The Vent Thread 2014 Draft

[Ravensfan23]

I don't think it is so much pigeonholing him as a blocking TE as much as people feel he was picked for his blocking abilities. Since that isn't really a strength of either Daniels or Pitta. Doesn't mean he can't catch. Most everything I read on him says otherwise.

My biggest thing with him is that his weaknesses are listed as route running & gaining separation. We have a stable full of WRs with those issues already.

But you have to understand who we are as team and what offense we are running now. He fits what we want to do. We aren't looking for a WR in a TEs body. Would that be great to have? Of course but if this offense is built around the run game, and clearly we know from last season if you don't have the blocking up front then your offense is dead, that's even more true in this offense, way not build your team to reflect the that? A guy like Gilmore is really valuable in this offense and I wouldn't be surprised if it was Kubes was the person who pounded the table for Gilmore and because we wouldn't have been able to trade up in the 4th we just took him with 3rd round comp.

I think his route running is a weakness because he just switched to the position 2 years ago. Watching him at the East-West and Senior Bowl, his route running wasn't poor imo he's capable of getting open as a inline TE and his huge catch radius allows him to present a target to his QB even when the LB has good coverage. The route running and separation issues shows up once he moves away from the LOS. Being with Pitta and OD will help him improve in this area.

In "this offense" Gilmore has a chance to be really good. With the PA that'll create space for him to work against a LB or Safety with a two way go. The easiest way to overcome poor route running is to put a defender in space. Then you add his catch radius, soft hands and ability to fight through people to the ball. I think he'll definitely be a playmaker.

[1/28/01]

Put the Kool-Aid down! Serioudly, you've overdosed.

Get a grip.

I don't want to ruin your little fantasy world but, you know, we've had bad drafts before after the dust settles. More than once.

In fact, we've had losing seasons. More than once.

Who do you think drafted those players? Who made those teams? The same man doing it now.

Key word here being "man". He makes mistakes. He has bad drafts. And after every one of those bad drafts were people like you - this is going to be our best draft ever! And..they weren't.

It happens.

And, I have news. Not everyone so blindly falls in line - just because. Some actually have thoughts, brains and opinions all on their own. Shocking I know.

Even more shocking - sometimes, after the dust settles, those outlier opinions turn out to have merit. Hey go figure!

Why do you think people are salty? If they didn't give a crap about this team - then they wouldn't be salty would they?

This board is beginning to remind me of 1984. The book, not the year. Fall in line or be eliminated! Egad.

Smile

[Clutch Ravens]

I've been mulling this draft over for a while and here's my overall thoughts on each player:

 

Mosley, ILB, Alabama - I didn't like this pick because I think inside Linebackers, in today's NFL, have a limited impact compared to a lot of other positions. We finally had a relatively high pick and we took a guy I feel we could have taken in the 25-32 range after trading back and loading up on picks. I did have Mosley as the clear cut #1 ILB in the class, to be fair to him, but his medical red flags, the fact that he's an ILB and that I think we could've moved back for him, I don't like the pick.

 

Jernigan, DT, Florida State - He's a pretty good football player, but he failed the drugs test at the combine and was the only player to do so that didn't fall at least a couple of rounds. I don't like the value, again. I think we took him in the range he should've gone in pre-combine failure. I genuinely think that we could have moved back or waited until the third to take him. He's also an odd scheme fit for us. Quite like the player, don't like the value or fit.

 

Brooks, FS, Florida State - Good player, right range, good fit and filled a need. There's nothing I dislike about this pick. This is the sort of pick I'm used to seeing from our front office.

 

Gillmore, TE, Colorado State - Just, blegh. A #3 blocking tight end that we likely could've grabbed 2 rounds later. Completely indifferent on the player, completely disagree with the range. I feel there were better Tight Ends available so did not enjoy seeing this pick.

 

Urban, DT, Virginia - Another pick I don't like. Pedestrian player who I don't think was the best available at his position, much less the best player available. This, like the Gillmore pick and the following pick, irked me. I felt we were taking inferior players earlier than they should have gone. 

