seen and heard, he's the prototype  4-3 3 tech. 

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