Ravens Draft 2014

[sflegend89]

Arhur Brown is more of a developmental prospect then we originally thought. I still think Athur will be a good player for us but he needs time. As a starter this year Arthur would be a liability. Mosley is a day 1 starter, he's much more of a finished product already then Arthur .

 

Like I said in the other draft thread, teams ran the ball down our throat at times last year. Jameel, Bynes, and Arthur left a lot to be desired and we should have a higher standard for our starting ILB's heading into next year. Mosley is going to be real solid next to Daryl Smith and isn't going to be a liability. Still some good FS's on the board and we got a potential pro bowler in Mosley

[Ed_Reed20]

Name JUST ONE top 20 inside linebacker in the NFL currently who was not in the top 10 total tackles in the NCAA atleast once during there college tenure.....

 

Yeah just about all of the past great LBs in the NFL were GREAT college players....

 

And yes a 4.63 40 is pedestrian for a first round LB.... his 10 yard of 1.56 is average.... and 15 reps of 225 is a JOKE.... but again you need to look at other LBs who are GREAT before you make an opionion because clearly you have not.....

 

 

Don't try to turn the tables. You can't name a single top LB that was in the top 10 in total tackles in college. Even if you can, it means squat. According to the NCAA's website, the guy's that led the NCAA in college last year all played at tiny schools. I can guarantee you right now that none of them will be top LBs in the league.

 

And Mosley was a great college player. You're the only one who doesn't seem to think so. 

 

So, what's the magical mark that makes you average or pedestrian and then above average and good? And what does it mean if you hit it on one run but just miss it on the other? Your conclusions are a joke. No, I don't have to look at other great LBs to form an opinion. There's no blueprint or set of characteristics that clearly indicate a player will be great. Some players simply don't test well but that doesn't mean they don't get it done on the field. 

 

I'm done.

 

 

Im not saying he isnt a good athlete... I am saying he is an AVERAGE NFL athlete. ANYONE who can play in the NFL is a good athlete by definiton.....

 

He's not an "average" NFL athlete. You have nothing to substantiate that. 

[The Raven]

Arhur Brown is more of a developmental prospect then we originally thought. I still think Athur will be a good player for us but he needs time. As a starter this year Arthur would be a liability. Mosley is a day 1 starter, he's much more of a finished product already then Arthur .

 

Like I said in the other draft thread, teams ran the ball down our throat at times last year. Jameel, Bynes, and Arthur left a lot to be desired and we should have a higher standard for our starting ILB's heading into next year. Mosley is going to be real solid next to Daryl Smith and isn't going to be a liability. Still some good FS's on the board and we got a potential pro bowler in Mosley

 

How dare you say such a thing! That's ridiculous!

 

 

[JO_75]

Just now caught up to our pick on my DVR. I thought for sure the minute Dallas took Zack Martin we were going to trade down. Then when the pick came in and I was ecstatic. Mosley is not just a player for the future but a plug and play guy who can play immediately. 

 

Ozzie strikes again!

 

Welcome to Baltimore CJ!

[Bltravens]

Signing Monroe made taking Martin in the first a ridiculous decision.  You don't take a RT in what's basically the top of half of the first round.  Especially when Monroe is in the prime of his career and JUST signed a 5 year deal.

Mosley is the first plug and play (as in he'll play week 1 and not due to illness or injury) draft pick we've taken since Grubbs.

[tolucaraven]

He was BPA, but would rather had taken WR Cooks, instead or Dennard.

[Purple_ICE 81]

Just now caught up to our pick on my DVR. I thought for sure the minute Dallas took Zack Martin we were going to trade down. Then when the pick came in and I was ecstatic. Mosley is not just a player for the future but a plug and play guy who can play immediately. 

 

Ozzie strikes again!

 

Welcome to Baltimore CJ!

Thats the good news...the bad news points to his long list of injuries(hip and elbow dislocation, various shoulder tears and ankle problems etc.), . As long as he stays healthy he could be a solid plug and play as a rook, adding on to our solid run D from a year ago.

[ravensfan520]

I was wondering why people were wanting Pryor (Elam clone) or Ha Ha... doesn't tackle very well. If we want another Elam we can pick Buccanon later... I am surprised we didn't hear anybody complain about not taking Johnny football. I like the pick we got. Arthur is still not ready as a starter.

[SolarFuel]

Don't try to turn the tables. You can't name a single top LB that was in the top 10 in total tackles in college. Even if you can, it means squat. According to the NCAA's website, the guy's that led the NCAA in college last year all played at tiny schools. I can guarantee you right now that none of them will be top LBs in the league.

 

And Mosley was a great college player. You're the only one who doesn't seem to think so. 

 

So, what's the magical mark that makes you average or pedestrian and then above average and good? And what does it mean if you hit it on one run but just miss it on the other? Your conclusions are a joke. No, I don't have to look at other great LBs to form an opinion. There's no blueprint or set of characteristics that clearly indicate a player will be great. Some players simply don't test well but that doesn't mean they don't get it done on the field. 

