The Vent Thread 2014 Draft

[kassaiscool]

The pick of Mosley is solid. The Ravens don't usually go for flash in the first round. We usually get someone who is a little more of a safe first round pick. The only problem with Mosley is his injury past and chance of future injury. With Arthur Brown and Mosley we will probably have the fastest inside linebacking unit in the nfl. People also have to realize the Ravens were aging team that won the super bowl, and we are in rebuilding phase right now whether the Ravens admit it or not. It will take a couple of years of good drafting to be the best again.

[redlobster]

I dont think mosley is much better than brown coming out, in fact I think I had brown higher. I imagine he will have similar issues to brown at the next level initially.

 

 

I personally feel bad for brown, I now wish he had gone to Houston or whoever else Baltimore traded in front to get. There is nothing more wasteful to me than drafting a potential impact rookie high and making or having them sit.

[redlobster]

Also I'm fine wit Mosley initially I was not happy wanted to get S 1st but we only had Smith Brown and Bynes on roster so we needed depth plus Smith is 32 plus let Smith teach Moseley and Brown and we should be set at ILB for years. I hate we missed on S but I think I'm fine with the pick

 

Sorry but I have never bought this garbage of letting a vet "Teach" a rookie, it rarely if ever actually happens like that, because honestly who wants to train their replacement? IMO unless you can land a Ray lewis, Kuchely,Willis, or another top player at ILB you can find talent much later, as evidenced by the many UDFA that have come to Baltimore and thrived at ILB ( scott, mcclain, bynes, ellerbe).

[BmoreBird22]

Sorry but I have never bought this garbage of letting a vet "Teach" a rookie, it rarely if ever actually happens like that, because honestly who wants to train their replacement? IMO unless you can land a Ray lewis, Kuchely,Willis, or another top player at ILB you can find talent much later, as evidenced by the many UDFA that have come to Baltimore and thrived at ILB ( scott, mcclain, bynes, ellerbe).

Believe it or not, veterans want these players to succeed and are willing to help them

[redlobster]

Believe it or not, veterans want these players to succeed and are willing to help them

 

I'm pretty cynical in that aspect and don't largely buy that IMO.

[izvoodoo]

I'm pretty cynical in that aspect and don't largely buy that IMO.

Vets will talk about that.  It's a good way to prolong their career, to make sure that the players at that position are knowledgeable of the system and their responsibilities.  

[The Mom Gene]

I personally feel bad for brown, I now wish he had gone to Houston or whoever else Baltimore traded in front to get. There is nothing more wasteful to me than drafting a potential impact rookie high and making or having them sit.

If you listened to the presser, I don't believe they intend to "sit" Mosley.....  or Brown.   We'll see....  You got a couple of inside and outside LB's that are going to be moving around a bit...  But it's the belief of the coaching staff that this guy is a 3 down linebacker.

[balfan23]

He's going to start from Day 1.  Bynes has seen his last down on defense, Brown will see time in the nickel and Mosley will play beside Smith from the start.

This is the first Day 1 starter we've taken who will start because of talent alone since Grubbs.

Another thing people are overlooking I think is the leadership standpoint for Mosley.  This is the guy who will run the defense when Smith is gone and the guy who will be that kind of "it" guy for the defense when Ngata and Suggs are gone.  When Suggs leaves there's going to be a real void from those nasty defenses of the past.  Mosley has the ability to keep it going and have teams be wary of where he is on the field.

I think he's a player, but I think the item I bolded is the real difference ... it is what made us place him at 10 on our boards. Many will say that ILB is a devalued position, but those who play the position that can effectively take on the role of the "QB of the defense" - they have great value and are absolutely critical in terms of reacting to what the opposing QB is doing. 

 

This move is not a complete dismissal of Brown and his viability as much as it is probably a recognition that we don't see him as taking on that specific role after Smith moves on. That is likely what we have in mind for C.J.

[The Mom Gene]

The pick of Mosley is solid. The Ravens don't usually go for flash in the first round. We usually get someone who is a little more of a safe first round pick. The only problem with Mosley is his injury past and chance of future injury. With Arthur Brown and Mosley we will probably have the fastest inside linebacking unit in the nfl. People also have to realize the Ravens were aging team that won the super bowl, and we are in rebuilding phase right now whether the Ravens admit it or not. It will take a couple of years of good drafting to be the best again.

