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This is not a team rankings. Just my take on some of the best of / worst of the process.

 

 

Best Win - Win Trade - The Cowboys were strapped for cash. They probably needed to move Romo to field a good roster and getting Dalton and Sanu in return eases the pain there. Romo with a good defense definately has a chance to win a championship.

 

Dallas Gets: Andy Dalton (1 star); 2nd Round Pick (24th overall) (1 star) Mohamed Sanu (.5 Stars)
Cincinnati Gets: Tony Romo (13.5 Stars), 5th Rounder (.5 stars).

Biggest Steal in a Trade - Pouncey is young and an all pro center. Much better player thus far than his brother. Maybe Miami was more concerned here due to the off field incindents with Pouncy. His involvment seems to be pretty overblown however. The rich get richer in Seattle.

 

Dolphins trade: C Mike Pouncey
Seahawks trade: 4th(101), 4th(128), OG J.R. Sweezy

Most One Sided Trade - It's one thing to move on from some older players with high cap numbers but Jimmy had neither. The Ravens recieved somedecent draft picks in return, but they definately lost this trade.

 

Ravens give Jimmy Smith and picks 118 and 178 (Ravens save 1.5 stars. Broncos add 1.5 stars
Broncos give picks 31 and 63

Most Questionable trade - The Raiders gave up a very athletic up and coming young linebacker in Sio Moore for Woodley earlier in free agency. Presumably wanting to build a veteran defense that would be more of an immediate contender. Then we have this abrupt change mid stream to move Woodley for Britt who has been nothing but a major disapointment on and off the field and a mid round draft pick.

 

Cinci Receives: Lamar Woodley (8 Stars)

Oakland Receives: Kenny Britt (3 stars), 4th Rounder(.5 Stars)

Smartest Cut - Without the ability for a restructure, there was no way the Steelers could put together a viable team without this cut...

 

Steelers sadly cut

Troy Polamalu, S (8.5 stars)

Most Questionable Cut - The Chargers cut a very productive player, who is young and played well for them last year and is a good fit for their offense. Recieved minimal cap relief in return. Late in the proccess.

 

Chargers cut

Danny Woodhead--2.00 Stars

Most Shocking Cut - No way anyone saw this one coming...

 

The Minnesota Vikings cut:

John Carlson, 2.0 Stars saved

 

 

Draft and overall team categories to come...

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Most Shocking Cut - No way anyone saw this one coming...

 

The Minnesota Vikings cut:

John Carlson, 2.0 Stars saved

 

T3h isn't going to be happy

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I maintain that it wasn't trading Jimmy Smith that was so stupid, it was wasting the picks he got back in return on another foolish trade.  You use those picks on a Bradley Roby or some other such player, it's not an issue.

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Yeah even though it wasn't me, the Cowboys had to make that trade to get under the cap. Sanu is a good WR as well and could be my guy in the slot

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Appreciate the love on the Pouncey trade. I'd give a slight edge to Darren Sproles over Woodhead in the cut department though. Leon Hall is up there with Marques Colston.

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I traded Pouncey because I wanted to completely clear the locker room of that incident and distractions in general. I wanted to create a new culture and had no way to really find out what the rest of the team thinks about him, so I just made the educated decision to trade him. Also he's a bit overhyped and many think his brother is the better of the 2. Still a good trade for the Seahawks though.

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The essence of the trade is understandable. But Mike isn't anywhere near overhyped. In fact, I'd argue that he's commonly underrated, as his name is rarely thrown around. He's the better of the two, in my eyes, regardless of what the mainstream media claims at times. Maurkice doesn't anchor as well, and is pushed around easier.

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The essence of the trade is understandable. But Mike isn't anywhere near overhyped. In fact, I'd argue that he's commonly underrated, as his name is rarely thrown around. He's the better of the two, in my eyes, regardless of what the mainstream media claims at times. Maurkice doesn't anchor as well, and is pushed around easier.

 

To be fair, Roethlisberger and the system in place for much of his career really screw the OL over.

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2014 FORUM MOCK DRAFT AWARDS

 

THE DRAFT

ROUND 1:

 

BIGGEST STEAL: Marqise Lee #20 to Baltimore. Lee is not that big of a drop off talent wise from Watkins as many are proclaiming. Best value pick of the first round.