 

I'm done.

 

 

 

He's not an "average" NFL athlete. You have nothing to substantiate that. 

 

 

 

Don't try to turn the tables. You can't name a single top LB that was in the top 10 in total tackles in college. Even if you can, it means squat. According to the NCAA's website, the guy's that led the NCAA in college last year all played at tiny schools. I can guarantee you right now that none of them will be top LBs in the league.

 

And Mosley was a great college player. You're the only one who doesn't seem to think so. 

 

So, what's the magical mark that makes you average or pedestrian and then above average and good? And what does it mean if you hit it on one run but just miss it on the other? Your conclusions are a joke. No, I don't have to look at other great LBs to form an opinion. There's no blueprint or set of characteristics that clearly indicate a player will be great. Some players simply don't test well but that doesn't mean they don't get it done on the field. 

 

I'm done.

 

 

 

He's not an "average" NFL athlete. You have nothing to substantiate that. 

 

Your right.... I am referring to players in NCAA 1A not DIII schools. Mosley was an OKAY college athlete. Show me ONE reason why he was more than average. ONE..... Just one stat where was better than most LBs... ONE!!!!! PLEASE!!!!

 

BTW....

 

Luck Kuechly

Patrick Willis

Ray Lewis

 

All had average college football stats right, and average metrics...... Oh and Shazier who is ELITE in EVERY measurable and had elite production in college AT EVERY LEVEL...

 

Oh and there is a BLUEPRINT for GREAT linebackers... to say there is not is naive.... Name one who had average metrics and average college production who ended up being ELITE... JUST ONE...

 

Again you cannot.....Its cool Ed_Reed20... this is the internet. Everyone is entitled to there opinion.....

[ravensfan520]

I do want to say that one reason why I'm not too, too keen on the Ravens selecting C.J. Mosley is that this franchise has drafted a lot of linebackers early in recent years: Sergio Kindle (Ugh!), Courtney Upshaw (Meh...) and Arthur Brown (Still to be determined.).

Basically, I just hope this team struck big with Mosley. Prove me wrong, C.J.!

those picks were olb... except for Brown who was still has potential but playing in mlb for the Ravens is harder coming from a less complex d like kstate had.

[Purple Punishment]

People just want a free safety, period! I mean, Darian Stewart as this team's free safety; really? While I wasn't sold on either Clinton-Dix or Pryor, it's quite scary to know that someone like Jimmie Ward or Terrence Brooks is a MUST draft player for Baltimore, now, or we're stuck with a Rams castoff as our free safety for 2014...

Really?Are we? Because trades don't happen? Were there only 4 top notch safeties in this draft and the rest are just a giant drop off that cannot compete?

[Bltravens]

Your right.... I am referring to players in NCAA 1A not DIII schools. Mosley was an OKAY college athlete. Show me ONE reason why he was more than average. ONE..... Just one stat where was better than most LBs... ONE!!!!! PLEASE!!!!

 

BTW....

 

Luck Kuechly

Patrick Willis

Ray Lewis

 

All had average college football stats right, and average metrics...... Oh and Shazier who is ELITE in EVERY measurable and had elite production in college AT EVERY LEVEL...

 

Oh and there is a BLUEPRINT for GREAT linebackers... to say there is not is naive.... Name one who had average metrics and average college production who ended up being ELITE... JUST ONE...

 

Again you cannot.....Its cool Ed_Reed20... this is the internet. Everyone is entitled to there opinion.....

Shazier is 6'1 235 at OLB.  If that's an elite measurable then half the guys on this board have an elite measurable.  Besides, half the time Ohio St had to scheme him open on the rush because of his small size.  He's going to be rather useless against the run in a traditional alignment.

[kennygee90]

Every blog, site and scouting report that I read about CJ Mosley suggests that he's a tremendous instinctive player...Here are some player comparisons that 5 executives were asked and answered regarding CJ Mosley

1st Exec- Mosley is a better version of a young Jon Beason. He's a little better against both the run and the pass."

2nd Exec- "His instincts and playmaking ability remind me of Derrick Brooks."

3rd Exec- "If I had to choose one guy, I'd say Bowman. However, I also see a lot of similar traits that I saw in Thomas Davis and Sean Weatherspoon when they were coming out of college."

[ravensfan520]

Well there goes buccanon... ibwas hoping he fell into round 2.

[kennygee90]

4th Exec- "He's a younger, more athletic version of D'Qwell Jackson. He's an active, instinctive linebacker with good toughness. He's not a great take-on guy."

5th Exec- "He reminds me a lot of Kuechly. They are both athletic in coverage and they rely more on instincts than pure strength to make plays against the run."

Some good comparisons in my mind..Im hoping he's a future pro-bowler and leader of our defense

[NUM4TIC]

Your right.... I am referring to players in NCAA 1A not DIII schools. Mosley was an OKAY college athlete. Show me ONE reason why he was more than average. ONE..... Just one stat where was better than most LBs... ONE!!!!! PLEASE!!!!

 

BTW....