 

Taliaferro, RB, Coastal Carolina - Haven't seen tape on him because he played for such a small school. I feel there were better backs available if we had the position earmarked for this pick. Nothing I like about this pick, much like the previous two.

 

Urschel, G, Penn State - Solid value, solid interior lineman, versatile. Solid pick.

 

Wenning, QB, Ball State - Again, think there were better options and frustrated to see us take a prospect that I was totally indifferent towards. 

 

Campanaro, WR, Wake Forest - Like the pick. Solid slot receiver prospect. Don't like our receiving corps on the whole and was frustrated this was the only receiver we took.

 

My overall thought is that we had a decidedly average draft for where we were picking. Likely going to have a limited impact. I feel we could have still left the draft with our likely impact players (Mosley, Jernigan, Brooks) with a MUCH better supporting cast.

[ravensdfan]

Speaking in general - not towards you.

If you're foolish enough to think your expert opinion is of the same caliber of those who actually do this for a living, then you're foolish enough not to be taken seriously. So what's the point of assuming you know better? Not only that, but then the urge to whine about something you're not qualified to even speak on.

If someone got on a forum board that represents your job and what you do for a living, then posted how incompetent you are at what you do and criticized how bad you are at doing it, despite them having no experience, no understanding, no idea how to even do your job, i bet your double standard wouldn't apply then. I'd be willing to bet you wouldn't take what those people had to say seriously because how could you? In fact I'd even be willing to bet you would considered those people to be babbling, ignorant little idiots who don't know what the hell theyre talking about.

Minutes after the draft you have people saying how horrible this draft was as though they're experience at using the internet to look up other peoples opinions of prospects in order to form their own, gives them credibility to make that kind of ridiculous accusation. It's like saying Ray Lewis doesnt know how to play football because I know how to watch football, and then having the nerve to get out of the stands, walk on to the field, call timeout, go up to him, look him dead in his eyes and with a serious face try to teach him how to play.

Why does everybody have to be so negative all the time?? Always have to find something to complain about? Something to be upset over. It's never going to be good enough, ever!! Why?....What's the point of enjoying the Ravens if all you ever do is complain about them?

You all know who you are. If this team makes you so unhappy then go find a new one. I'm tired of the tiny minority of Ravens fans who only see the worst in our team, in our coaches, in our players, in our front office always complaining. Always voicing their opinions. You don't represent the majority. You just talk louder.

 

No one has said incompetent. (ok there is ONE guy, but he's been calling for Ozzie's head for a year now). What was said was he is not infallible. If you'd actually read the entire thread you'd know it wasn't even about talent.

 

Not even necessarily about this season - but down the road and throwing vets at the end of their career at the offense while the defense gets all the top picks.

 

Honestly this entire bowing down at the altar of Oz & lynching of anyone who even questions anything about the draft is ticking me off way more than ignoring offense in the draft.

 

It's over the top and ridiculous. Especially since we clearly saw evidence of his mistakes last season.

 

But you have to understand who we are as team and what offense we are running now. He fits what we want to do. We aren't looking for a WR in a TEs body. Would that be great to have? Of course but if this offense is built around the run game, and clearly we know from last season if you don't have the blocking up front then your offense is dead, that's even more true in this offense, way not build your team to reflect the that? A guy like Gilmore is really valuable in this offense and I wouldn't be surprised if it was Kubes was the person who pounded the table for Gilmore and because we wouldn't have been able to trade up in the 4th we just took him with 3rd round comp.

I think his route running is a weakness because he just switched to the position 2 years ago. Watching him at the East-West and Senior Bowl, his route running wasn't poor imo he's capable of getting open as a inline TE and his huge catch radius allows him to present a target to his QB even when the LB has good coverage. The route running and separation issues shows up once he moves away from the LOS. Being with Pitta and OD will help him improve in this area.

In "this offense" Gilmore has a chance to be really good. With the PA that'll create space for him to work against a LB or Safety with a two way go. The easiest way to overcome poor route running is to put a defender in space. Then you add his catch radius, soft hands and ability to fight through people to the ball. I think he'll definitely be a playmaker.