AGREED....  So many people aren't seeing the forest for the trees.  It's a business, and these guys are working to build a team that can win championships.  This person (me) doesn't believe they care if there are feelings hurt.  If we drafted based on feelings we might have had the #1 pick this year.  I have learned over the years that this team is accustomed to winning.  All of us are accustomed to that.  Listening to all of them this offseason, it appears that they were/are going after whoever it would take to make this team compeititive again.  They're not done yet.....

[The Raven]

Sorry but I have never bought this garbage of letting a vet "Teach" a rookie, it rarely if ever actually happens like that, because honestly who wants to train their replacement? IMO unless you can land a Ray lewis, Kuchely,Willis, or another top player at ILB you can find talent much later, as evidenced by the many UDFA that have come to Baltimore and thrived at ILB ( scott, mcclain, bynes, ellerbe).

 

How, as a Ravens fan who has seen it reported that Mason, Boldin, Heap, Birk, Lewis, Ngata, Suggs, Flacco, Reed, Webb, etc have taught rookies, do you honestly think that? 

[Underdogsontop!]

Typical of fans to want the flashy players in the 1st round. Saying give flacco weapons, and Mosley was not a need. Only weapon flacco will be missing from our SB run is Anquan. Pitta is back this year, I'm confident with Steve's smiths passion he has some fire left in him, oz resigned jacoby, and we still got Torrey smith. The draft has just began, there's more prospects and weapons to be had and people are losing faith. This is a great organization and since the ravens became the ravens they won 2 Super Bowls which is dam impressive to me.You could disagree with all the comparisons for Mosley all you want, but he'll be himself and one day he will be used as a comparison. Some of you are losing faith in Arthur brown too, he could play OLB also. He played their in college too. I'm passionate just like you folks, sometimes you have to take a break, relax and let the professionals do thei job. If not, go be a browns or jaguar fan, they get all the flashy picks and what does it do for them??

RAVENS ALL DAY! In Ozzie we trust!

[flynismo]

you should know by now criticism of a player or staff member even when backed up with a solid argument just doesn't fly here.

Problem is, we are still waiting for a legitimate argument against taking Mosley. He isn't a need? We still have 7 more draft picks to address those. He was clearly BPA, so it's not like we can say so-and-so was better.

We can say his injury history is a concern, rightfully so, but we were assured by the FO that he checked out okay medically, and we have done well historically drafting guys who stayed healthy.

[RaineV1]

The way I see it, Daryl Smith is getting up there in age and has been in the league for over a decade in a very physical position. He'll likely only be around two more seasons and the Ravens just got his replacement a bit early. Ravens keep Smith for the next two seasons. Smith and Brown will be the starters at first as Mosley develops, and then Mosley will take the job from Smith as the main starter opposite of Brown.

 

So now, for the next eight or nine years, the Ravens 3-4 defense will have two ILBs that can blitz, stuff the run, chase people down from one sideline to the other, and are good at reading and reacting. That's going to be tough for other teams to gameplan around.

[flynismo]

Who says ILB isn't important or devalued? Look at the best defenses in the league and the impact their ILB make on their defenses and come back to me.

[redlobster]

How, as a Ravens fan who has seen it reported that Mason, Boldin, Heap, Birk, Lewis, Ngata, Suggs, Flacco, Reed, Webb, etc have taught rookies, do you honestly think that? 

 

Because I don't believe all the political correctness. Do you really think for the most part a player will just come out and say , " I will not help this rookie learn to play the position I play?"

[Moderator 3]

I think most of the vets want to win now. If the rookie lining up next to him needs help for the team to win, the vet will help.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Who says ILB isn't important or devalued? Look at the best defenses in the league and the impact their ILB make on their defenses and come back to me.

I know its ridiculous. Fans of the franchise that built and sustained excellence on the play and leadership of an inside linebacker, discrediting the pick of one of the best prospects at the position in years... probably the best since kuechly (sp?).

Were you all sleeping for the past 18 years when we were busy have one of the most consistently dominant defenses? Even if so, have you not been paying attention as teams like the 49ers and Carolina have been establishing that sort of play on the foundation of dominant play at the position?

The kid can play, is a leader, and personally was my #8 rated prospect. We got him 9 picks later. Value, near future need, tackle machine, football IQ.... hes a foundational building block. You all throw BPA around like some catch phrase that makes you sound like you have any clue as to what youre talking about, but then when it happens you complain bc it didn't fill a need.

If Mosley has a similar impact that Urlacher had in Chicago, Kuechly's having in Carolina, Bowman/Willis have had in San Fran, or dare I say it, Ray Lewis had here in our hometown - will you still knock the pick??

