Ravens Draft 2014

[arnie_uk]

Smaller weight by 2 pounds? I didn't say he won't get swallowed but the difference, again, is positionally. Shazier is required to hold the edge. Shazier get's swallowed up and the whole edge is gone and the HB has an easy gain, Mosley gets swallowed up and its in the middle of the field, theres still 3 or 4 other guys there to make the play. Shazier has to hold that edge or the defense is screwed unless the safety makes an incredible play.

This is the same reason we let Kruger go and why he was never a full time starter. He couldn't hold the edge.

they could, and I think they will, slide him inside

[SolarFuel]

Shazier was 3rd in the NCAA in tackles last year. He wasnt excactly swallowed up. I will agree he is to small to play ILB, but by your definition so is Mosley. Mosely gets swallowed up and is insignificant in the middle but isnt as relevant as an OLB....Im not sure where you are going with your arguement.....

 

Shazier has potential to be ELITE at the OLB position. Mosley has potential to be average at the ILB position and has no potential at OLB...

[Inqui]

I laughed off anyone suggesting Marqise Lee might possibly be available in the second. I hope to eat my words tomorrow.

[SolarFuel]

Mosely can add size, Shazier cant. Mosely has a higher football IQ. Steelers lack DL bigtime and Shazier cant get off blocks.

 

Mosely who for all intensive purposes is the same size can add weight but shazier cannot.... Explain???

 

Mosley scored a 19 in the wonderlic, Shazier scored a a 20.... fairly equal if you ask me.

 

Why are you comparing the Steelers DL to ours???? Shazier was top 3 in tackles in the NCAA last year but he cant get off blocks... lol

[Bltravens]

they could, and I think they will, slide him inside

If they do that would alter how I think about him.  Much the same of how I saw Timmons out of college.

[Purple Punishment]

I mean, this draft had a weak class for safeties. Seeing how the Ravens skipped out on signing a veteran free safety when they had the chance, I don't know how much stock I would put into Baltimore trading for a free safety, at this point. Not saying it won't happen; but, all this seems very "last second". The front office talked about getting a ballhawk, this offseason, and, yet, here we are. A lot of confusion, if you ask me.

I concur. They said their focus was a ball hawk and a WR1 and we are walking away with neither if we don't take Lee. A few ball hawk FS were on the board and we took an ILB. In doing that we messed up our whole draft. No RT, no FS and no WR. Should've checked the box on one of those three and maybe take 2nd or 3rd BPA

[sflegend89]

Your right.... I am referring to players in NCAA 1A not DIII schools. Mosley was an OKAY college athlete. Show me ONE reason why he was more than average. ONE..... Just one stat where was better than most LBs... ONE!!!!! PLEASE!!!!

 

BTW....

 

Luck Kuechly

Patrick Willis

Ray Lewis

 

All had average college football stats right, and average metrics...... Oh and Shazier who is ELITE in EVERY measurable and had elite production in college AT EVERY LEVEL...

 

Oh and there is a BLUEPRINT for GREAT linebackers... to say there is not is naive.... Name one who had average metrics and average college production who ended up being ELITE... JUST ONE...

 

Again you cannot.....Its cool Ed_Reed20... this is the internet. Everyone is entitled to there opinion.....

 

 

Steelers fans don't even like the Shazier pick at 15 and a lot of them are saying they would've preferred Mosley or Dennard.. Top end speed isn't a key trait for an ILB. Much more important to have a good football IQ and instincts which is definitely in favor of Mosley. Mosley has some good wheels too, may not time as fast as a guy like Shazier but he has better intangibles at the position.

[The Raven]

Steelers fans don't even like the Shazier pick at 15 and a lot of them are saying they would've preferred Mosley or Dennard.. Top end speed isn't a key trait for an ILB. Much more important to have a good football IQ and instincts which is definitely in favor of Mosley. Mosley has some good wheels too, may not time as fast as a guy like Shazier but he has better intangibles at the position.

 

Mosley doesn't have a great 40 yard dash time, but he has a lot of burst and quickness to go along with his great instincts. I've always thought burst and quickness to be more important than straight speed.

[flynismo]

I HOPE I AM WRONG.... I do... but metrics and performance usually do not lie....

Okay, Al Davis

[SolarFuel]

Okay, Al Davis

 

You must have missed the Performance part.... you know actually preforming on the field..... What the dude is getting paid to do.... but was lackluster throughout most of college....