 

Oh I can agree. I've been reading & watching anything I can on him because it was actually one of the picks that I understood. Even though I thought we reached for him a bit. It's tough to really know about his route running & separation when you only really get highlight film though so I can only go by what I've read about him.

 

Fact is we did need a TE with some blocking skills. While his blocking might not be up there with Bajema, from what I can tell he should be more of a receiving threat.

 

Smile

 

I was. The vent had become more of a discussion really. I don't like those who think anyone who doesn't conform to their opinion should be shunned, stoned and run out of town.

 

It's just one of those things.

[BmoreBird22]

I've been mulling this draft over for a while and here's my overall thoughts on each player:

Mosley, ILB, Alabama - I didn't like this pick because I think inside Linebackers, in today's NFL, have a limited impact compared to a lot of other positions. We finally had a relatively high pick and we took a guy I feel we could have taken in the 25-32 range after trading back and loading up on picks. I did have Mosley as the clear cut #1 ILB in the class, to be fair to him, but his medical red flags, the fact that he's an ILB and that I think we could've moved back for him, I don't like the pick.

Jernigan, DT, Florida State - He's a pretty good football player, but he failed the drugs test at the combine and was the only player to do so that didn't fall at least a couple of rounds. I don't like the value, again. I think we took him in the range he should've gone in pre-combine failure. I genuinely think that we could have moved back or waited until the third to take him. He's also an odd scheme fit for us. Quite like the player, don't like the value or fit.

Brooks, FS, Florida State - Good player, right range, good fit and filled a need. There's nothing I dislike about this pick. This is the sort of pick I'm used to seeing from our front office.

Gillmore, TE, Colorado State - Just, blegh. A #3 blocking tight end that we likely could've grabbed 2 rounds later. Completely indifferent on the player, completely disagree with the range. I feel there were better Tight Ends available so did not enjoy seeing this pick.

Urban, DT, Virginia - Another pick I don't like. Pedestrian player who I don't think was the best available at his position, much less the best player available. This, like the Gillmore pick and the following pick, irked me. I felt we were taking inferior players earlier than they should have gone.

Taliaferro, RB, Coastal Carolina - Haven't seen tape on him because he played for such a small school. I feel there were better backs available if we had the position earmarked for this pick. Nothing I like about this pick, much like the previous two.

Urschel, G, Penn State - Solid value, solid interior lineman, versatile. Solid pick.

Wenning, QB, Ball State - Again, think there were better options and frustrated to see us take a prospect that I was totally indifferent towards.

Campanaro, WR, Wake Forest - Like the pick. Solid slot receiver prospect. Don't like our receiving corps on the whole and was frustrated this was the only receiver we took.

My overall thought is that we had a decidedly average draft for where we were picking. Likely going to have a limited impact. I feel we could have still left the draft with our likely impact players (Mosley, Jernigan, Brooks) with a MUCH better supporting cast.

I hate when people say, "we could have traded back and got this guy." How do you know that? Do you? Doubtful.

Timmy Jernigan, by the way, didn't fail a drug test. He had a diluted sample, and if one believes his story, which I do because nothing says otherwise, it was from over hydration because he had some problems staying hydrated. Also, he's not necessarily a bad scheme fit because you have no idea what scheme the Ravens want to run. He'd be a fine one gapper, and he could play the 4-3. Do you know the Ravens defensive scheme already? Not like they can't change it

You don't like Taliaferro because you haven't watched film of him? Awful reason and probably one you shouldn't admit. He's the most ready pass blocker, a good one cut back with good vision, and a decent receiver out of the backfield. That's a Kubiak type pick.

Urban was being talked about in the second round. Doubtful the Ravens would want to wait. He's incredibly raw at the moment, but he has the potential to be an incredibly tremendous talent and he's the perfect 5T with a lot of scheme versatility.

Gilmore is only the #3 tight end for this year, if Daniels stays healthy. He's got incredibly soft hands, presents a huge target, and is new to the position, switching two years ago. He's got time to learn route running. He's a fairly underrated two way threat

[Clutch Ravens]

I hate when people say, "we could have traded back and got this guy." How do you know that? Do you? Doubtful.

