Ravens Draft 2014

[flynismo]

I understand he's gotten better shedding blocks but stepping up in competition he'll need to get even better.  This pick reminds me too much of Arthur Brown , injury concerns of Mosely notwithstanding.

 

I hope I'm wrong and the Ravens inside backers are 49ers east. I'll happily eat crow if the pick pans out.

I can see the Arthur Brown comparison in the sense that they are of roughly the same size, and play good coverage. But that's about where the similarities end....I wasn't that big a fan of A Brown either, just for the record.

 

The only area that I feel Mosley could use improvement is simply adding some strength to his upper body. He plants and drives well, and hits like a 12 gauge, but when he's wrapping up against bigger guys, you can see that he can't toss them around as easily as he does smaller guys --- yes, I know that is to be expected somewhat, but at any rate....

[Ozzsome]

So people complain about taking a great LB prospect, but want a RT at #17? I don't get that

Judge him when he leaves

[Gtown Purple]

The ilb spot next to smith was a weakness for us last year. Mosley is better than a 17 pick and some had him going before us. With all the other picks we have I think we will address other areas. If nothing else mosley gives us another option for the second ilb spot and more depth should something happen to daryl.

[The Raven]

Here is a link to it incase you cannot find it. Again not the whole game but a pretty good representation of what we are getting...

 

 

Looks like we're getting a run and chase linebacker with great pursuit and good tackling. He blitzes well, takes on and sheds blocks well, and Saban trusted him to line up on slot receivers in coverage. He was around the ball frequently.

 

Oh and let me tell you how much sense it makes to criticize an inside linebacker for not completely dominating a team that runs the spread..............  

 

What do you think we're getting?

[ravensfan2430]

Oz took a position that we have spent a lot of higher draft picks on recently, LBer. I have to assume that if he is picking another linebacker with the highest pick we have years, he is prolly going to be good.  

[tolucaraven]

Mosely's général scout consensus was he was at least à top 15 pick with many scouts giving him à top 10 grade. Ravens took BPA..which is smart instead of reaching for immediate need for the 2014 season....always BPA over need or you end up with problems.

[flynismo]

Looks like we're getting a run and chase linebacker with great pursuit and good tackling. He blitzes well, takes on and sheds blocks well, and Saban trusted him to line up on slot receivers in coverage. He was around the ball frequently.

 

Oh and let me tell you how much sense it makes to criticize an inside linebacker for not completely dominating a team that runs the spread..............

 

What do you think we're getting?

 

 

The two biggest things that game reminds me of:

 

1. No Mike Evans for us

2. Manziel has a spaghetti arm

 

It is interesting that he chose this game to talk about how Mosley doesn't make plays, but yet we see Mosley making two goalline stops. Against a spread offense, at that, as you said

[arnie_uk]

Alot of people are probably salty because its not a flash pick from our highest spot in years.

[acranfor]

There are a lot of complaints based on emotional, knee jerk reactions - We should have picked a FS, we should have picked a WR, we should have traded back, etc. I personally love this pick with what was left on the board at 17. 2 reasons are below:

 

1. People praise Smith last year for stepping in, and allowing little fall-off after the retirement of Ray. I would have to agree with this somewhat, but I truly believe Smith is not a MIKE ILB. He was great in coverage and great at reacting and cleaning up on the backside of a play - everything you want in a MAC or WILL ILB in a 3-4 system. However, the MIKE needs to be an aggressor who is great at being the first point of attack on run plays, shed blockers and who is able to 'shoot the gaps' as either a blitzer or run stopper. Our defense lacked this last year, which is why so many teams were able to run the clock on us late in games. Mosley is a stereotypical MIKE ILB and will greatly enhance our defense IF he performs as he should. THE MIKE LB WAS A NEED THAT WAS FILLED WITH THIS PICK. A more valuable need than a nickle CB, a RT/G, or a FS in a weak FS class at 17!

 

2. Ok, so maybe we move back and fill another need like RT/G, WR, FS, or nickle CB as well as picking up a day 2 pick to help further fill the roster - as so many have said we should have done? Well what were people expecting us to get by moving to the end of the first? A 2nd rnd pick? A 3rd rnd pick? I would say at best we would have gotten a 4th to 5th...So you would give up an impact player in a position of need (in my opinion per #1) at 17 for a late round 1st and a 4th/5th? I do not understand this logic...especially with how the end of the 1st shaped up.