BIGGEST REACH: CJ Mosley #6 to Atlanta. Mosley sure is talented but #6 overall is way too rich for this position and what this player can offer.

ROUND 2:

 

BIGGEST STEAL: Morgan Moses, #53 to Green Bay. The more I watch and find out even about his high character and humble attitude, the more I like Moses as a prospect. I believe he could rival some of the first round tackles and would rather have him than Lewan. Particularly in Pass protection.

BIGGEST REACH: Kony Ealy #39 to Jacksonville. I know many will consider him a steal in the second, but I just don't see anything really special about him. I would rank him last in the group of second round pass rushers all of which were drafted after him.

ROUND 3:

 

BIGGEST STEAL: Zach Mettenberger #95 to Cleveland. I believe he will be the second best QB in this class after Bridgewater. A steal this late in the draft.

BIGGEST REACH: Lache Seastrunk # 80 to Chicago. I am personally not that high on him. He makes some splash plays yes, but he is very boom or bust. Not too far off of a Chris Johnson. Also not an all around back as far as receiving so I think he is a reach this early not being the all around back.

ROUND 4:

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BIGGEST STEAL: Devin Street #128 to NY Giants I didn't want to necessarily put any of my own moves on here, but I am really happy with this one in particular. I believe Street is vastly underrated by most. He is every bit as good as many wide outs who have been drafted prior.

BIGGEST REACH: Michael Sam #117 to NY Jets. I don't see Sam as much of an explosive difference maker at the linebacker position. More of a late round special teams/reserve type of prospect in my opinion.

ROUND 5:

 

BIGGEST STEAL: Terrance Mitchell #150 to Jacksonville. Mitchell is a player with a ton of potential to be a very good defensive back, either at corner or possibly free safety. This is the type of prospect you like to see in round 5, in my opinion.

BIGGEST REACH: Lamin Barrow #159 to Dallas. I don't see much special about this player or much upside to be honest. Nothing special as far as extraordinary physical tools to project a high ceiling. Reach is definately a relative term when you get to round 5 but tried to put someone in this spot.

ROUND 6:

 

BIGGEST STEAL: Chris Watt #181 to Seattle. Could be considered a poor man's Zack Martin. Very smart technically sound player. could be a real steal here in the late rounds.

BIGGEST REACH: Really can't call anyone else a reach from here on... just trying to get the best guys before free agency.

ROUND 7:

 

BIGGEST STEAL: Jay Bromley, #Comp27 to Dallas. The potential for interior pass rush in the last round of the draft is unheard of. I believe Bromley will go much earlier. Nice bargain here.

UDFA:

 

BIGGEST STEAL: Bene Benwikre, Signed by Baltimore. I found out about this player late in the proccess and what I saw, while he needs plenty of refinement, he has some good tools to be successful. This is a player who could easily be drafted.

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I maintain that it wasn't trading Jimmy Smith that was so stupid, it was wasting the picks he got back in return on another foolish trade.  You use those picks on a Bradley Roby or some other such player, it's not an issue.

 

 

You're right... but the whole thing was kind of a comedy of errors.

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To be fair, Roethlisberger and the system in place for much of his career really screw the OL over.

 

That's fair. And he's not a bad player. I just don't consider him deserving of the three Pro Bowl nods.

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Thank you for the shout out on Chris Watt. I like Street, but the biggest steal in Round 4 was Cody Latimer.

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That's fair. And he's not a bad player. I just don't consider him deserving of the three Pro Bowl nods.

 

No arguments with that, but he's a quality starter.  At that point, it all comes down to the money.

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2014 FORUM MOCK DRAFT AWARDS

TEAM AWARDS

BEST PASSING GAME: Green Bay Packers - Should improve pass protection with Moses at LT and added Cooper and Latimer to the receivers puts them over the Broncos who have downgraded at the O line.

WORST PASSING GAME: Houston Texans - QB Case Keenum and TJ Yates are the worst tandem in the process, the Cowboys Johnny football a close runner up here.

BEST RUNNING GAME: Minnesota Vikings - have the best running back in the game and only improved the depth of their O-line. Plus added Pierre Thomas.

WORST RUNNING GAME: San Diego Chargers - James Starks and Joseph Randle are two power runners who are both very limited and not much game breaking or receiving ability at all.