No, you wont.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

Who says ILB isn't important or devalued? Look at the best defenses in the league and the impact their ILB make on their defenses and come back to me.

Right. Look at the impact Navarro Bowman, Patrick Willis, Lavonte David, Luke Kuechly, Lawrence Timmons, Vontaze Burfict, etc. All of these players had a huge impact on their respective teams and with the way they play defense.

[Sami84]

Cj Mosely was BPA. Actualy if any of you remember daryl smith coming out of college thats who i compare him to. Smith became a coverage monster as he developed. Oh and in my eyes Daryl Smith has been a pro bowler for years. Just with the wrong team.

 

btw every team has its weakpoint. FOr us it probably will be free safety. I predict we pick up a RT or WR in this round.

 

None of the free safeties in this draft impress me much

[Alexir]

Was it the sexy pick? YES

 

Was is the BPA? YES

 

Is it the right pick? YES

 

Fixed.

 

When Blount and Bell are coming through to the next level, we have a sure tackler and a guy who can disrupt the backfield by blowing past guards. I love this pick.

 

Giggle Clinton-Dix maybe fast and cover a lot of ground, but he's an Ed Reed tackler. Drags behind people until they fall. A little undersized for FS and that was fine for Ed Reed but he was ball hawk. Chuckle Clinton-Dix is no Ed Reed. I would not have taken him in the top 20, apparently NFL front offices felt the same way.

[Alexir]

Cj Mosely was BPA. Actualy if any of you remember daryl smith coming out of college thats who i compare him to. Smith became a coverage monster as he developed. Oh and in my eyes Daryl Smith has been a pro bowler for years. Just with the wrong team.

 

btw every team has its weakpoint. FOr us it probably will be free safety. I predict we pick up a RT or WR in this round.

 

None of the free safeties in this draft impress me much

 

Agree. I see us taking TE or Guard here (moving KO to RT). Comp pick will be Terrance West!!! Crossing fingers.

[JO_75]

5 injuries in 4 yrs is a red flag. There's no sugar coating it. He mighy be ok now, but hos body could easily give up on him a lot earlier than someone that hasn't had any injuries based on past history.

I wouldnt be surprised if after 6 8 years in the league if hes virtually done due to a broken down body.

 

If we can get a great 6-8 years out of him that come with more Lombardi trophies then I'll take it.

[JO_75]

Cj Mosely was BPA. Actualy if any of you remember daryl smith coming out of college thats who i compare him to. Smith became a coverage monster as he developed. Oh and in my eyes Daryl Smith has been a pro bowler for years. Just with the wrong team.

 

btw every team has its weakpoint. FOr us it probably will be free safety. I predict we pick up a RT or WR in this round.

 

None of the free safeties in this draft impress me much

 

WR yes, RT no. Part of me believes the Ravens will slot Ricky Wagner in at RT because they are content with him. I'm pretty much down to Tuitt/Hageman, or Jordan Matthews being the pick.

[display name]

I honestly have no problem with Mosley. He can play ILB or OLB, and I believe that Brown is only an MLB.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

Terrance West,  a born Raven! Go Tigers!!

[JO_75]

It is 5:30 and I'm venting about the time of the draft. Why are we waiting until 7PM for Day 2 to begin damn it. Let's get this going.....

[Inqui]

I honestly have no problem with Mosley. He can play ILB or OLB, and I believe that Brown is only an MLB.

I reckon Brown could play WLB really nicely too. If absolutely nothing else, I think selecting Mosley will allow us to mix up our looks.

[Inqui]

It is 5:30 and I'm venting about the time of the draft. Why are we waiting until 7PM for Day 2 to begin damn it. Let's get this going.....

Starts 11am for me. I'm thrilled.

[arnie_uk]

Problem is, we are still waiting for a legitimate argument against taking Mosley. He isn't a need? We still have 7 more draft picks to address those. He was clearly BPA, so it's not like we can say so-and-so was better.

We can say his injury history is a concern, rightfully so, but we were assured by the FO that he checked out okay medically, and we have done well historically drafting guys who stayed healthy.

came across a thread form April 14th where you shot down Mosley in the first. Even had a picture to go with it emphasising your point

[BmoreBird22]

Because I don't believe all the political correctness. Do you really think for the most part a player will just come out and say , " I will not help this rookie learn to play the position I play?"

Brett Favre