 

My 2 cents...Also, people need to understand you do not fill need through the draft. That is how you remain at the bottom of the league for so long - Raiders, Jags, etc. You fill need through development of your own players and through proven free agents. The draft is a mystery and should be supplemental to what you have.

[codizzle]

There are a lot of complaints based on emotional, knee jerk reactions - We should have picked a FS, we should have picked a WR, we should have traded back, etc. I personally love this pick with what was left on the board at 17. 2 reasons are below:

1. People praise Smith last year for stepping in, and allowing little fall-off after the retirement of Ray. I would have to agree with this somewhat, but I truly believe Smith is not a MIKE ILB. He was great in coverage and great at reacting and cleaning up on the backside of a play - everything you want in a MAC or WILL ILB in a 3-4 system. However, the MIKE needs to be an aggressor who is great at being the first point of attack on run plays, shed blockers and who is able to 'shoot the gaps' as either a blitzer or run stopper. Our defense lacked this last year, which is why so many teams were able to run the clock on us late in games. Mosley is a stereotypical MIKE ILB and will greatly enhance our defense IF he performs as he should. THE MIKE LB WAS A NEED THAT WAS FILLED WITH THIS PICK. A more valuable need than a nickle CB, a RT/G, or a FS in a weak FS class at 17!

2. Ok, so maybe we move back and fill another need like RT/G, WR, FS, or nickle CB as well as picking up a day 2 pick to help further fill the roster - as so many have said we should have done? Well what were people expecting us to get by moving to the end of the first? A 2nd rnd pick? A 3rd rnd pick? I would say at best we would have gotten a 4th to 5th...So you would give up an impact player in a position of need (in my opinion per #1) at 17 for a late round 1st and a 4th/5th? I do not understand this logic...especially with how the end of the 1st shaped up.

My 2 cents...Also, people need to understand you do not fill need through the draft. That is how you remain at the bottom of the league for so long - Raiders, Jags, etc. You fill need through development of your own players and through proven free agents. The draft is a mystery and should be supplemental to what you have.

Yup +35

[Inqui]

Looks like we're getting a run and chase linebacker with great pursuit and good tackling. He blitzes well, takes on and sheds blocks well, and Saban trusted him to line up on slot receivers in coverage. He was around the ball frequently.

 

Oh and let me tell you how much sense it makes to criticize an inside linebacker for not completely dominating a team that runs the spread..............

 

What do you think we're getting?

One thing that doesn't get talked about a lot is how technical a lot of these Alabama guys can be. I get the injury concerns and the stacked defence concern (although this year it was just as much everyone benefiting from Mosely than anything else), but Nick Saban's also managed to drive the fundamentals home.

 

I have a soft spot for anyone who properly wraps up in a tackle.

[Inqui]

The two biggest things that game reminds me of:

 

1. No Mike Evans for us

2. Manziel has a spaghetti arm

 

It is interesting that he chose this game to talk about how Mosley doesn't make plays, but yet we see Mosley making two goalline stops. Against a spread offense, at that, as you said

I was the same with the LSU game. I feel you man. On one play OBJ managed to break away clean from him and I died a bit more inside.

 

The LSU game wasn't bad either though. He made plenty of well-timed blitzes (at least one of which was literally timed to perfection, and I'm a grammar nut so I actually mean literal), gave Mettenberger fits, covered well in space and was solid against the run. Got swallowed up by blocks a few times but what of it. You can't expect 10 minutes of "Ray Lewis picks off Steve McNair" clips - not even Ray Lewis had game tape like that. If anyone wants to see that, they can go watch a highlights clip.

[BalloutRaven21]

I hope I hit an all time negative post record. You guys need to WATCH the tape and look at the metrics.... Then make a judgement.

 

It truly is unfortunate that Martin was taken by the cowboys. Shazier is going to destroy us for the next decade... But once again I am just speaking MY OWN opinions..... make your own judgements.....

 

 

I do trust Ozzie but that doesnt mean he doesnt make a mistake everyonce in a while......

I don't like the pick either but you really think shazier is better?  iunno buddy 

[Cville-Raven]

So people complain about taking a great LB prospect, but want a RT at #17? I don't get that

Judge him when he leaves

Yeah Personally I don't get the point of taking a RT who btw will be 24 years old about half way through his rookie year. You can get those guys later than the mid 1st round. 

[RLewis52]

I don't like the pick either but you really think shazier is better?  iunno buddy 

    If Shazier isn't as good as Mosley....it explains why he got drafted 2 picks before....Alabama players always have the hype built around them, whether they are really good, or decent. Mosley is more than decent, he is pretty good, but I personally like shazier way better, talk about impact player....but maybe that's because im a OSU football fan ha

[Purple Punishment]

You must have missed the Performance part.... you know actually preforming on the field..... What the dude is getting paid to do.... but was lackluster throughout most of college....