Timmy Jernigan, by the way, didn't fail a drug test. He had a diluted sample, and if one believes his story, which I do because nothing says otherwise, it was from over hydration because he had some problems staying hydrated. Also, he's not necessarily a bad scheme fit because you have no idea what scheme the Ravens want to run. He'd be a fine one gapper, and he could play the 4-3. Do you know the Ravens defensive scheme already? Not like they can't change it

 

On the point of trading back, I should've probably made it clear that I meant I personally think he would have still been there and that it wouldn't have been that big a deal if he wasn't. I obviously don't know for certain whether he would have been there or not, but if it were the latter then you just take the next guy on your board.

 

I didn't know the full details, but that still likely would have put a few teams off. I was purely referring to how we run things currently. It could always change, yeah, but I don't see him as a Nose Tackle or 5-tech.

[BmoreBird22]

On the point of trading back, I should've probably made it clear that I meant I personally think he would have still been there and that it wouldn't have been that big a deal if he wasn't. I obviously don't know for certain whether he would have been there or not, but if it were the latter then you just take the next guy on your board.

 

I didn't know the full details, but that still likely would have put a few teams off. I was purely referring to how we run things currently. It could always change, yeah, but I don't see him as a Nose Tackle or 5-tech.

I don't know if I'd trade back, if I were a a GM because all three of the first three picks were huge value, in my opinion, and you can't trade comp picks. It's tough to say. I might have considered it in the second to get some offense.

That's what he's been saying. Could it be a lie? Sure, but we have no way of proving that, so just have to believe it. I don't think he would be the best nose tackle, but I think he could be a good 5T in a one gap scheme. Asking him to control two gaps might be a bit much

[MTRavensFan]

Apparently the Broncos were actively trying to trade up to the middle of the first, but weren't willing to pay what teams were asking. I'm sure Ozzie was listening, and probably would have done it if Elway was willing to meet his price.

[BmoreBird22]

Apparently the Broncos were actively trying to trade up to the middle of the first, but weren't willing to pay what teams were asking. I'm sure Ozzie was listening, and probably would have done it if Elway was willing to meet his price.

I wonder who they wanted that badly

[MTRavensFan]

I wonder who they wanted that badly

I think one of the safeties, Clinton-Dix or Pryor.

Fans on their board were also really high on Mosely and hoping he would fall.

[BmoreBird22]

I think one of the safeties, Clinton-Dix or Pryor.

Fans on their board were also really high on Mosely and hoping he would fall.

I was about to say that I think it'd be Mosley after Woodyard left

[Sami84]

I hate when people say, "we could have traded back and got this guy." How do you know that? Do you? Doubtful.

Timmy Jernigan, by the way, didn't fail a drug test. He had a diluted sample, and if one believes his story, which I do because nothing says otherwise, it was from over hydration because he had some problems staying hydrated. Also, he's not necessarily a bad scheme fit because you have no idea what scheme the Ravens want to run. He'd be a fine one gapper, and he could play the 4-3. Do you know the Ravens defensive scheme already? Not like they can't change it

You don't like Taliaferro because you haven't watched film of him? Awful reason and probably one you shouldn't admit. He's the most ready pass blocker, a good one cut back with good vision, and a decent receiver out of the backfield. That's a Kubiak type pick.

Urban was being talked about in the second round. Doubtful the Ravens would want to wait. He's incredibly raw at the moment, but he has the potential to be an incredibly tremendous talent and he's the perfect 5T with a lot of scheme versatility.

Gilmore is only the #3 tight end for this year, if Daniels stays healthy. He's got incredibly soft hands, presents a huge target, and is new to the position, switching two years ago. He's got time to learn route running. He's a fairly underrated two way threat

 

 

Urban isn't a rare breed of unpolished players with his physical traits coming out of college. I think he was a wasted pick to be honest. There were players in multiple positions that were ready to contribute more and had more pro-readiness.

Urban will be one of those many players that you say in 5 years time...oh..i dont remember him.

 

He's a poor mans chris canty. Canty was basicaly a more athletic version of urban coming out of college.