BEST OFFENSIVE LINE: Seattle Seahawks - Clady/Pouncey/Unger/Asamoah/Davis

WORST OFFENSIVE LINE: Arizona Cardinals - Relying on only Chris Faulk who went undrafted as a rookie and missed the entire year with a knee injury as the only LT. As well as Cooper who missed all of last year with a knee injury at LG, could be a recipe for disaster.

BEST DEFENSIVE LINE: Cincinnati Bengals - Had alot of competition for this award, but taking a really good D-line anchored by Atkins changing out Trent Cole for Michael Johnson was enough.

WORST DEFENSIVE LINE: Dallas Cowboys - Pretty much unproven on the whole. Part of a team in rebuild mode here. I question this units ability to create much pressure.

BEST LINEBACKERS: San Francisco 49ers - While there are some other groups who were good, this group is proven together, and I see no reason for them to take a step back.

WORST LINEBACKERS: Indianapolis Colts - If Mathis begins to tail off this unit lacks any real impact players at all.

BEST SECONDARY: Philadelphia Eagles - Very tough choice with the Seahawks defending champions, but the improvement at saftey with Weddle and Nelson, along with Davis and Shields to go along with Boykin, the group is just really formidable.

WORST SECONDARY: NY Jets - A second year player in Milliner along with rookies McGill and Boston is way too much inexperience at a position that has a long learning curve.

MOST IMPROVED UNIT Seattle Seahawks offensive line. Went from a slight weakness to very formidable. Adding two of the best at their position in LT Ryan Clady and C Mike Pouncey.

MOST IMPROVED TEAM: Jacksonville Jaguars. I think there's no doubt this rebuild project was done very well. The Jags have gone from the cellar to contenders for now and the future. Nice job.

 

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I'd gloat, but it's hard to not have the best running game when you start with AP.

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2014 FORUM MOCK DRAFT AWARDS

TEAM AWARDS

BEST PASSING GAME: Green Bay Packers - Should improve pass protection with Moses at LT and added Cooper and Latimer to the receivers puts them over the Broncos who have downgraded at the O line.

WORST PASSING GAME: Houston Texans - QB Case Keenum and TJ Yates are the worst tandem in the process, the Cowboys Johnny football a close runner up here.

BEST RUNNING GAME: Minnesota Vikings - have the best running back in the game and only improved the depth of their O-line. Plus added Pierre Thomas.

WORST RUNNING GAME: San Diego Chargers - James Starks and Joseph Randle are two power runners who are both very limited and not much game breaking or receiving ability at all.

BEST OFFENSIVE LINE: Seattle Seahawks - Clady/Pouncey/Unger/Asamoah/Davis

WORST OFFENSIVE LINE: Arizona Cardinals - Relying on only Chris Faulk who went undrafted as a rookie and missed the entire year with a knee injury as the only LT. As well as Cooper who missed all of last year with a knee injury at LG, could be a recipe for disaster.

BEST DEFENSIVE LINE: Cincinnati Bengals - Had alot of competition for this award, but taking a really good D-line anchored by Atkins changing out Trent Cole for Michael Johnson was enough.

WORST DEFENSIVE LINE: Dallas Cowboys - Pretty much unproven on the whole. Part of a team in rebuild mode here. I question this units ability to create much pressure.

BEST LINEBACKERS: San Francisco 49ers - While there are some other groups who were good, this group is proven together, and I see no reason for them to take a step back.

WORST LINEBACKERS: Indianapolis Colts - If Mathis begins to tail off this unit lacks any real impact players at all.

BEST SECONDARY: Philadelphia Eagles - Very tough choice with the Seahawks defending champions, but the improvement at saftey with Weddle and Nelson, along with Davis and Shields to go along with Boykin, the group is just really formidable.

WORST SECONDARY: NY Jets - A second year player in Milliner along with rookies McGill and Boston is way too much inexperience at a position that has a long learning curve.

MOST IMPROVED UNIT Seattle Seahawks offensive line. Went from a slight weakness to very formidable. Adding two of the best at their position in LT Ryan Clady and C Mike Pouncey.

MOST IMPROVED TEAM: Jacksonville Jaguars. I think there's no doubt this rebuild project was done very well. The Jags have gone from the cellar to contenders for now and the future. Nice job.