Did Ohio State even face a really good team last season?? You know like a highly ranked team to really measure his performance against a top tier offensive team?? And if they did, how did Shazier fair out??

It's just a question not a bash against you

[Bltravens]

Watching that video of Manziel makes me wonder if Cleveland thinks he can play like Roethlisberger and that they forget Roethlisberger is like 260 and still barely plays full seasons, yet Manziel is 205.  On top of that he won't have Evans saving the day because he's a foot taller than everyone else in the secondary lol.

[izvoodoo]

Did Ohio State even face a really good team last season?? You know like a highly ranked team to really measure his performance against a top tier offensive team?? And if they did, how did Shazier fair out??

It's just a question not a bash against you

Michigan, Michigan State and Clemson.  I'm not sure how he faired but if you checked game tape those would be the ones to check.

[Gordo52]

Oh, well that settles it. Mosley wasn't dominant in the A&M game, so he clearly has no talent and is going to bust out on us.

I know you felt the same way I did watching that game. .....Evans.

Edit: Yup, just saw your comment a page back lol

[flynismo]

I know you felt the same way I did watching that game. .....Evans.

Edit: Yup, just saw your comment a page back lol

the first few weeks of off-season was such a tease, because it looked like Evans lasting to our pick was a realistic possibility. then he had to go shut everyone up at the combine, and my dreams died on that day. since then, I came to terms with the fact we wouldn't get him, but man, I'd be lying if I said I wasnt praying for a miracle

[Ravenseconbeast]

the first few weeks of off-season was such a tease, because it looked like Evans lasting to our pick was a realistic possibility. then he had to go shut everyone up at the combine, and my dreams died on that day. since then, I came to terms with the fact we wouldn't get him, but man, I'd be lying if I said I wasnt praying for a miracle

Day2 awaits when we still have plenty to look up to. Way too many talented WR left on the draft.

[flynismo]

Day2 awaits when we still have plenty to look up to. Way too many talented WR left on the draft.

that certainly helped getting over it too!

[Inqui]

that certainly helped getting over it too!

Only if we get a weapon today. I remain optimistic though - the shelf of guys left is really thick and a lot of them are extremely talented in their own right (doesn't seem out of the question to say they'd be fringe or even mid-late first rounders in other years).

 

If we don't get Joe another toy today, we may as well leave it for another year. Which would disappoint me greatly, considering how hard I've been mooting for getting him SOMETHING.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

Raven fans, Who? Might be Ozzie time! We are Ravens!!

[ravensnick]

Michigan, Michigan State and Clemson.  I'm not sure how he faired but if you checked game tape those would be the ones to check.

And Penn State, Wisconsin

[arnie_uk]

Would love to see either lee, Robinson at wr. Joel bintino or sua FILO at oline. Terrence brooks at fs. They are my main targets for our second.

Watch us take nix

[Ozzsome]

Who have you guys got with our second Round pick?

 

 

Possible Candidates:

 

Cyrus Kouandjio - big bodied freak of nature. Prototypical NFL RT. I could see us select another position and go for a guy like Brandon Thomas late in the Draft

 

Marqise Lee - great athlete and one of the better WR in this draft IMO. Outplayed Robert Woods when he was still at USC. Runs crisp routes, very elusive and great explosion out of his breaks

 

Louis Nix III - on of the best NTs I've seen in a while. Terrific athlete for a guy with 340+ pound. Not the fittest guy but great agility and a great motor

 

ASJ/Troy Niklas - I rate ASJ higher but Troy Niklas is a classic TE, a better blocker than reciever but he has still room to grow and we can give him time to develop as we have Pitta and Daniels on our Roster. Niklas could challenge Ebron for best TE out of this class

 

Stephon Tuitt - Had some problems this year and really didn't play that great the whole season. Bulked up to 330 pounds before the season and you could see that it effected him. His tape of the 2012 season is magnificent, would have propably been a top 15 pick in last years draft if he entered. When he slims down to 300 pounds again, as in the 2012 season he's a steal in the 2nd Round

[Natural Born Hitters]

What time does the draft start tonight? 7 or 7:30? Thanks!

[Ozzsome]

What time does the draft start tonight? 7 or 7:30? Thanks!

 

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[Ravenseconbeast]

Surprised Texans went BPA twice