[MTRavensFan]

Actually, now they're saying it was Mosley.

 

 

They tried to move up and draft Mosley, but the teams they talked to wanted too much in compensation. Elway said in the interview that "it was not even close" in terms of what they were willing to spend. And of course, the Ravens got Mosley at #17, so it was never a realistic option for them. He didn't say how they rated Shazier, but the guy they were targeting was Mosley.

 

And then Elway went and made all those trades in the later rounds for negligible picks. Fans not happy over there.

[bpytnjr58]

Actually, now they're saying it was Mosley.

 

 

And then Elway went and made all those trades in the later rounds for negligible picks. Fans not happy over there.

I am thinking the window is just about closed for Manning and the Broncos. While I have tremendous respect for Elway as a player his front office antics are questionable.

[MTRavensFan]

I am thinking the window is just about closed for Manning and the Broncos. While I have tremendous respect for Elway as a player his front office antics are questionable.

 

I kind of lost all respect for Elway when he swore up and down Tebow was going to remain on the team and then traded him literally two days later.

 

It's an interesting contrast, while our fans are upset we haven't addressed the offense, theirs are upset they're not addressing the defense. I mean Cody Latimer? How many WR's do you need? John's like a greedy kid at Christmas, can't resist taking all the shiny toys while his little brother is getting socks.

[BmoreBird22]

Actually, now they're saying it was Mosley.

 

 

And then Elway went and made all those trades in the later rounds for negligible picks. Fans not happy over there.

Yeah, kinda figured it had to be Mosley. Once Manning retires, Elway will go back to riding the memory of his Super Bowls from his playing days and not be back in one as an executive for quite some time

[52520Andrew]

Yeah, kinda figured it had to be Mosley. Once Manning retires, Elway will go back to riding the memory of his Super Bowls from his playing days and not be back in one as an executive for quite some time

 

Yeah that would have been my guess as well, Mosley would have fit well with Denver. 

[Militant X 1]

I would like to vent about the fact that we're still venting about the draft.

 

Scary!  Cause I was thinking the same thing!

 

Put the Kool-Aid down! Serioudly, you've overdosed.

 

Get a grip.

 

I don't want to ruin your little fantasy world but, you know, we've had bad drafts before after the dust settles. More than once.

 

In fact, we've had losing seasons. More than once.

 

Who do you think drafted those players? Who made those teams? The same man doing it now.

 

Key word here being "man". He makes mistakes. He has bad drafts. And after every one of those bad drafts were people like you - this is going to be our best draft ever! And..they weren't.

 

It happens.

 

And, I have news. Not everyone so blindly falls in line - just because. Some actually have thoughts, brains and opinions all on their own. Shocking I know.

 

Even more shocking - sometimes, after the dust settles, those outlier opinions turn out to have merit. Hey go figure!

 

Why do you think people are salty? If they didn't give a crap about this team - then they wouldn't be salty would they?

 

This board is beginning to remind me of 1984. The book, not the year. Fall in line or be eliminated! Egad.

 

Really?  Now, you see how those of us who aren't really Flacco-haters or Flacco-believers feel when we go against the grain of everyone trying to sell us on how wonderful (game wise) he is because we have never had a QB of his caliber before; yada!  yada!  yada!  Not trying to turn this into a thread against him...just using him as a comparison in making a point about going against the grain of what everyone wants you to believe, feel or think.  Since the draft; you have been quite outspoken against Ozzie and his credentials of being the "Wizard"  Lol!

 

#Mili

[codizzle]

Haven't really been posting.. Been trying to spend free time learning about prospects and actually form my own opinion instead of regurgitating someone's opinion on a website as I've read in these threads from a handful of people here

The more I watch of our draft picks the more I love the picks..

Especially Jernigan and Campanaro

You pretty much can see someone's opinion of the draft and thought process based solely off the Jernigan pick..

Absolutely love that pick.. Please watch him and tell me his potential isn't top 20 worthy

The attention he commanded at FSU was ridiculous. He uses his hands incredibly

Biggest knock I really see is how slow he can be off the snap sometimes but that along with "conditioning issues" I believe can be contributed to what he was asked to do..