 

 

Thanks for the shout out on the secondary. It's astounding how bad my group was to begin with: Nate Allen, Pat Chung, Bradley Fletcher and Cary Williams. Boykin was the only worthwhile guy. My #1 goal was to improve the secondary and I'm glad you think I did so.

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Bias aside, I'd still give my team in nod in the secondary department. I have arguably the best Safety duo in the league, or at least tied with Kansas City's duo of Devin McCourty and Eric Berry. I also own one of the best CBs in football, and Byron Maxwell is my weakest link, who was stellar in his first year starting. The only significant loss from the SuperBowl roster is Walter Thurmond III, whose loss is pacified by the addition of Jabari Greer. Not to mention my depth at Safety. The advantage I will easily concede to Philadelphia, however, is the Nickel CB. Brandon Boykin was the best slot CB in football in 2013.

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Bias aside, I'd still give my team in nod in the secondary department. I have arguably the best Safety duo in the league, or at least tied with Kansas City's duo of Devin McCourty and Eric Berry. I also own one of the best CBs in football, and Byron Maxwell is my weakest link, who was stellar in his first year starting. The only significant loss from the SuperBowl roster is Walter Thurmond III, whose loss is pacified by the addition of Jabari Greer. Not to mention my depth at Safety. The advantage I will easily concede to Philadelphia, however, is the Nickel CB. Brandon Boykin was the best slot CB in football in 2013.

 

Sherman is better than anyone I have but Vontae Davis isn't that far off. PFF rated him #3 last year. Shields is definitely better than Maxwell. Greer is good but as you said, not on Boykins level. You do have me beat at safety, but my group is still fantastic. Nelson is criminally underrated and Weddle is one of the best. I'd say this is too close to call.

 

I'd also like to make a case for Philly having the top OL. Peters and Mathis were arguably the best players at their position last year and Kelce may have been the top C as well (if not he was easily top 5). Lane Johnson was very good as a rookie and should only get better. Todd Herremans is one of the more consistent guards out there and is a very versatile player. This is another area that may be too close to call. I find it interesting that you started with a strong secondary and weak OL and I started with the opposite, yet we ended up as the top 2 teams in both of those categories.

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Sherman is better than anyone I have but Vontae Davis isn't that far off. PFF rated him #3 last year. Shields is definitely better than Maxwell. Greer is good but as you said, not on Boykins level. You do have me beat at safety, but my group is still fantastic. Nelson is criminally underrated and Weddle is one of the best. I'd say this is too close to call.

 

I'd also like to make a case for Philly having the top OL. Peters and Mathis were arguably the best players at their position last year and Kelce may have been the top C as well (if not he was easily top 5). Lane Johnson was very good as a rookie and should only get better. Todd Herremans is one of the more consistent guards out there and is a very versatile player. This is another area that may be too close to call. I find it interesting that you started with a strong secondary and weak OL and I started with the opposite, yet we ended up as the top 2 teams in both of those categories.

 

PFF has Vontae Davis 9th in their final rankings. Still an outstanding CB, and one that I'm fond of. But I disagree regarding Shields. He had a major drop off from his 2012 campaign, finishing 52nd with a +.4, finishing just ahead of Jabari Greer. Both Jeremy Lane and Brandon Ghee graded out significantly higher than that. Byron Maxwell, on the other hand, was 12th, just ahead of Brandon Boykin. Your Safety group is an underrated one, for sure.

 

The combination of Peters, Mathis and Kelce was a nightmare for opposing defenses. Mathis was the highest graded OG, while Peters and Kelce were 4th at their position. The right side didn't fare as well, however, with both Johnson and Herremans struggling mightily in pass protection. I will note that Max Unger took a nose dive as a run blocker from the season before. I mean a heave. Though he was a Top 3 Center the year before, and finally has two terrific OGs on the his left and right. Can't disagree with it being a close call there. Your road grading unit is the best in football. That's a very good point, and I'm glad that we both identified our weaknesses and addressed them.

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lmao, the cards deserve every bit of that worst offensive line vote

 

I would consider moving Saffold to the left side. Despite the struggles there in 2011, he was very good on the left in 2012, and finished the 2013 season with his sole start at LT. He had a good performance against Seattle.