[SolarFuel]

Mosley doesn't have a great 40 yard dash time, but he has a lot of burst and quickness to go along with his great instincts. I've always thought burst and quickness to be more important than straight speed.

 

Lol great instincts that led to poor output in college.....

[flynismo]

You must have missed the Performance part.... you know actually preforming on the field..... What the dude is getting paid to do.... but was lackluster throughout most of college....

You must have missed the part of, you know, actually watching him play. If you did, Al, you wouldn't need to quote combine performances and stats toform an opinion of him.

[SolarFuel]

Steelers fans don't even like the Shazier pick at 15 and a lot of them are saying they would've preferred Mosley or Dennard.. Top end speed isn't a key trait for an ILB. Much more important to have a good football IQ and instincts which is definitely in favor of Mosley. Mosley has some good wheels too, may not time as fast as a guy like Shazier but he has better intangibles at the position.

 

Top end speed isnt a trait per se, but agility and strength certainly are... Somthing Mosley just doesnt have.

 

Good football IQ... aka lower wonderlic scores than Shazier

Good Instincts.... Usually lead to on field output you would think right????

 

Lol intangibles??? Explain.... More like he went to alabama and everyone loves the tide.....

[SolarFuel]

You must have missed the part of, you know, actually watching him play. If you did, Al, you wouldn't need to quote combine performances and stats toform an opinion of him.

 

Go back and watch the Texas A&M game. The whole thing.... Show me one standout play that CJ Mosley makes....

 

I did watch the film, clearly you have not....

[SolarFuel]

Here is a link to it incase you cannot find it. Again not the whole game but a pretty good representation of what we are getting...

 

[The Mom Gene]

Basic here..... His performance rankings in the SEC make him a good pick.  The guy was selected by most of the Draft Analysts to go in the first round.  I don't think a slouch goes in the first round here.  Had we not taken him, somebody else would have....  We are going to need a LB.  And I think we needed him more than another CB. 

 

Now let's get the Offensive Line fixed and THEN add to our secondary, please.  Let's not forget we have just a few more rounds out there.

[flynismo]

Lol great instincts that led to poor output in college.....

 

The guy put up 107 and 108 tackles the past two seasons (which are the second and third highest totals in AL over the past 25 years), DESPITE missing a good bit of time due to injury. Methinks you are talking out of your wazoo

[BmoreBird22]

 

Good football IQ... aka lower wonderlic scores than Shazier

I usually don't try to argue, but you do know the wonderlic is not meant to test football IQ. It tests general knowledge. It's a fairly easy test under normal conditions, but players have an extremely short time and are asked to go through like 50 questions in something like 6 or 7 minutes. None of it tests your knowledge of football, formations, schemes, etc. Anyway, having a "lower" wonderlic score isn't really all that bad. Coaches don't necessarily want a player who gets a perfect score because if you have someone who's that much smarter than you in the locker room, it could lead to trouble. By the way, Eli Manning (39) had a higher wonderlic score than Petyon Manning (28). Dan Marino got a 15. Frank Gore got a 6. AJ Green got 10 and Julio Jones got 15. I'll just stop there, but there are several more notable ones. Just thought you should know so you could stop using that ridiculous argument about combine measurements.

[flynismo]

Go back and watch the Texas A&M game. The whole thing.... Show me one standout play that CJ Mosley makes....

 

I did watch the film, clearly you have not....

Oh, well that settles it. Mosley wasn't dominant in the A&M game, so he clearly has no talent and is going to bust out on us.

[SolarFuel]

Oh, well that settles it. Mosley wasn't dominant in the A&M game, so he clearly has no talent and is going to bust out on us.

 

Lol show me one game where he was dominant against a quailty oponent.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Top end speed isnt a trait per se, but agility and strength certainly are... Somthing Mosley just doesnt have.

Good football IQ... aka lower wonderlic scores than Shazier

Good Instincts.... Usually lead to on field output you would think right????

Lol intangibles??? Explain.... More like he went to alabama and everyone loves the tide.....

Just go check all of our 1st round picks from the past. I have a feeling our FO knows what they are doing.

[Ed_Reed20]

Your right.... I am referring to players in NCAA 1A not DIII schools. Mosley was an OKAY college athlete. Show me ONE reason why he was more than average. ONE..... Just one stat where was better than most LBs... ONE!!!!! PLEASE!!!!

 

BTW....

 

Luck Kuechly

Patrick Willis

Ray Lewis

 

All had average college football stats right, and average metrics...... Oh and Shazier who is ELITE in EVERY measurable and had elite production in college AT EVERY LEVEL...