FSU had him running stunts lining up everywhere and he was taking on two lineman more times than not..

Love the Campanaro pick just because of what he could become best case scenario. Is say justo like welker except better hands and a little choppier on his breaks right now route running which could be a great weapon for Flacco if he developed

[Inqui]

I kind of lost all respect for Elway when he swore up and down Tebow was going to remain on the team and then traded him literally two days later.

 

It's an interesting contrast, while our fans are upset we haven't addressed the offense, theirs are upset they're not addressing the defense. I mean Cody Latimer? How many WR's do you need? John's like a greedy kid at Christmas, can't resist taking all the shiny toys while his little brother is getting socks.

[Inqui]

You pretty much can see someone's opinion of the draft and thought process based solely off the Jernigan pick..

Absolutely love that pick.. Please watch him and tell me his potential isn't top 20 worthy

The attention he commanded at FSU was ridiculous. He uses his hands incredibly

He got triple-teamed a few times that I saw, and actually managed to get past that a few times to stuff a run or hurry a passer. Interesting scheme fit, but we'll see how he goes and there certainly is a lot to get excited about.

[0_o]

Urban isn't a rare breed of unpolished players with his physical traits coming out of college. I think he was a wasted pick to be honest. There were players in multiple positions that were ready to contribute more and had more pro-readiness.

Urban will be one of those many players that you say in 5 years time...oh..i dont remember him.

 

He's a poor mans chris canty. Canty was basicaly a more athletic version of urban coming out of college.

 

Brent Urban is a 2nd round prospect who's talents are off the charts but was given a 3rd round grade because of injury. The fact that we were able to get him at the bottom of the 4th round was incredible. His player comparison is to JJ Wat because that's how highly rated his NFL potential is. Maybe the name isn't as familiar to you as it should be because he was a trench guy on a Virginia team, but somewhere on this board I broke him down and dropped some clues. Keith McGill/Brent Urban was the goal. Once McGill came off the board we were certain Urban wasn't going to make it to us. The fact that we got him anyway is like doing a slam dunk, down by 1 just before time expires in the 4th quarter. 

 

On a side note:

 

-We were in trade talks with the Rams for our 17th overall pick. They were going to pony up the house for Zach Martin - 2nd & 3rd this year + 1st next year. The plan was to take the blockbuster then trade back into the 1st, but the Cowboys nixed that.

 

-We would have taken Mosely in the top 10.

 

-If Mike Evans made it passed Tampa we were going to trade up for him. 

 

-Lorenzo Taliaferro is the biggest sleeper prospect you've never heard of. There were only a few backs targeted to fit Gary's scheme and Lorenzo was one of the names a top the list. When he turns into our version of Adrian Foster the grumbles will turn into smiles and the complains will turn into cheers.

 

-Urschel is a gem. Period. There are good players and then theyre are special players. Urschel is special.

 

-Crocket Gilmore is a Gary Kubiak player, a Raven type of player. He's going to play a big role in what we can accomplish on offense. Look forward to 3 TE sets this year. He'll eventually become the 1-2 punch to Pitta that will compliment our run game beautifully. 

 

This draft was special. IA lot of starters were drafted this year and then exciting news is we're still not done making moves. People need to hold tight and enjoy the process..

[Edgar]

 Thats a lot of question marks, and a big reason why I'm concerned about the draft.

I might have missed this but who do you feel we should have drafted now that we've seen where everyone landed? 

[52520Andrew]

-We were in trade talks with the Rams for our 17th overall pick. They were going to pony up the house for Zach Martin - 2nd & 3rd this year + 1st next year. The plan was to take the blockbuster then trade back into the 1st, but the Cowboys nixed that.

 

-If Mike Evans made it passed Tampa we were going to trade up for him. 

 

If you are going to throw anything like that out there as fact, it would be smart to at least source it. I could say that we were interested in trading up to #3 for Watkins by giving up our firsts for the next 10 years. Doesn't mean it is true

[Edgar]

Jernigan is a steal. 