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2014 FORUM MOCK DRAFT AWARDS

TEAM AWARDS

BEST PASSING GAME: Green Bay Packers - Should improve pass protection with Moses at LT and added Cooper and Latimer to the receivers puts them over the Broncos who have downgraded at the O line.

WORST PASSING GAME: Houston Texans - QB Case Keenum and TJ Yates are the worst tandem in the process, the Cowboys Johnny football a close runner up here.

BEST RUNNING GAME: Minnesota Vikings - have the best running back in the game and only improved the depth of their O-line. Plus added Pierre Thomas.

WORST RUNNING GAME: San Diego Chargers - James Starks and Joseph Randle are two power runners who are both very limited and not much game breaking or receiving ability at all.

BEST OFFENSIVE LINE: Seattle Seahawks - Clady/Pouncey/Unger/Asamoah/Davis

WORST OFFENSIVE LINE: Arizona Cardinals - Relying on only Chris Faulk who went undrafted as a rookie and missed the entire year with a knee injury as the only LT. As well as Cooper who missed all of last year with a knee injury at LG, could be a recipe for disaster.

BEST DEFENSIVE LINE: Cincinnati Bengals - Had alot of competition for this award, but taking a really good D-line anchored by Atkins changing out Trent Cole for Michael Johnson was enough.

WORST DEFENSIVE LINE: Dallas Cowboys - Pretty much unproven on the whole. Part of a team in rebuild mode here. I question this units ability to create much pressure.

BEST LINEBACKERS: San Francisco 49ers - While there are some other groups who were good, this group is proven together, and I see no reason for them to take a step back.

WORST LINEBACKERS: Indianapolis Colts - If Mathis begins to tail off this unit lacks any real impact players at all.

BEST SECONDARY: Philadelphia Eagles - Very tough choice with the Seahawks defending champions, but the improvement at saftey with Weddle and Nelson, along with Davis and Shields to go along with Boykin, the group is just really formidable.

WORST SECONDARY: NY Jets - A second year player in Milliner along with rookies McGill and Boston is way too much inexperience at a position that has a long learning curve.

MOST IMPROVED UNIT Seattle Seahawks offensive line. Went from a slight weakness to very formidable. Adding two of the best at their position in LT Ryan Clady and C Mike Pouncey.

MOST IMPROVED TEAM: Jacksonville Jaguars. I think there's no doubt this rebuild project was done very well. The Jags have gone from the cellar to contenders for now and the future. Nice job.

 

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I got a reach and a steal lol but I guess that is what happens with all of my picks. My guys are young amd unproven on D-line so I understand the rank but I have a lot more talent there than I had to start.

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2014 FORUM MOCK DRAFT AWARDS

 

BIGGEST REACH: Kony Ealy #39 to Jacksonville. I know many will consider him a steal in the second, but I just don't see anything really special about him. I would rank him last in the group of second round pass rushers all of which were drafted after him.

 

ROUND 5:

 

BIGGEST STEAL: Terrance Mitchell #150 to Jacksonville. Mitchell is a player with a ton of potential to be a very good defensive back, either at  and what I saw, while he needs plenty of refinement, he has some good tools to be successful. This is a player who could easily be drafted.

 

As you said, there are people who consider Ealy a steal there and I'm one of them.  I know I'm not going to be able to change your opinion so I'll just leave it as saying I think I got a steal.

 

As everyone say in my prospect rankings, I'm really high on Mitchell as I have him as my #10 CB.  I was elated to see him fall to here.

 

MOST IMPROVED TEAM: Jacksonville Jaguars. I think there's no doubt this rebuild project was done very well. The Jags have gone from the cellar to contenders for now and the future. Nice job. 

 

Thanks.  I will say that is was hard to make them any worse than they already were.

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As you said, there are people who consider Ealy a steal there and I'm one of them.  I know I'm not going to be able to change your opinion so I'll just leave it as saying I think I got a steal.

 

 

I'm with you. I consider Ealy a top 20 talent.

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I'm with you. I consider Ealy a top 20 talent.

 

I think his ranking is dependent on how you view certain positions.  He's a Michael Bennett type of player, he's a 4-3 end in your base defense who's pass rushing skills translate better to the interior, so he'll get kicked inside on those downs.  That might be a knock to some people.

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