 

Luck Kuechly

Patrick Willis

Ray Lewis

 

All had average college football stats right, and average metrics...... Oh and Shazier who is ELITE in EVERY measurable and had elite production in college AT EVERY LEVEL...

 

Oh and there is a BLUEPRINT for GREAT linebackers... to say there is not is naive.... Name one who had average metrics and average college production who ended up being ELITE... JUST ONE...

 

Again you cannot.....Its cool Ed_Reed20... this is the internet. Everyone is entitled to there opinion.....

You're also entitled to have a wrong opinion....

[SecretAgentMan]

Off goes Lee

[SolarFuel]

Shazier is 6'1 235 at OLB.  If that's an elite measurable then half the guys on this board have an elite measurable. 

 LOL CJ is 6'2 234 at ILB........

 

Shazier ran a 4.37 not a 4.68...

Shazier put up 25 reps not 15....

Shazier has a 42" verticle not 35"

Shazier has a 6.91 three cone not 7.30

 

Shazier led the Big-10 in tackles with 144, 3rd best in all the NCAA for 2013, and 11th all-time in the Big-10 for his career.

 

In 2012, Shazier was in the Big-10 top-10 for "passes defended" (12). That's a category normally reserved for top CBs, but Shazier jumped up in there...while he also led the Big-10 in TFLs and was 3rd in total tackles. Shazier is 'off the charts' as a performer.

[SolarFuel]

I HOPE I AM WRONG.... I do... but metrics and performance usually do not lie....

[Bltravens]

 LOL CJ is 6'2 234 at ILB........

 

Shazier ran a 4.37 not a 4.68...

Shazier put up 25 reps not 15....

Shazier has a 42" verticle not 35"

Shazier has a 6.91 three cone not 7.30

 

Shazier led the Big-10 in tackles with 144, 3rd best in all the NCAA for 2013, and 11th all-time in the Big-10 for his career.

 

In 2012, Shazier was in the Big-10 top-10 for "passes defended" (12). That's a category normally reserved for top CBs, but Shazier jumped up in there...while he also led the Big-10 in TFLs and was 3rd in total tackles. Shazier is 'off the charts' as a performer.

 

 

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Two ENTIRELY different positions.  If a guy with those measurables is playing ILB he's at the wrong position.  Besides, Shazier will have to gain weight to play the position which will impact his speed considering his size.  Shazier plays the position essentially in the same vein as Antwan Barnes, just with an even better burst.  Both guys get and will get swallowed in the run game and both rely completely on speed to get to the passer.  Will Shazier be a good football player? Yes.  But you're coming at us like he's going to be a 15+ sack guy. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

At worst Jordan Matthews for 2nd round for ravens!

[SolarFuel]

At worst Jordan Matthews for 2nd round for ravens!

Jordan Matthers in the 2nd would turn this draft around for sure! I hope he slips to us!!!!

[SolarFuel]

Two ENTIRELY different positions.  If a guy with those measurables is playing ILB he's at the wrong position.  Besides, Shazier will have to gain weight to play the position which will impact his speed considering his size.  Shazier plays the position essentially in the same vein as Antwan Barnes, just with an even better burst.  Both guys get and will get swallowed in the run game and both rely completely on speed to get to the passer.  Will Shazier be a good football player? Yes.  But you're coming at us like he's going to be a 15+ sack guy. 

 

 

So explain to me how a smaller (weight) and weaker player in CJ mosley will not get swallowed up as a Inside Linebacker....

[ravensfan520]

Jordan Matthers in the 2nd would turn this draft around for sure! I hope he slips to us!!!!

or latimer... or even ward... I think ward will be a good safety.

[ravefan52]

I feel like we play more 4-3 with Mosely. Try get the best 11 players on the field right?

[JohnnyBoy8102]

There goes Ward.

[SolarFuel]

latimer, Matthews, or robinson in the 2nd please

[Bltravens]

So explain to me how a smaller (weight) and weaker player in CJ mosley will not get swallowed up as a Inside Linebacker....

Smaller weight by 2 pounds?  I didn't say he won't get swallowed but the difference, again, is positionally.  Shazier is required to hold the edge.  Shazier get's swallowed up and the whole edge is gone and the HB has an easy gain,  Mosley gets swallowed up and its in the middle of the field, theres still 3 or 4 other guys there to make the play.  Shazier has to hold that edge or the defense is screwed unless the safety makes an incredible play.

This is the same reason we let Kruger go and why he was never a full time starter.  He couldn't hold the edge.

[ravensfan520]

So explain to me how a smaller (weight) and weaker player in CJ mosley will not get swallowed up as a Inside Linebacker....

I was wondering... why are you arguing that we add another olb when we have doom sizzle hamilton simon bynes and will probably draft a guy in the 6 or 7th... and not an inside lb who is considered the best in the draft when we have only 2 three if you count bynes...

[tolucaraven]

Mosely can add size, Shazier cant. Mosely has a higher football IQ. Steelers lack DL bigtime and Shazier cant get off blocks.