[Edgar]

If someone got on a forum board that represents your job and what you do for a living, then posted how incompetent you are at what you do and criticized how bad you are at doing it, despite them having no experience, no understanding, no idea how to even do your job, i bet your double standard wouldn't apply then. I'd be willing to bet you wouldn't take what those people had to say seriously because how could you? In fact I'd even be willing to bet you would considered those people to be babbling, ignorant little idiots who don't know what the hell theyre talking about.

 

I agree  

[gabefergy]

I might have missed this but who do you feel we should have drafted now that we've seen where everyone landed?

I would have liked Moses in the second and Desir in the third.

[ravensdfan]

Really?  Now, you see how those of us who aren't really Flacco-haters or Flacco-believers feel when we go against the grain of everyone trying to sell us on how wonderful (game wise) he is because we have never had a QB of his caliber before; yada!  yada!  yada!  Not trying to turn this into a thread against him...just using him as a comparison in making a point about going against the grain of what everyone wants you to believe, feel or think.  Since the draft; you have been quite outspoken against Ozzie and his credentials of being the "Wizard"  Lol!

 

#Mili

 

Not true. I made one tongue in cheek comment about him not being a wizard but a man. And as such, he does make mistakes. In other posts I even said that he is great at what he does - but that didn't mean he doesn't ever make mistakes.

 

As for the Flacco comparison, most criticisms are fine. It is the over the top people (we all know who they are) that get bashed because they are nonsensical. And certainly, with them, the Flacco supporters enjoy going over the top the other way.

 

Considering all the whining that went on last season about this offense, all the pre-draft talk how we needed to go offense and all the offensive talent that was there, it is amusing to see some turn on a dime. At least most of the Flacco haters are consistent. They criticize him even when he does play well.

 

The last post wasn't even about the draft per se - it was the very cult nature of the post I responded to.

[redrum52]

Scary! Cause I was thinking the same thing!

Really? Now, you see how those of us who aren't really Flacco-haters or Flacco-believers feel when we go against the grain of everyone trying to sell us on how wonderful (game wise) he is because we have never had a QB of his caliber before; yada! yada! yada! Not trying to turn this into a thread against him...just using him as a comparison in making a point about going against the grain of what everyone wants you to believe, feel or think. Since the draft; you have been quite outspoken against Ozzie and his credentials of being the "Wizard" Lol!

#Mili

It's funny isn't it. Cause we're called bad fans or blind haters when mentioning his imperfections, but now I bet the situation will be considered different.

Anyway, after looking at someone mentioning the Rams wanting to trade back if Martin was still available I realized something. The last time the Cowboys took someone we were considering, we got a defender with our next pick who's no longer in the league, an inconsistent, stone handed TE in the third and a disappointing tackle in the 2nd....

[flynismo]

Not true. I made one tongue in cheek comment about him not being a wizard but a man. And as such, he does make mistakes. In other posts I even said that he is great at what he does - but that didn't mean he doesn't ever make mistakes.

As for the Flacco comparison, most criticisms are fine. It is the over the top people (we all know who they are) that get bashed because they are nonsensical. And certainly, with them, the Flacco supporters enjoy going over the top the other way.

Considering all the whining that went on last season about this offense, all the pre-draft talk how we needed to go offense and all the offensive talent that was there, it is amusing to see some turn on a dime. At least most of the Flacco haters are consistent. They criticize him even when he does play well.

The last post wasn't even about the draft per se - it was the very cult nature of the post I responded to.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that last sentence.

I'll use myself as an example since I can only speak for me. In my mock draft I had us taking offensive players with the first three picks. Anyone who says they didn't want at least one offensive player in the first two rounds is full of crap lol...

But despite that, I feel that our draft was brilliant, even though there is a certain pick I hated, and still do (Gilmore instead of either Yankey or Abbederis). We got a tremendous amount of talent in the draft, and let's face it, as bad as the offense was, the defense needed a good bit of help too.

So to me, I have no problem looking at this draft and saying 'Ozzie strikes again'. I am a total Ozzie homer, but I have no problem whining like a 3 year old when he reaches on a TE by about 50 rounds