 

Oh and there is a BLUEPRINT for GREAT linebackers... to say there is not is naive.... Name one who had average metrics and average college production who ended up being ELITE... JUST ONE...

 

Again you cannot.....Its cool Ed_Reed20... this is the internet. Everyone is entitled to there opinion.....

 

It doesn't matter who you're referring to. Racking up tackles still isn't the sole indicator a guy can play. With that said, Mosley ranked 4th in the SEC in terms of tackles per game, so your suggestion he didn't produce is bogus. On top of that, he returned three career interceptions for TDs. Not too shabby. 

 

I have already provided three area Mosley was better than average: his 40-time, 10-yard split and vertical. I'll go further and provide you with an example of a LB whose Combine and pro day numbers weren't eye-popping but is generally considering one of the most athletic and probably second or third-best ILBs in the league: NaVorro Bowman.

 

No, there isn't a blueprint. Not every great LB comes in the same package or has to clock certain times or jump certain distance. That's just moronic. 

 

Of course folks are entitled to their opinions. They can also be challenged on those opinions, especially when they make little sense. 

[Hardbaugh]

Go back and watch the Texas A&M game. The whole thing.... Show me one standout play that CJ Mosley makes....

 

I did watch the film, clearly you have not....

 

I don't understand the pick. Looking at the LSU and Auburn games I see nothing special.  It looks like he's gotten swallowed up by blockers too many times.   Admittedly I have no hardware on my finger but given that Alabama defenders don't seem to take it to the next level when they go to the next level I feel the Ravens got themselves another workmanlike defender instead of a Pro Bowl caliber talent.

 

Then there's the injury concerns. Didn't like the pick the minute it was announced and like it less now.

[flynismo]

Lol show me one game where he was dominant against a quailty oponent.

I can't. The guy has no talent, nor production, he was clearly an idiotic pick by senile Oz.  I don't want to waste my time looking for links to games that happened in my imagination. Thank you for setting the record straight for us.

[flynismo]

I don't understand the pick. Looking at the LSU and Auburn games I see nothing special.  It looks like he's gotten swallowed up by blockers too many times.   Admittedly I have no hardware on my finger but given that Alabama defenders don't seem to take it to the next level when they go to the next level I feel the Ravens got themselves another workmanlike defender instead of a Pro Bowl caliber talent.

 

Then there's the injury concerns. Didn't like the pick the minute it was announced and like it less now.

 

 

About time you came out of hibernation! Haven't seen you on here in a while.

 

Actually, shedding blocks happened to be the one big knock on him early in his career. This past season has laid that concern to rest, for the most part.

 

Now, the only real concern with him is whether or not he will be able to stay on the field.

[runamuk]

I think Mosely is a good player but his injury history and the fact we have allot of money invested in the linebacker position already I'm not thrilled we picked him. There are no good safeties left period so that's a need we will continue to have or go with two elam's on the field .

 

I'm more disappointed that we did not go offense in the first round but the wide receiver class is deep . I'm glad we did not reach for an tackle or guard there are other prospects in later rounds.

[rafahash]

I would rather get Clinton-Dix due to our needs, but I think C.J. Mosley will be an outstanding player for us.

 

I'm guessing that losing Jimmie Ward to San Fran wasn't on the FO's plans, though. Maybe they thought they could get him in day 2.

[flynismo]

I wasnt stoked about the pick, but not due to the player. Due to having more pressing needs. But some folks here are a bunch of crap baskets. Wow!

 

I felt the same way man. But it seemed like every-freaking-single guy that we both wanted @ #17 and filled a need were taken every time the card was turned in. Usually, you can count on three or four idiotic selections in the first 12 - 15 picks, thereby dropping talent into our laps, but it just didn't happen this year.

 

I know some guys here wanted HaHa or Pryor, but I really dont think either of those two are good value so high

[Hardbaugh]

About time you came out of hibernation! Haven't seen you on here in a while.

 

Actually, shedding blocks happened to be the one big knock on him early in his career. This past season has laid that concern to rest, for the most part.

 

Now, the only real concern with him is whether or not he will be able to stay on the field.

I understand he's gotten better shedding blocks but stepping up in competition he'll need to get even better.  This pick reminds me too much of Arthur Brown , injury concerns of Mosely notwithstanding.

 

I hope I'm wrong and the Ravens inside backers are 49ers east. I'll happily eat crow if the pick pans out.

[bravensfan52]

Lets get ASJ now